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Old 28th Jul 2009, 10:54
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QF Staff Travel. FA jump seat use

Recent developments suggest a move to the above-mentioned policy whereby operating crew are able to have their travel companion occupy a FA jump seat on full aircraft for staff travel purposes.

It seems to me that this new policy is at odds with another of QF's recent initiatives whereby it proposes to sell exit row seats at a premium for the extra space/legroom they provide.

How are people [frequent flyers?] who've bought an exit row seat going to react when they find that, after boarding in Singapore, they are going to have to sit and watch someone gorge themselves on lobster and caviar and glasses of French whilst having their space, privacy and legroom severely limited?

Has anyone in "management" considered the trip hazard created by having a pulled down jump-seat outside the doors 3 toilets [where people stand and congregate] in a pitch black cabin?

Have any of these issues been considered?

I doubt it.

Also.

Does it project a professional image of the company, or otherwise..........?

What would/does CASA think?
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Old 28th Jul 2009, 12:10
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as I understand it the use of the seat is for T/O & landing only -
the staff (crew) companion would use crew rest seats at other times except when crew are using them. - believe it mainly came from the 380 where the crew rest seats are rated at 9g not the 16g required for T/O & landing (which in itself is a triumph for those who did the scope document)

....................would not want to be in the jump seat for the whole sector - been a while, but last time I sat in one I didn't see any IFE, leg rest or tray table and the recline was uncomfortable.....(sounds a bit like a downgrade eh!!!)
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Airtags,

Oh, OK.

So if I have it right it's only in place for the A380 where the FA crew rest seats are only approved for use in cruise?

If so apologies for the rant and wasted bandwidth.........
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incorrect airtags... started as an A380 issue but now all A/C except 737 and its for Tech crew families only apparently
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For 'aircrew'...cant see why that wouldnt include CC
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It is for aircrew ie tech and cabin, but its purpose is to avail the Capt (for traveling beneficiaries) a seat in lieu of the now unavailable flight deck seat(s).




"The Captain may authorise the allocation........"
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Old 28th Jul 2009, 14:42
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well that is not my understanding but i dont think they should be used by anyone. including Tech or cabin crew families. Those seats are for operational crew only and flight attendants spend all there time getting passengers off them on night sectors as it is.

Tech crew families have access to 1st class and business class and economy and Cabin Crew families have access to business class and economy class.

I do not think that operational seats should ever be used by passengers. As for only being used for landing and take off....thats tosh

they will be there for the whole flight and in the way of the crew and the passengers at the exit row seats.

Cant imagine that a passenger who has paid extra for an exit row seat would be happy being crunched up with a staff passenger encroaching on the space they have paid extra for....

Another loopy idea by the lunatics that run Qantas.... No doubt CASA and the travel writers in the media will have a view about it i am sure
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Old 28th Jul 2009, 20:36
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Originally Posted by Pegasus747
I do not think that operational seats should ever be used by passengers.
Having seen numerous occasions where much heartache was avoided by allowing a family member on a jumpseat (back in the days before faceless bureaucrats intervened and decided my wife was too much of a terror threat), good luck with getting everyone to agree to that principle!
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I have not heard of cabin "jump seats" being offered.... but crew rest seats for sure... on the provision that no crew member objects to it use by staff trying to get out of a busy port.
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Firstly, the FSO states that the CAPTAIN may authorise the use of the assist jumpseat for AIRCREW and their travel beneficiaries i.e. Tech and Cabin. It does NOT state that it is tech crew only.

Secondly, the FSO does not mention anywhere that this is for takeoff and landing only. One would assume that after takeoff the crew rest seats could be used but this may not be an option. If not, then it's the jumpseat the entire way.

Thirdly, this applies to 380,744,330,767

BA use this same policy regarding jumpseats. A friend of mine did LHR to BKK in a 744 cabin crew jumpseat late last year.

READ THE FSO BEFORE POSTING ON PPRuNe!!!!

Tech crew families have access to 1st class and business class and economy and Cabin Crew families have access to business class and economy class.

I do not think that operational seats should ever be used by passengers. As for only being used for landing and take off....thats tosh
Captains get First Class upgrades, everyone else its business only

And finally, when it's really tight and you have to get home are you not going to ask for the flight deck jumseat then????
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Old 28th Jul 2009, 21:40
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peg, you don't reckon anyone should ever occupy assist cc seats. What about the average punter who for years has been sitting 2 feet behind us in the flight deck!

That is not exactly the best situation ever. Shooting an approach in poor weather with some 'neville' talking to you all the way down!

