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powersfasher... calm down. Read my last. By 'toe in the water' I was referring to the old 'lead-in line' we all use, "I heard a rumour...". And Indeed I did. Via a source I feel is worthy enough of the effort to put this out into Pprune-land and see what anyone else thinks.
I don't believe I have to make a case for my comment. I simply 'heard a rumour', and that's what I posted (and this is a 'rumour file' is it not?). My comment was not dressed up as anything else and neither was it presented as anything else.
Now I'm fully cognisant of the fact that if it ever turned out to be 'news', this would be shocking news for certain Ppruners, so I haven't made it mischieviously, or smugly, or with any malice aforethought. So don't shoot me! It's a bluddy RUMOUR....!!!! If it doesn't suit any of you to contemplate it, I might be able to understand... but I don't remember any Pprune rule to the effect that none of us may post a rumour if it might conceivably upset someone else.
An anutha thing... the reason I'm interested is because I'm contemplating a trip to Florida via L.A., and Premium Economy on the QF whale is about $4,400 as against VA's $2000. So don't want a 'Compass' to happen to me, OK?
I don't believe I have to make a case for my comment. I simply 'heard a rumour', and that's what I posted (and this is a 'rumour file' is it not?). My comment was not dressed up as anything else and neither was it presented as anything else.
Now I'm fully cognisant of the fact that if it ever turned out to be 'news', this would be shocking news for certain Ppruners, so I haven't made it mischieviously, or smugly, or with any malice aforethought. So don't shoot me! It's a bluddy RUMOUR....!!!! If it doesn't suit any of you to contemplate it, I might be able to understand... but I don't remember any Pprune rule to the effect that none of us may post a rumour if it might conceivably upset someone else.
An anutha thing... the reason I'm interested is because I'm contemplating a trip to Florida via L.A., and Premium Economy on the QF whale is about $4,400 as against VA's $2000. So don't want a 'Compass' to happen to me, OK?
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D&W,
when you make 24 posts over a period of at 8 years not many people will believe you when you say things like "I'm not in the commercial airline industry".
The assertion that Voz and/or VB are paying cash for "petrol" is quite plainly bunk and is very simliar to the false rumours that were positively identified as coming from a computer at a Qantas IP address. It is natural for readers of PPrune to assume that your post is of an equally malicious character and is also designed to cause commercial damage to the Virgin group.
In fairness to you, I have heard that a friend of a friend who is a captain at VB has accepted a postion at VA as a Senior FO. He/She does not have the command experience requirements to be a captain on the B777. This MAY be where your "demotion to FO" rumour came from. If this is the case, it is a HUGE twist on the facts and yields a conclusion utterly divorced from the true situation.
I think you have been flamed enough now.
PS. I aslo heard from someone in the know that the loadings SYD-LAX have been beyond expectations and are a reason for high optimism at VA.
when you make 24 posts over a period of at 8 years not many people will believe you when you say things like "I'm not in the commercial airline industry".
The assertion that Voz and/or VB are paying cash for "petrol" is quite plainly bunk and is very simliar to the false rumours that were positively identified as coming from a computer at a Qantas IP address. It is natural for readers of PPrune to assume that your post is of an equally malicious character and is also designed to cause commercial damage to the Virgin group.
In fairness to you, I have heard that a friend of a friend who is a captain at VB has accepted a postion at VA as a Senior FO. He/She does not have the command experience requirements to be a captain on the B777. This MAY be where your "demotion to FO" rumour came from. If this is the case, it is a HUGE twist on the facts and yields a conclusion utterly divorced from the true situation.
I think you have been flamed enough now.
PS. I aslo heard from someone in the know that the loadings SYD-LAX have been beyond expectations and are a reason for high optimism at VA.
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crew rest... thanks. No, truly, I'm not in your industry (sometimes around its periphery, perhaps). So this isn't a 'vicious rumour' in the sense of malicious. If it's not true then surely that's wonderful news for all (and especially me who is about to lay down some of my non-airline industry 'hard-earned' for a ride over the wide pissific). Happy to be able to sample the VOz triple 7 as only done the MH one a few times to KUL.
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Your unsubstantiated rumor has annoyed me slightly, why?
If I went to your primary work related forum (which is as you have said is not this one) and spread such rubbish around about the company you work for. Would you not be a little offended either?
So therefore, when you do travel premium economy I’m going to personally make sure you get up graded to Business class.
Give you the softest pillow and the warmest dooner, the hottest flight attendant to look after you, to dote on you hand and foot (might even make it a female one at that).
Give you all the extra movie channels (oh yes there are ones for the flight crew).
Arrange the best meal and the best seat which is by the way in 5A and block off 5B (if you are not flying that is).
I will bring personal updates straight from the cockpit of the latest weather via acars and updated arrival time every few hours just for you, all for free.
In fact YOU WILL be treated like a VVIP I will go out of my way to make it happen.
Just a rumor by the way, calm down if it does not happen.
