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"Best of all, be a senior Captain on $250 000 with a defined benefit pension doing one or two nice trips per month and reserve the rest of the time, flying < 500 hours per year." British Airways have them, Ansett had them, sure you haven't got a few ?
Mate, I work there. I know that statement is crap. And yes those "old boilers" are on around $60,000.
And I believe the baggage handlers are cheaper than the Virgin ones now.
Maybe you should get your facts right before writing such crap.
Mate, I work there. I know that statement is crap. And yes those "old boilers" are on around $60,000.
And I believe the baggage handlers are cheaper than the Virgin ones now.
Maybe you should get your facts right before writing such crap.
Add in allowances, superannuation, hotel costs and the old boilers don't look quite so cheap.
In Singapore, baggage handler is one of the lowest paid jobs in the country and SIA aren't concerned about them going on strike.
Look at the competition on longhaul; Cathay, SIA, Emirates, Etihad and soon Qatar. Three of those are Skytrax 5* rated Airline Reviews, Airport Reviews, Flight Reviews, Seat Reviews and SKYTRAX Airline and Airport Star Ranking, all have lower labour costs due to the ability to employ from Asia and the Indian sub continent. Qatar Airways don't need to make a profit with all their reserves of natural gas, as long as its big and prestigious let the money burn.
Domestically who knows ? Virgin have problems of their own, Tiger not yet in the black but British Airways weren't too concerned about a small Irish Airline starting low cost flights. Ryanair - Book Cheap Flights to Europe - Cheap Flights from the UK
I remember seeing the head of the United Auto Workers saying that things at GM were so bad :"Even if we worked for nothing, it wouldn't help." Don't let things get to that stage.
A reduction in QANTAS pilots terms and conditions helps drive things down for the rest of us, and a large number of pilots on the job market at once doesn't help either. If things can keep going as they are, fine. If not please sort it out before it affects everyone else.
In Singapore, baggage handler is one of the lowest paid jobs in the country and SIA aren't concerned about them going on strike.
Look at the competition on longhaul; Cathay, SIA, Emirates, Etihad and soon Qatar. Three of those are Skytrax 5* rated Airline Reviews, Airport Reviews, Flight Reviews, Seat Reviews and SKYTRAX Airline and Airport Star Ranking, all have lower labour costs due to the ability to employ from Asia and the Indian sub continent. Qatar Airways don't need to make a profit with all their reserves of natural gas, as long as its big and prestigious let the money burn.
Domestically who knows ? Virgin have problems of their own, Tiger not yet in the black but British Airways weren't too concerned about a small Irish Airline starting low cost flights. Ryanair - Book Cheap Flights to Europe - Cheap Flights from the UK
I remember seeing the head of the United Auto Workers saying that things at GM were so bad :"Even if we worked for nothing, it wouldn't help." Don't let things get to that stage.
A reduction in QANTAS pilots terms and conditions helps drive things down for the rest of us, and a large number of pilots on the job market at once doesn't help either. If things can keep going as they are, fine. If not please sort it out before it affects everyone else.
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allowances for crew are the same, everyone has to eat.
can't figure out why worker bees, i.e pilots hosties baggage handlers engineers etc seem to be your target. what about the bloated pays for management, compare them with singers, cathay, thai et al and us bees are cheap, cheep cheep
can't figure out why worker bees, i.e pilots hosties baggage handlers engineers etc seem to be your target. what about the bloated pays for management, compare them with singers, cathay, thai et al and us bees are cheap, cheep cheep
indamiddle, some of the Asian carriers require their CC to share hotel rooms. That gives them a significant price advantage when coupled with the lower rates of pay.
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Thats a great cost saving measure that certainly needs to be given a go.
Therefore I suggest since the pilot salaries far outweigh those of cabin crew and savings can clearly be made in this area by room sharing you can trial this clever idea first for say 12 months and if it proves to be the cost saving initiative you say it is im sure cabin crew would be more than willing to give it a go (I can see a few legal disputes but hey its all about cost saving).
