Pig flu and an economic crisis...
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I said u need to take it within 8 hours before now the facts says within a 48 hours window, so how is that killing patients? You actually have a better start by taking it within 8 hours even though u have another 40 hours to suffer before taking Relenza.
Whether I hate Telstra or Qantas or Coles or K mart had no relevance here.
If you ask around, you'd find most people hate Commonwealth bank also.
so why is Qantas suddenly so precious? when so many other companies are also hated.
Whether I hate Telstra or Qantas or Coles or K mart had no relevance here.
If you ask around, you'd find most people hate Commonwealth bank also.
so why is Qantas suddenly so precious? when so many other companies are also hated.
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Its not an academic journal
Amelia, we are going to have to disagree.
However, last time I looked PPRuNE, posts were not required to meet the gold standard for academic peer review journals.
Any reasonable person using the links I provided would, with two mouse clicks been able to test the veracity of statements contained within those articles with a link to the authoritative source - the very same ones you mention.
Given the nature of the other links posted on this topic from mainstream media, I would consider the wikipedia article to of a far higher standard.
You are correct, if I was making a board submission to a business or a writing an article for peer review, I would not reference wikipedia directly, however, I may well reference the same authoritative sources wikipedia does.
However, last time I looked PPRuNE, posts were not required to meet the gold standard for academic peer review journals.
Any reasonable person using the links I provided would, with two mouse clicks been able to test the veracity of statements contained within those articles with a link to the authoritative source - the very same ones you mention.
Given the nature of the other links posted on this topic from mainstream media, I would consider the wikipedia article to of a far higher standard.
You are correct, if I was making a board submission to a business or a writing an article for peer review, I would not reference wikipedia directly, however, I may well reference the same authoritative sources wikipedia does.
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the thing to remember about this Swine flu is that it cannot be contained, it can only be managed to a certain degree. Then it's sit and watch, you can only do so much but you cannot contain it.
We can't contain outbreak, scientists warn | The Australian
There is no denying this new development on top of GFC will definitely hurt Airlines, toursim and hospitality, this is facts. but is is boom time for pharmaceutical companies again that is facts. You may defend you employer (despite majority front line staff being treated with no respect, some even with contempt by the same employer they defend) but you cannot change the course of this virus development and what business it will hit most: traveling and tourism.
Swine flu spreads economic shivers
We can't contain outbreak, scientists warn | The Australian
There is no denying this new development on top of GFC will definitely hurt Airlines, toursim and hospitality, this is facts. but is is boom time for pharmaceutical companies again that is facts. You may defend you employer (despite majority front line staff being treated with no respect, some even with contempt by the same employer they defend) but you cannot change the course of this virus development and what business it will hit most: traveling and tourism.
Swine flu spreads economic shivers
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It is wrong to state innaccurate facts regarding medicine, lesser informed people may get the wrong impression and may end up not getting the right treatment. Granted it probably will not kill many with this presentation, but as a medical professional you would be surprised how many people do die as a result of listening to incorrect "information"
There is a big difference between
and
upto 48 hours from initial symptoms.
And yes, your dislike of Qantas is relevant here. You have posted the same
on all the swine flu threads on pprune.
There is a big difference between
But it must be consumed within 8 hours of infection, not when symptoms appear.
upto 48 hours from initial symptoms.
And yes, your dislike of Qantas is relevant here. You have posted the same
on all the swine flu threads on pprune.
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It is wrong to state innaccurate facts regarding medicine, lesser informed people may get the wrong impression and may end up not getting the right treatment. Granted it probably will not kill many with this presentation, but as a medical professional you would be surprised how many people do die as a result of listening to incorrect "information"
And again, whether I hate James Hardie or Bonds or Qantas or lump them all in the same basket is really no one's business nor relevant in the discussion of Pig flu.
Lots of people hates John Howard and go on to live very normal lives, and John Howard himself too lead a very happy life. So likewise you can hate Qantas and still go on to have a normal productive life and Qantas will still not missed a thing.
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thankfully I have a choice , although the choices are limited in this anti competitive domestic flight environment. because I have a choice, I doubt we would ever meet up.
