Jetstar Hiring.... Cadets?!?!
there is NO future in GA if you want to actually own a house and make a living
We are already seeing GA salaries approaching and in some cases exceeding J* FO salaries. Not that J* should be considered a yardstick, but it might be indicative of things to come.
If I was the CEO of a aeromedical outfit or specialist 24/7 GA mob, I'd be concerned. Supply and demand...
Are you f$@king sh!tt!ng me? No wonder this "profession" is screwed! 
Flame me all you want, there is no way Jetstar (or any other business) would do something like this unless they were to recieve significant financial gain from it.
Over to you, Virgin and Tiger.
Flame me all you want, there is no way Jetstar (or any other business) would do something like this unless they were to recieve significant financial gain from it.
Over to you, Virgin and Tiger.
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Guarantees
Just as atminimums said, if you do this cadetship, how do you know that you won't graduate and not be given a job. I mean for Cathay, it is highly likely as they have invested the money into you and are of course looking for a return on investment.
Jetstar looses nothing if they can't slot you into an FO position. They just make some additional revenue from that intake and some very unhappy cadets.
If there is an abundance of people applying for a JQ cadetship, will JQ be likely to hold back and only accept what they need or will they accept more in order to generate more profit, leaving those who just miss out ~$85k out of pocket?
Jetstar looses nothing if they can't slot you into an FO position. They just make some additional revenue from that intake and some very unhappy cadets.
If there is an abundance of people applying for a JQ cadetship, will JQ be likely to hold back and only accept what they need or will they accept more in order to generate more profit, leaving those who just miss out ~$85k out of pocket?
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Am I guaranteed a job?
These new programs with Jetstar provide a fantastic opportunity to enter the airline profession and whilst Jetstar is committed to providing a career opportunity to as many applicants as possible the numbers are quite naturally limited. At the outset of the program it must be remembered that no cadet training program guarantees a job, since the individual trainee has to achieve the competency requirements of both CTC and Jetstar during the training. However, subject to that and there being no change to Jetstar’s recruitment plans, you will be offered a job with the airline on successful completion of the program.
These new programs with Jetstar provide a fantastic opportunity to enter the airline profession and whilst Jetstar is committed to providing a career opportunity to as many applicants as possible the numbers are quite naturally limited. At the outset of the program it must be remembered that no cadet training program guarantees a job, since the individual trainee has to achieve the competency requirements of both CTC and Jetstar during the training. However, subject to that and there being no change to Jetstar’s recruitment plans, you will be offered a job with the airline on successful completion of the program.
However, subject to that and there being no change to Jetstar’s recruitment plans, you will be offered a job with the airline on successful completion of the program.
Subject to.....no change to....will be offered.....
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I've answered my own question.
"Successful completion of the course leads to employment as an A320 First Officer with Jetstar. (pending Jetstar vacancies within Jetstar)"
Advanced Cadet Programme (ACP)
In other words, if the airline grows there'll be slots, if there is a second slump in the global economy, you could be in trouble.
NO GUARANTEE
"Successful completion of the course leads to employment as an A320 First Officer with Jetstar. (pending Jetstar vacancies within Jetstar)"
Advanced Cadet Programme (ACP)
In other words, if the airline grows there'll be slots, if there is a second slump in the global economy, you could be in trouble.
NO GUARANTEE
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“We anticipate up to 20,000 applications for this attractive new program which seeks to remove some of the traditional barriers to becoming an airline pilot, demonstrating the high demand to enter this highly skilled and sought-after profession,” Jetstar Chief Executive Officer Bruce Buchanan said.
Aviation Business: Jetstar launches cadet pilot training program
Aviation Business: Jetstar launches cadet pilot training program
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This is the way of the world, I came through a similar scheme over in the UK many years ago and it was also not guaranteed to have a position at the end of it all. I was luck as were 99% of the other 'cadets', the few who were delayed were the first to be taken on when times turned good. This was due to the fact that once hired the airline could pay us significantly less than taking a Direct Entry FO. This scheme will not fufill all of J*'s pilot recruitment requirement, around 140 pilots are needed in the next year or so and they are planning on authorising 70 cadets who at the earliest won't be available until the end of 2011. For those who can afford this scheme it is a great leg up on the career ladder, the potential to be flying the A320 in your late teens or early 20's means that even completing the 6 year bond will leave you very experienced and a young age which is perfect to move on to the likes of Cathay / Emirates / Ethiad if that is what rings your bell. When you look at it objectively those who spend years in the GA scene probably spend the same amount of money on training, years in the wilderness etc.... If you think the scheme suits you go for it, it you object to it, don't. Lets not forget that ALL non-typerated recruits into Easyjet have to complete the TRSS (type rating sponsorship scheme) regardless of any previous experience.
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Love this bit..
Up to 70 pilots were expected to come through the first year of the program, to begin in July and increase in future years.
The airline anticipated about 20,000 applications.
The airline anticipated about 20,000 applications.
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The ad-initio cost is $87105 plus GST of $8710 giving a cost of $95815.
ACP cost $84895 giving a total training cost of $180710 plus $500 application fees.