And for next time, when people who would know tell you that your rumor is Legless perhaps you could believe them.
Your unsubstantiated rumor has annoyed me slightly, why?
If I went to your primary work related forum (which is as you have said is not this one) and spread such rubbish around about the company you work for. Would you not be a little offended either?
So therefore, when you do travel premium economy I’m going to personally make sure you get up graded to Business class.
Give you the softest pillow and the warmest dooner, the hottest flight attendant to look after you, to dote on you hand and foot (might even make it a female one at that).
Give you all the extra movie channels (oh yes there are ones for the flight crew).
Arrange the best meal and the best seat which is by the way in 5A and block off 5B (if you are not flying that is).
I will bring personal updates straight from the cockpit of the latest weather via acars and updated arrival time every few hours just for you, all for free.
In fact YOU WILL be treated like a VVIP I will go out of my way to make it happen.
Just a rumor by the way, calm down if it does not happen.
And for next time, when people who would know tell you that your rumor is Legless perhaps you could believe them.
have been refused petrol by Shell and BP in Australia unless they pay cash
For the last nine years, Virgin, being a Queensland company have been paying for their fuel with Bananas but Shell and BP are having trouble storing them so they are now asking for money.
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don't believe I have to make a case for my comment. I simply 'heard a rumour', and that's what I posted
So I guess people are a little sus when the same thing is brought up again.
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I have no comment to make on the viability of VB or otherwise but I would like to remind long time readers and introduce newer readers to these threads back in 2001. I am not making a comparison of AN's situation to VB's situation but I think the thread should stand.
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powers... thanks again. OK, I won't hold my breath for the upgrade, but I can dream about it, can't I? Couple of things, perhaps... (1) yes, given what you've stated, if I was in your shoes I'd probably be frightened if the comment was made purporting to be fact. Then I guess I'd make some enquiries 'within'. I posted a rumour, genuinely heard (and although from an aviation source, not first-hand I might add, hence the 'I've heard a rumour' bit), and threw it out there for comment. If it's rubbish, you can say so (and why), and I for one am thus informed. So although I didn't use the words, I suppose I could have completed my post with, "Anyone...?" But I think most (once satisfied that I'm not a malignant QF trojan) would view my posting as a query and not as a statement of fact to stir the pot, as it were. (2) Who said I didn't believe you? I want to believe you powers... I'm not hoping for the Virgins to fall over (can you imagine Qantas with the market back to themselves (OK, plus the Yanks...), heaven forbid!! No siree, I'm thrilled to bits to hear it's all 'rubbish'. I wish VOz all the very best. And I hope they're eventually allowed to fill what will then be the missing link (LAX - JFK). Can't wait to 'try you out'...
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Perhaps confusion is caused by VB "tankering" fuel. They then therefore don't "buy" any at regional ports.
TW - If you don't lock up threads like these you could potentially cause people to become scared of buying flights with VB and adding to the issue. If you do then you are accused of censorship.
Perhaps I could start a rumour that QF are paying for fuel with cash? Would you then lock that one or keep it going?
TW - If you don't lock up threads like these you could potentially cause people to become scared of buying flights with VB and adding to the issue. If you do then you are accused of censorship.
Perhaps I could start a rumour that QF are paying for fuel with cash? Would you then lock that one or keep it going?
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"Perhaps I could start a rumour that QF are paying for fuel with cash? Would you then lock that one or keep it going?"
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Jaysus, I'll say they're in trouble.
Sydney today, the bloody queue was out the door onto the sidewalk. All counters manned and they could barely cope with the amount of people trying to get on their aircraft.
Across the hall though at J*, you could casually walk up to the counter drop your bag and climb on your jet and go. Nobody there, nil, nada.
I tell you, if Virgin don't do something about all the bloody punters paying good money to get on their aircraft, instead of jetstar,they're gonna find themselves in all sorts of trouble. Pretty soon they'll be paying for their fuel in cash. Mostly because it will be easier than carrrying it all to the bank.
Sydney today, the bloody queue was out the door onto the sidewalk. All counters manned and they could barely cope with the amount of people trying to get on their aircraft.
Across the hall though at J*, you could casually walk up to the counter drop your bag and climb on your jet and go. Nobody there, nil, nada.
I tell you, if Virgin don't do something about all the bloody punters paying good money to get on their aircraft, instead of jetstar,they're gonna find themselves in all sorts of trouble. Pretty soon they'll be paying for their fuel in cash. Mostly because it will be easier than carrrying it all to the bank.
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When Virgin Blue took to the Australian skys in August 31,2000, the soothsayers gave it a lifespan of six months. Ah yes, just another Compass2, mark my words; it's not going to last! Would be interesting to read the archives of that period. I wonder how those well informed gentlemen feel about their predictions now?
When Virgin Blue took to the Australian skys in August 31,2000, the soothsayers gave it a lifespan of six months. Ah yes, just another Compass2, mark my words; it's not going to last!