Small and narrow minded people who have the urge to put everyone in a box that fits can never ever go very far in life.
Small and narrow minded people who have the urge to put everyone in a box that fits can never ever go very far in life.
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Gentlemen...
I think it's obvious here that someone is showing immediate signs of contracting the deadly swine flu...
The first signs are an almost undeviating and monotonous dislike of a particular entity without any rational or at least apparent justification ...
The second sign is a consistent and an irritating inability to be able to post without correct grammar and spelling.....
The latin medical term for this swine flu is ....
Kangaroo looseium in topos paddocks horribilus
The only known medical treament is to ignore it and eventually it will disappear....
I think it's obvious here that someone is showing immediate signs of contracting the deadly swine flu...
The first signs are an almost undeviating and monotonous dislike of a particular entity without any rational or at least apparent justification ...
The second sign is a consistent and an irritating inability to be able to post without correct grammar and spelling.....
The latin medical term for this swine flu is ....
Kangaroo looseium in topos paddocks horribilus
The only known medical treament is to ignore it and eventually it will disappear....
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Thank you!
Oh thank you mods, this is music to my ears! Whilst all appreciate healthy debate (pardon the pun in the current topic), the postings(rantings) of said banned person made some previously banned topics look intelligent! Now back to the topic please!
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I have just finshed reading a book called Blood Lines by NZ author Michael Green. Basic storyline is that a pandemic strikes killing everyone in the world except the members of one particular family in NZ who, realising that they need to increase their gene pool, embark on a journey to England by yacht to search for any surviving relatives. Rather good read actually and if he was planning a sequel, now would be the time to cash in..... big time. 
Seriously though, given the media hype beginning to take place, how long before the travelling public start getting jittery and wanting face masks etc onboard, remember the fiasco during SARS trying to stock all aircraft with hundreds of them?
Seriously though, given the media hype beginning to take place, how long before the travelling public start getting jittery and wanting face masks etc onboard, remember the fiasco during SARS trying to stock all aircraft with hundreds of them?
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Iriver gone?!? Its a bit sad in a way as it was starting to be a bit of fun, trolling the troll.
Anyway, this is the last thing the airlines need and I lay the blame squarely at the feet of a slathering media. They just can't help themselves. Watch for the Vox Pops on the 6pm news tonight done to poor unaware passengers as they arrived in Sydney this morning.
Bunch of vultures who do far more harm than good! (the media, not the passengers....)
Anyway, this is the last thing the airlines need and I lay the blame squarely at the feet of a slathering media. They just can't help themselves. Watch for the Vox Pops on the 6pm news tonight done to poor unaware passengers as they arrived in Sydney this morning.
Bunch of vultures who do far more harm than good!
(the media, not the passengers....)
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Capt Kremin...
I could not agree more about the media....They do not care about the accuracy of their reporting only the sensationalism...
This is a generalisation but it seems as though there are few sincere journo's out there.
Not only are they responsible for feeding the panic merchants about the swine flu out break but the current economic mess as well...
How many people die on the roads around the world every day but if one person is killed in an aircraft accident it will be in the headlines for days...
I could not agree more about the media....They do not care about the accuracy of their reporting only the sensationalism...
This is a generalisation but it seems as though there are few sincere journo's out there.
Not only are they responsible for feeding the panic merchants about the swine flu out break but the current economic mess as well...
How many people die on the roads around the world every day but if one person is killed in an aircraft accident it will be in the headlines for days...
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I was speaking to one of my closest friends yesterday, who happens to be an infectious diseases physician (specialist doctor). I asked her about the fuss. She explained to me that there were no recorded cases of bird flu being transmitted from human-to-human, it was always bird-to-human. There are already confirmed cases in the U.S. of swine flu being transmitted human-to-human. That's the difference and why so much fuss is being made in the media.
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H2H2H? Been going on for years.
Hi SLF et al,
I tried to post a link to the thread I wanted you to see but it is too big for PPRuNe. Please go to the my page referred below and see the sub heading about Human to Human transmission.
