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This thread is about moderators, not the origonal topic. I have to back RodH, if the thread is boring or irrelevant or last months news, it will die a natural death and doesn't need to be moderated. Everthing in moderation, even moderation.
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Having been banned by a moderator for upsetting one of his little playmates, I too agree that moderation in moderating should be implemented moderately.
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Just a couple of observations. We can all say what we like, however if the Moderator determines the comment is offensive, even if only to himself/herself, the moderator "owns" the ball and there is little we can do about it. WOD, I was not aware that the PM charters the 34 Sqn aircraft. I guess the cost comes out of the PM's travel budget, but to suggest that Mr Rudd personally charters the aircraft is gilding the lilly a bit I think.
At the risk of getting my post banned, I would not trust Mr Rudd and his clan to run a two hole toilet. It is easy to be popular when you spend taxpayers funds like a drunken sailor by handing it out to half the population as well as to non-residents, gaol inmates and to deceased estates to the tune of $96.6 Million. Fiscal conservative, NOT. Oh, and by the way Mr Moderator, what was the inference in "that it occurred in an aircraft, and a military aircraft at that" comment? Do you perceive military aircraft and their crew being somehow less worthy than civil operations?
At the risk of getting my post banned, I would not trust Mr Rudd and his clan to run a two hole toilet. It is easy to be popular when you spend taxpayers funds like a drunken sailor by handing it out to half the population as well as to non-residents, gaol inmates and to deceased estates to the tune of $96.6 Million. Fiscal conservative, NOT. Oh, and by the way Mr Moderator, what was the inference in "that it occurred in an aircraft, and a military aircraft at that" comment? Do you perceive military aircraft and their crew being somehow less worthy than civil operations?
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Old Fella - Sorry. I meant that he is like a charter customer, in that the flight is to suit his itinerary, and like a charter customer he will be asked what catering preferences he might have well before departure.
If he then has a rotten day at the office and the wrong meal turns up stuff happens.
If he then has a rotten day at the office and the wrong meal turns up stuff happens.
I didn't see the deleted thread so can't comment on what the Mods are alleged to have done. After all, they have a job to do whether we like it or not!
As for the PM and his purported tantie - the press need to put things into perspective and 'get real'. Here we have our PM at a meeting of the world's leaders to address the GFC and the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression and all the Australian media can do is bang on about something that happened on an RAAF VIP aircraft some months ago.
As to what actually happened, the RAAF also needs to get its act together. The PM is described as "Number 1 VIP". If the RAAF staff cannot provide the ordered/requested catering, they should hire staff who can. Not only that, they must have the discretion and tact to respect the privacy and mores of the VIP and his party. Can anyone imagine the wrong catering being loaded on and leaked "tell-tale" stories from Air Force One? Or from Qantas for that matter?
The thread was not deleted; it is inappropriate in this forum and now locked.
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As for the PM and his purported tantie - the press need to put things into perspective and 'get real'. Here we have our PM at a meeting of the world's leaders to address the GFC and the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression and all the Australian media can do is bang on about something that happened on an RAAF VIP aircraft some months ago.
As to what actually happened, the RAAF also needs to get its act together. The PM is described as "Number 1 VIP". If the RAAF staff cannot provide the ordered/requested catering, they should hire staff who can. Not only that, they must have the discretion and tact to respect the privacy and mores of the VIP and his party. Can anyone imagine the wrong catering being loaded on and leaked "tell-tale" stories from Air Force One? Or from Qantas for that matter?
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When will the dills out ther in Pprune land understand that Pprune IS NOT A DEMOCRATIC board. If you want one start your own. This has to be moderated or legal issues will arrise and those who post crap could end up being sued. Get over it and stop the political crap. Stick to AVIATION.
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Not at all. However this forum is........
There is a separate excellent PPRuNe Forum for military aviation.
Pole Vaulter. Could not have said it better myself!
Do you perceive military aircraft and their crew being somehow less worthy than civil operations?
D & G Reporting Points: Airline and RPT issues in Australia and enZed.
Pole Vaulter. Could not have said it better myself!
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Come on Tail Wheel, how come you have not given your advice regarding the Military Aircrew forum to the 23 posts which preceeded mine? You were the one who made a point of the incident happening on a military aircraft, so how about consistency?
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Political Messages Not OK.
Old Fella. Maybe it was because you made blatantly party political comments in your post. You are evidently a respected and experienced aviator and I am sure your views about aviaton issues are vaued by many, including myself. But please don't tell us about your political views. They are not relevant to this forum.
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I wrote to Moderators of all the Forums a few months ago regarding banner advertisements on this website, a cursory investigation of which illuminated several as patently obvious Ponzi schemes.
