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ABC 1, Under the skin there are quite a few similarities between VB and AN. Comes with employing some of the ex AN employees. Some of those similarities are a little scary. Now, before you jump off the ledge at me, make sure you read my post earlier about my thoughts on the tosser who stated "his good authority told him". VB won't be going broke anytime soon. At least I hope not, cause then I'll be out of work. My point I guess is while VB isn't AN, in some respects, they could be "adopted brothers".
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No one I know from that background has left VB over the last 12 months. In fact only 1 person I know has moved out of VB in the last 12 months so where did these AN guys go? From what I have heard they have been moved on into your management.
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Certainly more than 1 person has left recently, whether they are or are not from AN I wouldn't know. I know one who has moved to management, but then, we've also employed experts from SAW into management. Wonder how that's going to go.......
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Pacific Blue (Australia) today applied to the IASC for a capacity allocation to Phuket, Thailand (probably from Perth or maybe Darwin 
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Requested 7x weekly capacity on 737-800.
7378FE
)Requested 7x weekly capacity on 737-800.
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I read somewhere that they had applied for onward rights from DPS, so I suspect the flights will be from there, feeding from the DPS flights that now operate (or will soon operate) from ADL/PER/BNE/MEL/SYD
Where's that written Wirgin?
If it's in the Cabin Crew EBA then the company may use that as an extra push factor towards the new proposed EBA.
I'm already finding it odd how pilots can operate many flights through Bali but the cabin crew with their shorter duty hours have to overnight there. Pac Blue NZ CC can fly as long as the pilots.
I would hate to see any (Aus) intl flights go to (NZ) for reasons of cabin crew duty.
If it's in the Cabin Crew EBA then the company may use that as an extra push factor towards the new proposed EBA.
I'm already finding it odd how pilots can operate many flights through Bali but the cabin crew with their shorter duty hours have to overnight there. Pac Blue NZ CC can fly as long as the pilots.
I would hate to see any (Aus) intl flights go to (NZ) for reasons of cabin crew duty.
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"Ansett can only serve an a example of how not to run a business. "
For 66 years.
Lets see where VB stands in 57 years and who owns the company before dancing too loudly on someone's grave.
For 66 years.
Lets see where VB stands in 57 years and who owns the company before dancing too loudly on someone's grave.
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Oh I disagree oicur, Ansett did well and became a very successful company until taken over by TNT and News, but then also did quite well for a while until TNT decided to spit the dummy and sold its half to Air NZ.
By this time News was in full flight sucking the marrow out of Ansett to expand its grand ideas, when Air NZ fully gained control it became a total disaster.
Ansett as a company could do nothing with its hands tied behind its back, except watch as it all fell apart around their ears, could have easily happened to Q if that evil deal that was orchestrated by "trickie dickie" had gone through.
By this time News was in full flight sucking the marrow out of Ansett to expand its grand ideas, when Air NZ fully gained control it became a total disaster.
Ansett as a company could do nothing with its hands tied behind its back, except watch as it all fell apart around their ears, could have easily happened to Q if that evil deal that was orchestrated by "trickie dickie" had gone through.
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" . . . thats why they were recruiting 2 weeks before folding."
Many airlines have folded during expansion phases including the hiring of new cockpit crew.
"They managed to go under in a 2 player market policy where they charged whatever they wanted . . . "
Really? You don't think the market had some influence over pricing policy. I suspect it did.
The airline industry in Australia is close to achieving stability following deregulation and the collapse of a major player. But its not yet there and it would be a very brave person that trumpets the success of VB at this stage.
Singaporeans have very long memories and are patient people. Lets wait and see.
Many airlines have folded during expansion phases including the hiring of new cockpit crew.
"They managed to go under in a 2 player market policy where they charged whatever they wanted . . . "
Really? You don't think the market had some influence over pricing policy. I suspect it did.
The airline industry in Australia is close to achieving stability following deregulation and the collapse of a major player. But its not yet there and it would be a very brave person that trumpets the success of VB at this stage.
Singaporeans have very long memories and are patient people. Lets wait and see.
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Just another example of threads that simply talk down another employer in the industry. As if there aren't enough threads around to bag whoever you want.
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apps lodged as per previous post by 7378FE
there are however apellant points of contention to say nothing of the blurring of PacBlue & VB which does not help the cause.... even the documentation is "corporate confusing." No doubt Dillip is being diligently lobbied by the reps for the Brissie blue bunker.
For Wirgin and Co these applications are actually a risk to CC - as the proposed (threatened?) new (little e) eba provides a non negotitiable pathway for PacBlue and other O.S. crew to be substituted at will for the DJ domestics currently on these kind of soirees. (then they will be doing returns)
There is also the danger of precident with at least two other non-Australian carriers (who as well as PacBlue ops under NZ AOC or are relying on the APEC barn door) lining up for a slice of the Aussie pax pie if the principal place of business provision gets the thumbs up.
CC and drivers all need to stay really tight and make sure the gig stays on Australian crew rosters.
AT
there are however apellant points of contention to say nothing of the blurring of PacBlue & VB which does not help the cause.... even the documentation is "corporate confusing." No doubt Dillip is being diligently lobbied by the reps for the Brissie blue bunker.
For Wirgin and Co these applications are actually a risk to CC - as the proposed (threatened?) new (little e) eba provides a non negotitiable pathway for PacBlue and other O.S. crew to be substituted at will for the DJ domestics currently on these kind of soirees. (then they will be doing returns)
There is also the danger of precident with at least two other non-Australian carriers (who as well as PacBlue ops under NZ AOC or are relying on the APEC barn door) lining up for a slice of the Aussie pax pie if the principal place of business provision gets the thumbs up.
CC and drivers all need to stay really tight and make sure the gig stays on Australian crew rosters.
AT
I could be wrong !!
Happy to be corrected, my timelines and facts could be a little out, but didn't VB start their WA ops about 18-24 months after the boom??
And now they're trying the Asian market after Jetstar and Tiger have showed that there could be a market for LCC?
Voz to LA was hardly a brainchild.
Are VB genuinely being creative or relying on the success of other airlines initiatives??
And now they're trying the Asian market after Jetstar and Tiger have showed that there could be a market for LCC?
Voz to LA was hardly a brainchild.
Are VB genuinely being creative or relying on the success of other airlines initiatives??