I would also suggest chasing up some info from the worlds experts such as Drs Michael Osterholm, Robert Webster and Lance Jennings (both the latter are Kiwis btw). These chaps are amongst the worlds leaders and were quite prominent during the H5N1 alert in 2005 and are again at the forefront with this H1N1 event.
I have a page of info you may or may not find useful. A couple of links are broken as I wrote it in 2005 addressing H5N1 but it is all still quite relevant now. I posted the link earlier and put it here again as the thread (like most in PPRuNe) degenerated into garbage. I'll update the page should it become necessary but for now all the info there is quite relevant.
Some H5N1 info
This H1N1 epidemic may end up as the pandemic (certainly Dr Bob Webster thinks so) which is overdue. Let's wait and see but I strongly recommend everyone get the best info possible.
Cheers,
Brad
I tried to post a link to the thread I wanted you to see but it is too big for PPRuNe. Please go to the my page referred below and see the sub heading about Human to Human transmission.
I would also suggest chasing up some info from the worlds experts such as Drs Michael Osterholm, Robert Webster and Lance Jennings (both the latter are Kiwis btw). These chaps are amongst the worlds leaders and were quite prominent during the H5N1 alert in 2005 and are again at the forefront with this H1N1 event.
I have a page of info you may or may not find useful. A couple of links are broken as I wrote it in 2005 addressing H5N1 but it is all still quite relevant now. I posted the link earlier and put it here again as the thread (like most in PPRuNe) degenerated into garbage. I'll update the page should it become necessary but for now all the info there is quite relevant.
Some H5N1 info
This H1N1 epidemic may end up as the pandemic (certainly Dr Bob Webster thinks so) which is overdue. Let's wait and see but I strongly recommend everyone get the best info possible.
Cheers,
Brad
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30-50000 people suffer flu related deaths in a 1st world country ( the US ) every year !
100 odd people die in a 3rd world country and we are doomed ( by a disease that is treatable )
The " Financial Tsunami " is losing momentum in the press, so those bottom feeders need something else to start panic. Rather than exterminating pigs and birds, why not exterminate the press and solve 1/2 the worlds problems
Not saying it's a problem to be ignored, but sell your airline shares and buy pharmaceutical.
100 odd people die in a 3rd world country and we are doomed ( by a disease that is treatable )
The " Financial Tsunami " is losing momentum in the press, so those bottom feeders need something else to start panic. Rather than exterminating pigs and birds, why not exterminate the press and solve 1/2 the worlds problems
Not saying it's a problem to be ignored, but sell your airline shares and buy pharmaceutical.
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You can always CYA (cover your ass) by buying shares in Biota (code BTA) which manufactures Relenza.
Up 82% yesterday.
There's no guarantee you still won't die but at least you'll die rich.
Just remember to get out before it all becomes a non-event.
Up 82% yesterday.
There's no guarantee you still won't die but at least you'll die rich.
Just remember to get out before it all becomes a non-event.
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Aviation's secondary infection Apr 28
by Stephen Bartholomeusz
Aviation's secondary infection
Alan Joyce and Brett Godfrey are being given a refresher course, as if they needed one, in the reality of the airline industry. Murphy’s Law always applies.
In an industry already reeling and under acute pressure from the impacts of the global financial crisis and recession, the last thing the Qantas and Virgin Blue chief executives would have wanted to learn of was the outbreak of what could develop into pandemic influenza.
More particularly, with both carriers now bleeding from the sudden escalation in competition on what was once one of the most profitable of Qantas’ international routes, neither could afford fresh threats to traffic emanating from the Americas.
The two Australian carriers – Virgin through its fledgling V Australia brand – are embroiled in a four-way dog-fight with United Airlines and Delta Airlines on the transpacific route to the west coast of the US that once generated an estimated 15 per cent of the Qantas group’s profits.
The entry of V Australia and Delta to that route coincided with the steep downturn in passenger volumes and yields caused by the global crisis. Joyce recently conceded that Qantas would lose money on the route amidst deep discounting while Godfrey has said that he expects to lose more than V Australia’s start-up costs of $60 million in its first year of operation.