Therefore I suggest since the pilot salaries far outweigh those of cabin crew and savings can clearly be made in this area by room sharing you can trial this clever idea first for say 12 months and if it proves to be the cost saving initiative you say it is im sure cabin crew would be more than willing to give it a go (I can see a few legal disputes but hey its all about cost saving).
some of the Asian carriers require their CC to share hotel rooms
can't figure out why worker bees, i.e pilots hosties baggage handlers engineers etc seem to be your target. what about the bloated pays for management
I've seen union vs non union loaders from my freight days. Basically the union ones used twice the number of people, took twice as long and got paid twice as much.
On the domestic routes cabin crew cost differentials with the competition aren't as bad as international. A flight attendent in Australia expects a certain minimum even if working for a low cost. On the international routes the competition have far lower cost, non unionised staff.
If QF can be profitable against the competition in its present form, all well and good. If EK, EY, SQ, CX, QATAR etc are supplying a better product at a lower price something has to give.
I don't want to be paying a "QANTAS ticket tax" so the staff can be paid their entitlements.
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All im hearing out of you metro man is "Hi, i am a sc#b who doesnt want to pay for good service cause i don't earn enough flying planes for an unsafe LCC and sc#bbin on all good aussie pilots. Truth is im a crap pilot and couldn't make the cut at QF."
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Let's not forget that Qantas is at a distinct disadvantage from a taxation point of view. Most carriers can depreciate their equipment over three years but not Qantas. They have to wait ten. What about carriers that don't have to pay income tax such as EK or lesser amounts such as SQ compared to Australia? Gives some carriers a nice advantage doesn't it?
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When someone has an illogical obsession they often start to contradict themselves and Metro man is doing it now....
Care to comment metro man????
Once it was close to.....and now it's 2.5 times.....WTF
I get the feeling as well that this is someone in the office in Mascot.....wishing they had the cost structure that Asian airlines do but at the same time paying management the same as QF does....
Comparing QF to Asian airlines is like comparing apples and oranges....completely different cost of living,tax set ups,culture etc...
Perhaps Metro man is someone who had to move offshore to get an airline job after all...or just a job and is still peeved at those who have a job at Qantas....
AVERAGE What about the senior boilers, long past it, costing close to a first officer in pay and benefits.
I Australia an f/o would earn "about" 2.5 times what a flight attendent makes. Over here it's 5-6 times as much
Once it was close to.....and now it's 2.5 times.....WTF
I get the feeling as well that this is someone in the office in Mascot.....wishing they had the cost structure that Asian airlines do but at the same time paying management the same as QF does....
Comparing QF to Asian airlines is like comparing apples and oranges....completely different cost of living,tax set ups,culture etc...
I don't want to be paying a "QANTAS ticket tax" so the staff can be paid their entitlements.
And qantastrike, you ALWAYS buy Australian to support the good old Aussie worker even if the product is of higher price and lesser quality ? Nothing foreign made in your house.
Why not ban everyone except QF and BA from the kangeroo route. Both carriers could agree on a $3500 LHR/SYD economy return fare with no undercutting. Should be enough to maintain all the union agreements and payscales, on both sides. Ban foreign cars as well, make everyone buy Ford or Holden. No more clothing imports, get the textile industry back up again.
Exactly as Dropt McGutz says regarding tax and depreciation, though SQ do turn the fleet over at a relatively young age where as QF kept the 747 classics a bit too long.
All I doing is pointing out what you have to compete with. Look at the state of British Airways at the moment. Massive pension defecit and asking staff to work unpaid.
BTW. As an f/o I'm financially about the same as a Captain in J*/Virgin/Tiger Australia and can pay for the level of service I want. With the recent number of QANTAS incidents you're not really in a position to lecture on safety are you ?
Why not ban everyone except QF and BA from the kangeroo route. Both carriers could agree on a $3500 LHR/SYD economy return fare with no undercutting. Should be enough to maintain all the union agreements and payscales, on both sides. Ban foreign cars as well, make everyone buy Ford or Holden. No more clothing imports, get the textile industry back up again.
Exactly as Dropt McGutz says regarding tax and depreciation, though SQ do turn the fleet over at a relatively young age where as QF kept the 747 classics a bit too long.
All I doing is pointing out what you have to compete with. Look at the state of British Airways at the moment. Massive pension defecit and asking staff to work unpaid.
