State of Virgin Blue

[coaldemon]

Then you would be surprised every April. Dependent on when Easter falls

[denabol]

I think the YTD column is the most important once the market gets get QF and DJ figs side by side.

Then we can have a real cruxification, if the YTD comparison to March are a guide.

[HotDog]

Doesn't matter what the YTD results are, you wont stop the doomsday sayers from trying to justify their learned opinions.

[Mr. Hat]

21 cents pretty good. Where is old mate that bouhgt em at 15 cents - thats a good buy.

[Ramboflyer 1]

I honestly believe Virgin will ride the storm and eventually expand in the future. the problems are at QF AND i THINK QF may get put in the hands of the receivers at some point.

The receivers will
run the
profitable sectors of
qf international on there terms,
liquidate mainline and sell
jetstar as a going concern to the higest bidder.

[Bo777]

Rambo

i THINK

... don't flatter yourself!

[VBPCGUY]

Thats why its now important ground crew get a fair EBA.

[Sand dune Sam]

Hugh Jarse...If you were able to survey the "experts" on pprune who ****can VB and VA you would almost certainly find that they either work for the opposition.. or they have failed an interview with VA or VB and find ****canning the company on pprune a worthwhile exercise in making themselves feel better....either way, they are dickheads and it's a shame that others in the pilot fraternity would be happy to see their mates endure hardship if for whatever reason they lost their job.....

[34R]

it's a shame that others in the pilot fraternity would be happy to see their mates endure hardship if for whatever reason they lost their job

SDS, I absolutely agree with you, however if QF were to fall over tomorrow there wouldn't be too many VB'ers extending that mateship to their QF bretheren.

I'm not quite sure why that is. If you are under the impression that the utter garbage posted on this forum is reflective of each companies pilots view of the other, well I can see why that would be so.

I have flown for both companies, and both are tremendous places to earn a living and have a lot of quality people among them. There is no point comparing them as they are so different. To me that doesn't make one better to work for than the other, that's purely a personal thing, and for me anyway was dependant on the stage of life that I found myself at when I had an opportunity to make a choice.
What makes one person work for one company and not the other, again not something that even needs to be judged, let alone justified.

If you are happy in your neck of the woods, for god's sake be happy with that and get on with your life. Don't spend your time bitter at another group because they have it better/different/worse than you. Concentrate on keeping your own house in order and ensure this profession is still something our kids can aspire to doing.

I have a lot of friends at VB so I'm happy they're riding the storm. They have a good product and it's a product of hard work and a positive attitude.

Of course I want QF to thrive as well. Not a popular stance around here, but after all it is where I work and I want to keep on working for a long time to come.

For those donkeys that want one/either/both of them to fail for no other reason than it's going to make you feel great about yourself, how you ever held down the position of human being, let alone professional pilot is beyond me.

[Mr. Hat]

The failing of either QF or VB will lead to a reduction in terms and conditions among the pilot workforce.

QF set the bar for overall package and VB set the bar for overall improvement in conditions. Lets hope both stay open.

In the news

Confidence vote for Virgin, but V's a worry

Date: 26/5/2009
Author: Steve Creedy
Source: The Australian --- Page: 19

The load factor across all of its carriers for the listed Virgin Blue in April2009 remained resilient at 76.3%, down only 0.9% in a tough market. The domesticAustralian operations were especially healthy, although experts noted that theoverseas division V Australia was continuing to struggle. Some analysts rate thestock a "sell" due to a lack of disclosure on yields. On 25 May 2009it closed $A0.01 higher at $A0.27

[im sparticus]

the last thing QF wants is for VB to go bust echoed by alan joyce himself at a QF roadshow. wonder if brett would say the same thing about QF??

VBers may love and be passionate about their company but others with no emotional attatchment to VB have every right to be sceptical and question its position when a VBA is down more than 90%.

[Capt Claret]

What makes one person work for one company and not the other,

I'd be surprised if any significant number of pilots are working for the outfit they want to work for. I'd imagine that for the vast majority of professional pilots, they're working for the company that offered them a job.

Some have been lucky enough to have multiple offers to choose from, and others have even been lucky enough to have been offered a job with the employer they believed was the best one.

[AN Flyer]

the last thing QF wants is for VB to go bust echoed by alan joyce himself at a QF roadshow. wonder if brett would say the same thing about QF??

im sparticus - I'd probably suggest neither party wants to particularly see the other go out of business. Some harsh lessons were learnt through the events of '01 on all sides, I recall long ago brett saying on a news clip that nobody took pleasure at the fact that 16,000 people lost their jobs when AN tanked. If QF actually did collapse tomorrow, despite DJ's tendency to have some tongue-in-cheek fun, I doubt there'd be champagne being cracked. I'd like to think both QF(JQ)/DJ - although fighting for market share and heck - let's not mince words - for ultimate survival through this downturn, respect the fact that there needs to be some competition in this country. That aint QF/JQ if DJ vanished, and visa-versa.

34R - Well said. Life is just too short.

[porch monkey]

34, yes, I would be upset if QF went tits up. Because I am, contrary to popular opinion, a human being. And I don't believe for a minute, that the negativity displayed by some here for VB reflects what the majority at QF or anywhere else for that matter really think. I have several friends at QF, and they love their job as much as I do, and certainly don't wish harm to VB or other competitors. As for what Brett might think, I can only leave that to your imagination, as I don't know. I would suspect however, he would think much the same as AJ.

Good point Clarrie. That holds true for me, however, given my situation at the time, I am grateful they gave me the opportunity for an interview and hence a job. Noone else seemed to want to.

[Quokka]

...and it's a shame that others in the pilot fraternity would be happy to see their mates endure hardship if for whatever reason they lost their job...

The values of Australian society... something all Australian's can be proud of...


"It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail." Gore Vidal (1925)

[KRUSTY 34]

I think you'll find that Gore Vidal was born in (1925) Quokka. Unless off course that's what you meant.

Another beauty is, "A narcissist is someone better looking than you are."

Lot's of jealosy out there!

[Quokka]

Indeed... yes. A poor attempt at referencing on my part. I do apologise.

Anyone see the news last night? Virgin Atlantic recording a substantial increase in profit for the twelve months to Feb... hedged fuel prices well, delayed airline expansion and increased revenue in the premium classes of travel... sounds like the Virgin Group are somewhat better at managing a business than British Airways and the QANTAS Group.

[Mr. Hat]

Share price on the way up last two days (qan also for that matter).

[Jed Clampett]

VA

Smart move when VA deferred their A380's

[Quokka]

Rumour here is that Emirates are not happy with the A380. Could be a very prudent decision by any airline not to purchase the A380, unless you'll be using it for high volume short haul... or the Hajj