Delta, the world’s largest carrier, last week described its entry to the route and plans to increase capacity as a ‘disaster’ for Qantas. It alone will increase capacity on the route by 25 per cent. Fares are estimated to have fallen nearly 60 per cent in the past six months, with premium high-margin traffic – a segment dominated by Qantas – particularly hard hit.
Add the swine flu epidemic to the existing deteriorating economics of the route and it will be a disaster for all the carriers, not just Qantas. V Australia has already rescheduled planned deliveries of new aircraft in response to the altered circumstances on the route. The US carriers will be even harder hit, given the impact on their domestic networks and their Latin America traffic.
It is too early to draw any meaningful comparisons with the SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) outbreak in 2003, which devastated airline traffic, particularly in Asia, in 2003.
That crisis knocked more than one per cent off the GDP of Asian countries and at its worst reduced passenger volumes in the region by more than a third. It also produced Qantas’ first loss as a listed company, albeit only for a half year.
The SARS outbreak came just as airlines were recovering from the impact of September 11. This time the global financial crisis had driven passenger volumes down for the first time since 2003 and they were still falling.
If concerns about air travel continue to grow, the new threat could add to the existing severe pressures on the sector and force a broader and deeper restructuring of a flawed industry than might otherwise have been the case.
On the transpacific route, it might bring some rationality and a realisation that in the current global economic climate a four-cornered contest characterised by deep discounting and unsustainable load factors is suicidal. At least one and more likely two of the airlines will be forced from that route if the losses continue to mount.
Aviation's secondary infection
Alan Joyce and Brett Godfrey are being given a refresher course, as if they needed one, in the reality of the airline industry. Murphy’s Law always applies.
In an industry already reeling and under acute pressure from the impacts of the global financial crisis and recession, the last thing the Qantas and Virgin Blue chief executives would have wanted to learn of was the outbreak of what could develop into pandemic influenza.
More particularly, with both carriers now bleeding from the sudden escalation in competition on what was once one of the most profitable of Qantas’ international routes, neither could afford fresh threats to traffic emanating from the Americas.
The two Australian carriers – Virgin through its fledgling V Australia brand – are embroiled in a four-way dog-fight with United Airlines and Delta Airlines on the transpacific route to the west coast of the US that once generated an estimated 15 per cent of the Qantas group’s profits.
The entry of V Australia and Delta to that route coincided with the steep downturn in passenger volumes and yields caused by the global crisis. Joyce recently conceded that Qantas would lose money on the route amidst deep discounting while Godfrey has said that he expects to lose more than V Australia’s start-up costs of $60 million in its first year of operation.
Delta, the world’s largest carrier, last week described its entry to the route and plans to increase capacity as a ‘disaster’ for Qantas. It alone will increase capacity on the route by 25 per cent. Fares are estimated to have fallen nearly 60 per cent in the past six months, with premium high-margin traffic – a segment dominated by Qantas – particularly hard hit.
Add the swine flu epidemic to the existing deteriorating economics of the route and it will be a disaster for all the carriers, not just Qantas. V Australia has already rescheduled planned deliveries of new aircraft in response to the altered circumstances on the route. The US carriers will be even harder hit, given the impact on their domestic networks and their Latin America traffic.
It is too early to draw any meaningful comparisons with the SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) outbreak in 2003, which devastated airline traffic, particularly in Asia, in 2003.
That crisis knocked more than one per cent off the GDP of Asian countries and at its worst reduced passenger volumes in the region by more than a third. It also produced Qantas’ first loss as a listed company, albeit only for a half year.
The SARS outbreak came just as airlines were recovering from the impact of September 11. This time the global financial crisis had driven passenger volumes down for the first time since 2003 and they were still falling.
If concerns about air travel continue to grow, the new threat could add to the existing severe pressures on the sector and force a broader and deeper restructuring of a flawed industry than might otherwise have been the case.
On the transpacific route, it might bring some rationality and a realisation that in the current global economic climate a four-cornered contest characterised by deep discounting and unsustainable load factors is suicidal. At least one and more likely two of the airlines will be forced from that route if the losses continue to mount.