As my intent was to warn PPRuNers of this gross misrepresentation, I also started several threads on the most-viewed Forums. The result of all this was to see each thread deleted. Not one remained beyond a day.
PPRuNe Central utterly ignored the warning, so beware.
Of my missives to the Moderators and PPRuNe itself, I received but one very telling reply in the form of an email from a Mod who admitted that his 'daily' activity in the august post, pardon the pun, of Moderator was made easier by creating "multiple personalities under different handles to argue with" himself and others.
This Forum is not necessarily dying, but it is rotting.
Yet every time a contributor complains, life is breathed anew into this cancerous site, on a daily basis. How can this be so? The reason is simple: people want to know as much as they can, for free. But it won't last. Cancer never does.
Gone are the days of paid-for publications. Newsletter and newspaper editors know this well. Tis their common lament. As if to rub salt in the wound, it does not follow that with the growth of PPRuNe comes a useful source of reference.
Witness to this is the falseness thrown about by uninformed contributors on a thread about Emirates' take-off accident in Melbourne. Utter lies were mixed with ill-formed rumor from questionable contributors and obvious malcontents to the EK brand, turning the thread into a laughing stock and the very opposite of a verifiable source.
Combine this with the overbearing stance of Moderators, as highlighted by the title of this very thread, and the result, for me at least, is contempt.
Contempt for ill-tutored posters, contempt for the peurile name-calling between posters, contempt for the psychotic behaviour of a Moderator who admits to holding conversation with his multiple personalities/handles, contempt for the utter lack of humor and inability to see another's perspective, contempt for political correctness masquerading as sensitivity, and contempt for the stench of rank corruption in advertising.
In short, this is a site to mock, nothing more. This is not a site for serious professional pilots to discuss the serious issues of aviation, or ot share a light-hearted laugh at themselves, trade information of where to drink a cold beer in Brussels or eat hot pig in Frankfurt.
PPRuNe is a free site where Moderators work for free. Which is the whole point. The Mod, as he or she is at times fondly referred to, may be overbearing, but he is also overworked. The fault lies in the fact that not only are they unpaid, but that this site is free.
An age old maxim quite elegantly states that, "you get what you pay for".
As my intent was to warn PPRuNers of this gross misrepresentation, I also started several threads on the most-viewed Forums. The result of all this was to see each thread deleted. Not one remained beyond a day.
PPRuNe Central utterly ignored the warning, so beware.
Of my missives to the Moderators and PPRuNe itself, I received but one very telling reply in the form of an email from a Mod who admitted that his 'daily' activity in the august post, pardon the pun, of Moderator was made easier by creating "multiple personalities under different handles to argue with" himself and others.
This Forum is not necessarily dying, but it is rotting.
Yet every time a contributor complains, life is breathed anew into this cancerous site, on a daily basis. How can this be so? The reason is simple: people want to know as much as they can, for free. But it won't last. Cancer never does.
Gone are the days of paid-for publications. Newsletter and newspaper editors know this well. Tis their common lament. As if to rub salt in the wound, it does not follow that with the growth of PPRuNe comes a useful source of reference.
Witness to this is the falseness thrown about by uninformed contributors on a thread about Emirates' take-off accident in Melbourne. Utter lies were mixed with ill-formed rumor from questionable contributors and obvious malcontents to the EK brand, turning the thread into a laughing stock and the very opposite of a verifiable source.
Combine this with the overbearing stance of Moderators, as highlighted by the title of this very thread, and the result, for me at least, is contempt.
Contempt for ill-tutored posters, contempt for the peurile name-calling between posters, contempt for the psychotic behaviour of a Moderator who admits to holding conversation with his multiple personalities/handles, contempt for the utter lack of humor and inability to see another's perspective, contempt for political correctness masquerading as sensitivity, and contempt for the stench of rank corruption in advertising.
In short, this is a site to mock, nothing more. This is not a site for serious professional pilots to discuss the serious issues of aviation, or ot share a light-hearted laugh at themselves, trade information of where to drink a cold beer in Brussels or eat hot pig in Frankfurt.
PPRuNe is a free site where Moderators work for free. Which is the whole point. The Mod, as he or she is at times fondly referred to, may be overbearing, but he is also overworked. The fault lies in the fact that not only are they unpaid, but that this site is free.
An age old maxim quite elegantly states that, "you get what you pay for".
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I wrote to Moderators of all the Forums a few months ago regarding banner advertisements on this website, a cursory investigation of which illuminated several as patently obvious Ponzi schemes.
I have personally received no such missive from you.