It's called helping out your fellow staff. Just another comment from a lhcc member and their superior attitude. How bout helping out your fellow Qantas employees/beneficiaries instead of always thinking about yourself. You're only in the seat next to them for 5 or 10 minutes. We've got them for 14 hours in some cases!

hadagutfull, have a look at CSO's or FSO's depending on who you are!

tempo, peg would be the first to ask for the jumpseat and impose on you! But to have anyone impose on him. Perish the thought!
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Just another comment from a lhcc member and their superior attitude.
Now coming from funbags thats the pot calling the kettle black....
Then Funbags tells us about our attitude to staff and this is how he describes them...
with some 'neville' talking to you all the way down!
Funbgas...you really should read your own posts if you want to see a condescending attitude....

Has funbags or any other skygod ever considered that the jump seat is there for the safety of cabin crew?

How do you think it feels to be walking through a cabin especially on a night sector and suddenly get caught out with some turbulence that the techies did not think would be as bad...

Then when you get to a jumpseat find it is taken by a staff pax.....

This is a safety issue funbags not some ego driven problem you have...
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How are people [frequent flyers?] who've bought an exit row seat going to react when they find that, after boarding in Singapore, they are going to have to sit and watch someone gorge themselves on lobster and caviar and glasses of French whilst having their space, privacy and legroom severely limited?
Ha ha - getting a bit excited "ditch handle"!!!! Fat chance of seeing any of that stuff. More like left over crew sambos if anything at all.

OK - keep the sensationalist winging and complaining going ..... Downunder zone would not be the same without it.
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lobey, safety issue hey. Much more of a safety issue having someone in a cc assist jumpseat than someone in the flightdeck yapping away! We've been doing it for years trying to help out staff travelling, but enter into the cc domain and it's stay away! We're not gonna help getting staff on! It's a safety issue. Yeah much more important than staffies in the flightdeck, you might get interrupted reading your Woman's Day magazine!

I bet you were the first to ask for a jump seat when you were working, and you would of been so polite! Please Mr Captain, can I please have the jump seat Mr Captain! Thankyou Mr Captain!

Back to the lawn bowls and slippers mate!
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This is a safety issue funbags not some ego driven problem you have...
Read the thread again funbags....this is about the use of CC jump seats for staff travel....

This is about safety for Cabin Crew .....not your warped ego ranting about the flight deck once again...remember the world of aviation does not start and finish with the flight deck....

The tech crew are sitting up there with their seat belts on but we are walking around in an aluminium tube at nearly 600 mph with no seat belts....

If we need to put one on because of turbulence I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for the cabin crew jump seats to be available....

It's not the fault of cabin crew that the authorities have stopped the use of the seats on the flight deck...in any case that fixes your problem of someone sitting behind you doesn't it......that is if you really are tech crew,which I doubt.
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lobey, you've only been gone a little while, and yet you still know nothing.

The authorities haven't stopped the use of jumpseats on the flight deck. Just limited it to those travelling to/from work. So Einstein, it doesn't fix the problem, as you put it, of someone sitting behind us. Besides if it helps someone get to/from work, then great. Perish the thought that cc could help a fellow staff traveller, very selfish as usual. Hey lobey, it might be the travel beneficiary of a fellow cc person that's on the jumpseat! But you wouldn't even want to help one of your own, let alone, the wife of a techie. Thank goodness you've left. Times have changed since the DC4 days!

Apology excepted by the way! You're wrong again. BTW, I won't be responding to any of your posts again. You've left, you're a non entity now, and you're always wrong!

What it does do is give the authority back to the Captain as to the use of jumpseats. Despite what cc think, it is the Captains entire aeroplane, not just the bit at the front. And before any of you want to argue this point, read the CAR's. Yeah, they're the really important things (legal things) that govern aviation, not the galley gossip that make cc think that the cabin is theirs! Because it's not! I could also mention the chain of command which puts the tech crew higher up the chain than the cc, I know hard to believe that the Captain is higher up than the CSM or the CSS!
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They'll probably just over-sell by a few more..
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Yes, it does appear to be an ill conceived reaction to having staff travel access to the rear flight deck seats removed.

With it seems, little or no thought given to the practicalities, commercial considerations, and/or safety concerns of cabin jump seat use.

Typical Qantas really

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I think it is a good thing.
The seats are a means to giving people travelling with crew somewhere to sit to get on the aircraft.
There is nothing to say that after takeoff they couldn't be relocated to an assist jump seat at a door that is away from pax legroom, eg L2 on a 744.
Perhaps they could even be relocated to the aft tech crew rest if it is not being used during flight, the high comfort seat at R2, or even the CSM workstation.
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Funbags, small dick, big watch ?
What a delightful crew member you must be to be around. Probably delight in calling female cabin crew "Tech Crew Moles" as well.

Here's a free tip. Your misery is probably the reason you spend a lot of time alone in slip ports. Lighten up, enjoy the job for what it's worth, and broaden your horizons from your limited network. You never know what you might learn, and the friendships you might make.

Then again, it may be too late for you. If that is the case then please leave as YOU are the problem with Qantas Long Haul cabin crew.
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