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Moderators Overkill?
Why on earth have the Moderators closed the thread I posted about the bad behaviour of Australia's PM on a flight?
Are the moderators so high and mighty that they ignore the incident that is making headlines in Australia on TV and in the newspapers about it?
This happened on an Aeroplane in flight and involved a Flight attendant.
What more is required for it to qualify for this Forum?
Sure it has Political overtones but is that not what debates and forums are for and as this involved Aviation it should rightfully be in it?
One simply cannot bury ones head in the sand and say it did not happen and it's all over now.
It did and it's not.
If it was a football team or a celebrity it would probaly still be here but just because it is a bit political there is no reason to lock it in my opinion.
The big issue about this behaviour is that the PM ONLY apologised two months AFTER the incident and then only when it was revealed.
It does not matter what your political persuasion is this is not accetpable behaviour from a person of such high standing in this country or indeed anyone.
In a democratic society we have the right to express our opinions and debate them in open forums , but alas this seems not to be the case in this forum.
It is a very sad day indeed when we can't have our say.
What a shame.
Are the moderators so high and mighty that they ignore the incident that is making headlines in Australia on TV and in the newspapers about it?
This happened on an Aeroplane in flight and involved a Flight attendant.
What more is required for it to qualify for this Forum?
Sure it has Political overtones but is that not what debates and forums are for and as this involved Aviation it should rightfully be in it?
One simply cannot bury ones head in the sand and say it did not happen and it's all over now.
It did and it's not.
If it was a football team or a celebrity it would probaly still be here but just because it is a bit political there is no reason to lock it in my opinion.
The big issue about this behaviour is that the PM ONLY apologised two months AFTER the incident and then only when it was revealed.
It does not matter what your political persuasion is this is not accetpable behaviour from a person of such high standing in this country or indeed anyone.
In a democratic society we have the right to express our opinions and debate them in open forums , but alas this seems not to be the case in this forum.
It is a very sad day indeed when we can't have our say.
What a shame.
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So what, the PM is not allowed to voice his opinion when not receiving the dish he ordered. If you were at a restaurant and received catfish instead of chicken, you would be pretty pissed off too. Mate the guy doesn't get to eat at home alot, just like Pilots, so when you want a decent meal you want a decent meal.
The hostie was probably a bit over emotional when he showed signs of disgust and disappointment with his dish. Get a life, get over it and get on with your job. I thought the forces had staff with a bit of balls. As chopper would say, Toughen the Fu$k up Australia.
So it was probably taken off because it is a bit of crap news.
The hostie was probably a bit over emotional when he showed signs of disgust and disappointment with his dish. Get a life, get over it and get on with your job. I thought the forces had staff with a bit of balls. As chopper would say, Toughen the Fu$k up Australia.
So it was probably taken off because it is a bit of crap news.
I thought the same. Why can't we comment on our illustrious leader here? It's certainly aviation related.
I recall other threads regarding passenger John Smith making unwanted comments towards crew, no closing of threads.
Rudd sets a poor example and should be treated as any other passenger.
Is it now acceptable to abuse your QF Cabin crew when they serve up a meal thats not up to standard? (I use QF as they are the only one that serve meals unless you actually order a specific meal, like a 3 week old ham sandwhich etc)
Hey you B^%Ch, I want a steak not this vegetarian crap. I paid good money for this ticket, you go back to the kitchen and get me a real meal. Right NOW. for F%^ks sake. Might as well travel with Jetstar.
A precedent has now been set. Its OK every one makes mistakes and he apologised.
Its not even rumour, he openly admits it.
Maybe thats why it was removerd?
I recall other threads regarding passenger John Smith making unwanted comments towards crew, no closing of threads.
Rudd sets a poor example and should be treated as any other passenger.
Is it now acceptable to abuse your QF Cabin crew when they serve up a meal thats not up to standard? (I use QF as they are the only one that serve meals unless you actually order a specific meal, like a 3 week old ham sandwhich etc)
Hey you B^%Ch, I want a steak not this vegetarian crap. I paid good money for this ticket, you go back to the kitchen and get me a real meal. Right NOW. for F%^ks sake. Might as well travel with Jetstar.
A precedent has now been set. Its OK every one makes mistakes and he apologised.
Its not even rumour, he openly admits it.
Maybe thats why it was removerd?
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Zoomy.
Everyone has the right to complain but not to berate a person to tears.
There are Discrimination Tribunals that hear these complaints and act if they are justified.
Do you really think this F/A will go that far?