Now Jetstar pay $21000 of the ACP and you pay the rest of $63895. Over 6 years this is $10649 a year out of your wage.
A junior FO wage in 2010 is $55454, less repayment to Jetstar of $10649 giving a take home wage of $44805 a year less tax. In 2011 wage goes up to $57118 so you will take home $46469. This puts you below the poverty line to fly an A320(Darwin base), try and get a loan at the bank or a car loan.
No wonder Jetstar had 6 cent fares today, paid for by its pilots.
ACP cost $84895 giving a total training cost of $180710 plus $500 application fees.
Now Jetstar pay $21000 of the ACP and you pay the rest of $63895. Over 6 years this is $10649 a year out of your wage.
A junior FO wage in 2010 is $55454, less repayment to Jetstar of $10649 giving a take home wage of $44805 a year less tax. In 2011 wage goes up to $57118 so you will take home $46469. This puts you below the poverty line to fly an A320(Darwin base), try and get a loan at the bank or a car loan.
No wonder Jetstar had 6 cent fares today, paid for by its pilots.
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The airline anticipated about 20,000 applications.
55% will not have read & met the minimum requirements. (Aust or NZ citizen)
25% will not pass an online psychometric or skills test
15% will realise they can't afford it or won't leave their current job for it.
2% will fail the interview
2% won't pass the training
Net result 200 or so
Seeing this makes me sick. I actually feel like hurling!!!
I applied to jetstar so that when they asked me to go for an interview, I could tell them to stick it (which i did). The current pay is horrible and I won't fly for an airline like jetstar as a result.
This goes doubly for this cadet program. I would give up flying all together if this was my only option. Christ, the qf scheme is ****e because you have to pay for all of it, but atleast it's cheaper and you earn a higher salary once you are in then jet star.
I am currently in ga and would do it again with no hesitations. I would never prostitute myself with this cadet program jetstar is offering.
Wanabe pilots out there wake up!
I applied to jetstar so that when they asked me to go for an interview, I could tell them to stick it (which i did). The current pay is horrible and I won't fly for an airline like jetstar as a result.
This goes doubly for this cadet program. I would give up flying all together if this was my only option. Christ, the qf scheme is ****e because you have to pay for all of it, but atleast it's cheaper and you earn a higher salary once you are in then jet star.
I am currently in ga and would do it again with no hesitations. I would never prostitute myself with this cadet program jetstar is offering.
Wanabe pilots out there wake up!
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there is NO future in GA if you want to actually own a house and make a living
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As AH says it's been happening in Europe for years - it's here to stay I think.
After the turmoil of 2007 pilot recruiting boom all airlines will want to have a bit more control on the entry and exit of their workforce, and what better way to do it than with an extensive training/selection process at the start, and a six year bond to follow through.
There will always need to be a "direct" entry route since the lead time for cadets is so long, but I can see cadets making a decent percentage of annual pilot intake numbers.
The ACP isn't much more than the endorsement cost anyway - and would make it an easy career jump from GA Baron to A320, bypassing the regional airlines on the way...
After the turmoil of 2007 pilot recruiting boom all airlines will want to have a bit more control on the entry and exit of their workforce, and what better way to do it than with an extensive training/selection process at the start, and a six year bond to follow through.
There will always need to be a "direct" entry route since the lead time for cadets is so long, but I can see cadets making a decent percentage of annual pilot intake numbers.
The ACP isn't much more than the endorsement cost anyway - and would make it an easy career jump from GA Baron to A320, bypassing the regional airlines on the way...
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I spent over $100k on training, ratings, endorsements, renewals, travel etc etc in my 7 years of GA flying before leaving the industry to go back to my trade and earn a reasonable living. If I was starting out all over again I would jump at this.
Before you all flog me.... $100k on training plus 7 years earning at least $20 - $50k p/a less than friends qualified in other trades and professions cost me at least somewhere between:
$100k + (7x $20k) = $240k or $100k + (7x $50k) = $450k
Newbies will be far better off (over a 10+ year projection) to drop $180k from the outset via HECS and loans, earn a far better wage than GA, use Jetstar as a training ground for 5000hrs of jet time then p!ss off to a better job overseas.... That is if better jobs o/s exist in a few years?
Even those that stay at Jetstar will be earning far better wages than most Australians.
What really seems unfair and a kick in the teeth is that this program ruins the chances for all the hundreds of pilots out there flogging it hard in GA.
Before you all flog me.... $100k on training plus 7 years earning at least $20 - $50k p/a less than friends qualified in other trades and professions cost me at least somewhere between:
$100k + (7x $20k) = $240k or $100k + (7x $50k) = $450k
Newbies will be far better off (over a 10+ year projection) to drop $180k from the outset via HECS and loans, earn a far better wage than GA, use Jetstar as a training ground for 5000hrs of jet time then p!ss off to a better job overseas.... That is if better jobs o/s exist in a few years?
Even those that stay at Jetstar will be earning far better wages than most Australians.
What really seems unfair and a kick in the teeth is that this program ruins the chances for all the hundreds of pilots out there flogging it hard in GA.