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Originally Posted by 4PW's
I wrote to Moderators of all the Forums a few months ago regarding banner advertisements on this website, a cursory investigation of which illuminated several as patently obvious Ponzi schemes.
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Seeing as my fellow Mods raised it, I have never received either a PM or email from 4PW's either!
4PW's, on December 10 2008, you started new threads in at least four forums, all with identical posts. All except one were deleted due to our no multiple posting rules.
PPRuNe adverts are provided by Google ads and are contextual. As you write about the subject matter you are bound to get a related advert showing up.
Your threads appear to be in respect to a web site: www.australian wealth.com - which has now been blocked by PPRuNe (hence the split URL).
A PPRuNe Moderator reported the web site to ASIC who investigated and whilst they agree the web site is very vague, they can not see any matter which contravenes Australian law, nor had they received any other complaints.
That action was instigated by the Forum Moderators and Administrators as responsible site administrators. You too could have contacted ASIC, rather than opening multiple threads in various forums and then alleging here that you contacted all PPRuNe Moderators.
Our action was not the result of your alleged PM or email which none of the Mods received!
4PW's, on December 10 2008, you started new threads in at least four forums, all with identical posts. All except one were deleted due to our no multiple posting rules.
PPRuNe adverts are provided by Google ads and are contextual. As you write about the subject matter you are bound to get a related advert showing up.
Your threads appear to be in respect to a web site: www.australian wealth.com - which has now been blocked by PPRuNe (hence the split URL).
A PPRuNe Moderator reported the web site to ASIC who investigated and whilst they agree the web site is very vague, they can not see any matter which contravenes Australian law, nor had they received any other complaints.
That action was instigated by the Forum Moderators and Administrators as responsible site administrators. You too could have contacted ASIC, rather than opening multiple threads in various forums and then alleging here that you contacted all PPRuNe Moderators.
Our action was not the result of your alleged PM or email which none of the Mods received!
Chief Bottle Washer
Just as addition, seeing as there seems a concern about moderating here, and in general. The topic of K Rudd and his hissy fits would not be seen as an aviation topic by me, and would either be closed or moved to JB. Generally you have a very tolerant set of moderators here in D & G, whether you realise it or not.
And the concept of notifying all and sundry when a post is deleted, modified or moderated: I certainly don't have time for such things
That's nothing to do with manners, good or otherwise, but just a fact of life. Those who believe that we mods have some need to do such a thing are not being realistic.
And the concept of notifying all and sundry when a post is deleted, modified or moderated: I certainly don't have time for such things
That's nothing to do with manners, good or otherwise, but just a fact of life. Those who believe that we mods have some need to do such a thing are not being realistic.
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The thread should run. It's aussie mil aviation which isn't that well-represented in the UK-dominated mil forum. There's no shortage of other RAAF topics in the D&G forums such as the Super-Hornet thread. Why not this one?
Plus, it gives the peanut gallery a chance to see what sort of an individual they've elected to tun the country and how poorly-bred he is. In my limited corporate experience, aviation (free-rides in tax-payer funded jets) at state level seems to be something the labor pollies find so much more appealing and attractive than the libs. They just can't get enough of a good thing and were more likely than the libs to behave badly as if they were paying for the jet themselves.
Krudd - What a champion of a human being.
Plus, it gives the peanut gallery a chance to see what sort of an individual they've elected to tun the country and how poorly-bred he is. In my limited corporate experience, aviation (free-rides in tax-payer funded jets) at state level seems to be something the labor pollies find so much more appealing and attractive than the libs. They just can't get enough of a good thing and were more likely than the libs to behave badly as if they were paying for the jet themselves.
Didn't he apologise at the time? Pretty sure he did.
"I said to the member of staff not to worry about it," .....If people have been offended, I apologise for it."
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Blatant political comment
Paulg, I concede that my comment regarding my feelings toward Mr Rudd and his party should not have been posted in this forum and I apologise for that. I note, however, that there have been many other political comments over any number of forums and these have not brought any admonishment from the Moderators. Tail Wheel, as for your support for Pole Vaulter, please enlighten me on what may have been libelous in my post.
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Tail Wheel, as for your support for Pole Vaulter...
When will the dills out ther in PPRuNe land understand that PPRuNe IS NOT A DEMOCRATIC board. If you want one start your own. This has to be moderated or legal issues will arrise and those who post crap could end up being sued. Get over it and stop the political crap. Stick to AVIATION.
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Pole Vaulter. Could not have said it better myself!
When will you get the simple message that the issue of the PM's hissy fit has nothing to do with "Airline and RPT issues in Australia and enZed" and there is not going to be a non aviation political debate in this or any other PPRuNe Forum?