Not Likely.
This is why it must be out in the open for all of us to digest and make an opinion.
Is that too hard for you to comprehend?
We should be able to debate/discuss this without censoring.
Let us continue to discuss this as adults without fear or favour.
Let's see just how un biased the moderators are and ask them to re-open the thread for sensible debate.
There are Discrimination Tribunals that hear these complaints and act if they are justified.
Do you really think this F/A will go that far?
Not Likely.
This is why it must be out in the open for all of us to digest and make an opinion.
Is that too hard for you to comprehend?
We should be able to debate/discuss this without censoring.
Let us continue to discuss this as adults without fear or favour.
Let's see just how un biased the moderators are and ask them to re-open the thread for sensible debate.
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Give the moderators a break, only for them you could not post on this forum. They dont get paid and do this for the love of it.
post the story under rude passengers in the hostie forum.
Get over your sense of self importance
post the story under rude passengers in the hostie forum.
Get over your sense of self importance
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Moderators are here to moderate, I've done it myself and it's not easy. It IS the height of rudeness though to remove a post/thread and not have the common decency to at least PM the poster and explain why (or at least that) their post is MIA 
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Hempy, eloquently says
I have frequented this Rumour Network since the mid/late 90's and I have never seen it happen. I suspect the people involved and the origin of the Network has had a marked effect on the evolution of the Moderator standards. Perhaps I should say, the variable and often inconsistent standards. Suggesting the Moderation was such has caused many genuinely concerned posters to be banned for simply questioning those that saw themselves as "unquestionable" and infallible.
Ofcourse I know better now and would never suggest there was anything ever wrong or even inconsistent in the standard/s of Moderation.
At least the D&G Mods do not come across as PPP's
It IS the height of rudeness though to remove a post/thread and not have the common decency to at least PM the poster and explain why (or at least that) their post is MIA
Ofcourse I know better now and would never suggest there was anything ever wrong or even inconsistent in the standard/s of Moderation.
At least the D&G Mods do not come across as PPP's
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The thread should just have been moved to Cabin Crew or Military Aircrew. And before anyone gets their nose out of joint, I have seen far more relevant and important threads (that actually have something to do with "Airline and RPT issues in Australia and enZed") than this re-attempt moved or locked. I have alse seen many more threads that have nothing to do with "Airline and RPT issues in Australia and enZed" survive.
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I'd hazard a guess that it was locked
A) Because it's boring.
B) Because some of the usual suspects turned up and tried to hijack it.
FWIW If I was chartering the aircraft, was asked what menu options I wished to choose, had Kerry O'Brien, Whatsit Jones and Malcolm Turnbull in my face all bloody day, and then was offered steak when I expected fish, I just might say "That's all I bloody need", or words to that effect.
Ultimately it is a boring bit of gossip.
A) Because it's boring.
B) Because some of the usual suspects turned up and tried to hijack it.
FWIW If I was chartering the aircraft, was asked what menu options I wished to choose, had Kerry O'Brien, Whatsit Jones and Malcolm Turnbull in my face all bloody day, and then was offered steak when I expected fish, I just might say "That's all I bloody need", or words to that effect.
Ultimately it is a boring bit of gossip.
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He joins a couple of former prime ministers and one minister for foreign affairs (no, it was not Downer) for being pigs on aircraft, I have personally witnessed it myself, perhaps they are stressed out, perhaps they are buggered, perhaps they are just pigs, who knows, but then again I have also seen some Captains throw a hissy fit as well, especially from you know who.I have also seen some great putdowns by some senior flight attendants, who don't take any crap from anybody, and I love the one they say at the door to the offender "so long until tomorrow"they say with a beaming smile ( you work it out) also loved the one by the male senior flight attendant (gay) to the real little princess from some trumped up little european backyard region who on protesting loudly as she was told to put up her table due to heavy turbulence, screamed at him " I am a princess don't speak to me like that, he replied " so big deal darls I am a queen so I outrank you, so put up your frekkin table, NOW!
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"It is a very sad day indeed when we can't have our say."
That it occurred in an aircraft, and a military aircraft at that, appears to be purely coincidental!
Do you wish to post some further aviation related facts of which we are not aware, or do you intend to start a political debate on a professional aviation forum? If the latter this thread will also be locked.
What Wod said!
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Mr. Tailwheel
I would like to respond to your post as follows.
You used my Quote:
"It is a very sad day indeed when we can't have our say."
My response is:
If you care to read it carefully you may see the words " Our say"
NOT " My Say ".