BTW. As an f/o I'm financially about the same as a Captain in J*/Virgin/Tiger Australia and can pay for the level of service I want. With the recent number of QANTAS incidents you're not really in a position to lecture on safety are you ?
Once it was close to.....and now it's 2.5 times.....WTF
2.5 times refers to low cost and is a rough estimate. If anyone has detailed pay scales and actual examples available and can show its really 2.1738 times or 2.8976 then I stand corrected.
Perhaps Metro man is someone who had to move offshore to get an airline job after all
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allowances for crew are the same
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7x7...
Can you tell us how much income tax the crew in Dubai pay?
Can you also tells us about the accommodation costs there as well as other perks which you get in the sandbox?
However,back to the issues about allowances...
I think you will find the quote in question referred to a comparison of allowances paid to crew from the same airline....not to a disparity in allowances between airlines.
Can you tell us how much income tax the crew in Dubai pay?
Can you also tells us about the accommodation costs there as well as other perks which you get in the sandbox?
However,back to the issues about allowances...
allowances for crew are the same
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7x7,
the following gives a fascinating insight into employee conditions in the part of the world you allude to-
The dark side of Dubai - Johann Hari, Commentators - The Independent
Worlds best practice, eh Geoff..........
the following gives a fascinating insight into employee conditions in the part of the world you allude to-
The dark side of Dubai - Johann Hari, Commentators - The Independent
Worlds best practice, eh Geoff..........
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I am sorry lower Lobe,
Metro man speaks the truth and it does seem to hurt. As an ex QF employee ( I was an engineer) my last flight internationally was three years ago J class with Qantas and it will be my last (and I live overseas).
Crap service by grumpy old boilers or ladyboys who look at you with disinterest. Why on earth would we want to fly SQ , on time with their beautiful attentive flight attendants rather then the feminist nazi brigade on the red rat.
Face it QF ( in flight service wise I still have respect for the tech staff) is unrecognisable for the great Airline it once was, it is crap!
Metro man speaks the truth and it does seem to hurt. As an ex QF employee ( I was an engineer) my last flight internationally was three years ago J class with Qantas and it will be my last (and I live overseas).
Crap service by grumpy old boilers or ladyboys who look at you with disinterest. Why on earth would we want to fly SQ , on time with their beautiful attentive flight attendants rather then the feminist nazi brigade on the red rat.
Face it QF ( in flight service wise I still have respect for the tech staff) is unrecognisable for the great Airline it once was, it is crap!
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Metro man With the recent number of QANTAS incidents you're not really in a position to lecture on safety are you ?
What Qantas safety incidents would that be Metro?
If I'm not mistaken the "incidents " you are refering to probably would have ended up as catastrophic accidents if it wasn't for the fact that the crews did what they were trained to do and did it well.
I hardly see that as a negative but rather as a glowing testimony to training pilots and cabin crew to standards above and beyond the bare minimum legal statutory requirements.
What Qantas safety incidents would that be Metro?
If I'm not mistaken the "incidents " you are refering to probably would have ended up as catastrophic accidents if it wasn't for the fact that the crews did what they were trained to do and did it well.
I hardly see that as a negative but rather as a glowing testimony to training pilots and cabin crew to standards above and beyond the bare minimum legal statutory requirements.
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Qantas CC Demographics
QF has approximately 4500 CC
78% of them are female
There are less than 500 over fifty five.There are less than 100 females over 55 who are flying and a number of these transferred from domestics.
The average age of a CC member is 37.
I see good looking young hosties every time I go to work.
Very rarely do I see an "old boiler"
Australia and QF are not ageist or intolerant of others sexual preference.
Seems we have a few homophobic misogynists posting here.
You know the type: overweight balding with bad teeth who couldnt get laid in a bordello
78% of them are female
There are less than 500 over fifty five.There are less than 100 females over 55 who are flying and a number of these transferred from domestics.
The average age of a CC member is 37.
I see good looking young hosties every time I go to work.
Very rarely do I see an "old boiler"
Australia and QF are not ageist or intolerant of others sexual preference.
Seems we have a few homophobic misogynists posting here.
You know the type: overweight balding with bad teeth who couldnt get laid in a bordello