You also ask:
"So, Rod, what would you like to say that is Australian commercial aviation/RPT/GA related".
Why have you excluded the Military when they do have a section in these Forums?
When you ask what I would like to say I ask you:
What about all of the others that may wish to contribute to these threads?
Are they to be excluded?
You say that
" this is an issue which is last month's news,been flogged to death on TV "
It believe it was not in the news last Month and from what I can ascertain it happened in Janurary.
How can you say it has been flogged to death when it has only been on TV for less than 24Hrs?
There have been other threads on unruly/abusive passengers that have run for quite a while so why not this one?
Are you afraid of an issue that involves a politician?
Regarding:
"Do you wish to post some further aviation related facts of which we are not aware of?"
How can we do that?
By locking that thread you have prevented members from doing exactly what you have just asked .
One of the greatest attributes of Forums is to invite others in to discuss and enlighten us on issues so maybe there could have been others that would have posted information that we are not aware of.
.A very good reason for threads like these is it gives people a chance to express their views and quite often information that would otherwise not be made public for fear of retribution comes to light.
It does happen that people who are afraid to go public on similar occurrences may well bring them to light in Forums.
It is not Political Rhetoric it is a discussion about what took place in an Aviation related situation.
Sure, I and others have had a go at Rudd but if it were any other Polly or Person of note we would have done the same.
People of high profile are always the subject of comments be it favourable or otherwise.
Moderators are there to prevent abusive,defamatory,false,misleading etc. articles and to redirect them to the correct place if necessary.
It is surely not the job of a moderator to lock something that may go against his personal feelings as to whether it has had enough time or has a bit of lively debate in it.
That is for the members to decide.
If there is a lack of interest then there will not be any further input from Forum Members.
I know there will be some who will berate me and some who agree but that's democracy and just what Forums are for and I feel I must have my say on this issue.
Anyway you will do what you like ,it may not be necessarily what some
like, but you will do as you wish.
Use your discretionary powers wisely.
You used my Quote:
"It is a very sad day indeed when we can't have our say."
My response is:
If you care to read it carefully you may see the words " Our say"
NOT " My Say ".
You also ask:
"So, Rod, what would you like to say that is Australian commercial aviation/RPT/GA related".
Why have you excluded the Military when they do have a section in these Forums?
When you ask what I would like to say I ask you:
What about all of the others that may wish to contribute to these threads?
Are they to be excluded?
You say that
" this is an issue which is last month's news,been flogged to death on TV "
It believe it was not in the news last Month and from what I can ascertain it happened in Janurary.
How can you say it has been flogged to death when it has only been on TV for less than 24Hrs?
There have been other threads on unruly/abusive passengers that have run for quite a while so why not this one?
Are you afraid of an issue that involves a politician?
Regarding:
"Do you wish to post some further aviation related facts of which we are not aware of?"
How can we do that?
By locking that thread you have prevented members from doing exactly what you have just asked .
One of the greatest attributes of Forums is to invite others in to discuss and enlighten us on issues so maybe there could have been others that would have posted information that we are not aware of.
.A very good reason for threads like these is it gives people a chance to express their views and quite often information that would otherwise not be made public for fear of retribution comes to light.
It does happen that people who are afraid to go public on similar occurrences may well bring them to light in Forums.
It is not Political Rhetoric it is a discussion about what took place in an Aviation related situation.
Sure, I and others have had a go at Rudd but if it were any other Polly or Person of note we would have done the same.
People of high profile are always the subject of comments be it favourable or otherwise.
Moderators are there to prevent abusive,defamatory,false,misleading etc. articles and to redirect them to the correct place if necessary.
It is surely not the job of a moderator to lock something that may go against his personal feelings as to whether it has had enough time or has a bit of lively debate in it.
That is for the members to decide.
If there is a lack of interest then there will not be any further input from Forum Members.
I know there will be some who will berate me and some who agree but that's democracy and just what Forums are for and I feel I must have my say on this issue.
Anyway you will do what you like ,it may not be necessarily what some
like, but you will do as you wish.
Use your discretionary powers wisely.
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Rod, get over it mate. Were you there. I bet it was as simple as he was frustrated and the hostie a bit over emotional. No you cant change the meals at 35000' but you can sure check them before you accept them.
I stand by my saying toughen the Fu$k up Australia. Stop having a winge and get on with it.
This is a friggin media spinner this one.
I stand by my saying toughen the Fu$k up Australia. Stop having a winge and get on with it.
This is a friggin media spinner this one.