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Just one thing .. Pprune Radar
you still insist and in fact call 4PW a liar ..
he is not a liar, he would be so if he knowingly made a statement that would falsely represent something to be what it isn't ..
if he was under the impression that the contact us button would do something like deliver a missive to all all mods - then he isn't lying when he states he sent something to all. He has made a mistake, and a simple one at that.
Perhaps there could be such a mechanism to prevent this from happening in the future??
I think the score is 0 - 0 .. no-one wins this one, flaming on the board is futile ..
shake hands, correspond by PM and move on .
he is not a liar, he would be so if he knowingly made a statement that would falsely represent something to be what it isn't ..
if he was under the impression that the contact us button would do something like deliver a missive to all all mods - then he isn't lying when he states he sent something to all. He has made a mistake, and a simple one at that.
Perhaps there could be such a mechanism to prevent this from happening in the future??
I think the score is 0 - 0 .. no-one wins this one, flaming on the board is futile ..
shake hands, correspond by PM and move on .
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What a shame, but how relevant, that this post I make is in itself the proof of the actions of D&G's own Rasputin - as it cannot be seen publicly because he has made my posts invisible.
Pprune Radar scores zero - 4PWs used the 'contact us' button and, despite the weak semantics effort by PPR to discredit that, the 'reasonable man' would conclude that the nature of the message was such that the area contacted would notify as appropriate. But a nice semantics debate is a clever diversion from the real message sent by many respondents.
It's all there on this thread - one person has become the reason why the D&G site is losing custom and has had nothing of riveting interest for months. Too many people have commented, many of them quite reasonable, for the message not to be credible.
This thread has turned into a cover up and slanging to try and cover Taily's khyber. Won't wash with those who have seen his long-term inconsistent and irrational behaviours on here. To err is human, unfortunately to think you are actually the bored god rather than the victim is egomania and paranoia.
Go for it Taily, you have snatched defeat on D&G from certain victory
Pprune Radar scores zero - 4PWs used the 'contact us' button and, despite the weak semantics effort by PPR to discredit that, the 'reasonable man' would conclude that the nature of the message was such that the area contacted would notify as appropriate. But a nice semantics debate is a clever diversion from the real message sent by many respondents.
It's all there on this thread - one person has become the reason why the D&G site is losing custom and has had nothing of riveting interest for months. Too many people have commented, many of them quite reasonable, for the message not to be credible.
This thread has turned into a cover up and slanging to try and cover Taily's khyber. Won't wash with those who have seen his long-term inconsistent and irrational behaviours on here. To err is human, unfortunately to think you are actually the bored god rather than the victim is egomania and paranoia.
Go for it Taily, you have snatched defeat on D&G from certain victory
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" Tail Wheel"
Is there going to be any response from you regarding my post?
Rather than locking the thread why did you not just move it to Jet Blast?
This would seem to me to be quite OK given the examples of Political discussions/debate I have included in this post.
There are so many other examples of Political discussion in these Forums it seems to be a bit biased to lock my thread given my reasons and the belief of myself and quite a few others that it is " Aviation" related.
Do all threads have to be " Airline and RPT issues"?
Your Forum states:
"Dunnunda & Godzone
An independent family of forums covering all aspects of the Australian/NZ aviation scene."
Rod H
Mr. Moderator
The moderator posted this :
" When will you get the simple message that the issue of the PM's hissy fit has nothing to do with "Airline and RPT issues in Australia and enZed" and there is not going to be a non aviation political debate in this or any other PPRuNe Forum?
"
Seems strange when the threads below are in these Forums and the one
about US politics ran for 123 pages and is still there.
There are lots more in these Forums as well .
US politics - Hamsterwheel
http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/275324-how-will
-tony-blair-remembered.html?
A bit of consistancy might be in order I believe.
Rather than locking the thread why did you not just move it to Jet Blast?
This would seem to me to be quite OK given the examples of Political discussions/debate I have included in this post.
There are so many other examples of Political discussion in these Forums it seems to be a bit biased to lock my thread given my reasons and the belief of myself and quite a few others that it is " Aviation" related.
Do all threads have to be " Airline and RPT issues"?
Your Forum states:
"Dunnunda & Godzone
An independent family of forums covering all aspects of the Australian/NZ aviation scene."
Rod H
Mr. Moderator
The moderator posted this :
" When will you get the simple message that the issue of the PM's hissy fit has nothing to do with "Airline and RPT issues in Australia and enZed" and there is not going to be a non aviation political debate in this or any other PPRuNe Forum?
"Seems strange when the threads below are in these Forums and the one
about US politics ran for 123 pages and is still there.
There are lots more in these Forums as well .
US politics - Hamsterwheel
http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/275324-how-will
-tony-blair-remembered.html?
A bit of consistancy might be in order I believe.
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The RADAR response unfortunately raises and diverts too many issues and I don't have the time to address them all.
I think we have seen the "Contact Us" button is mislabelled, "Contact some of us" might be more accurate.
The same can be said for posts by non mods as well and I can see how others could find that above statement offensive.
Terrific, you call people liars, ignore an understandable mistake thinking "Contact Us" would infact contact us! and completely overlook and ignore that there are some on this board that are concerned enough to offer a well meaning suggestion/comment.
This thread is all about Moderation standards and consistency, not about the individual that is! a Moderator. I hope you understand the difference.
The suggestion that this thread (about KRudd and Military aviation) should be in the Military Aviation Forum is a bit of a joke, no! Or if you were really consistent, then the TAA and the DC9 thread should be shuffled off to History and Nostalgia ( fat chance any D&G relative topic would be allowed in there). Shuttleworth is allowed to advertise on there, but apparently there are no other worthwhile significant aviation collections anywhere else in the world (outside the UK there is another world) worthy of support. The perception is one of inconsistency.
Obviously I will never be asked into the secret society of Moderator, why, because I do make mistakes (and admit them) and I can never be perceived as a PPP.
Life beckons (another reason I won't be asked to be a Mod).
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I think we have seen the "Contact Us" button is mislabelled, "Contact some of us" might be more accurate.
I would not make the claim on PPRuNe, especially as a Mod, if not true.
To end, I make no comment on the moderation issues being discussed.
, you call people liars, ignore an understandable mistake thinking "Contact Us" would infact contact us! and completely overlook and ignore that there are some on this board that are concerned enough to offer a well meaning suggestion/comment. This thread is all about Moderation standards and consistency, not about the individual that is! a Moderator. I hope you understand the difference.
The suggestion that this thread (about KRudd and Military aviation) should be in the Military Aviation Forum is a bit of a joke, no! Or if you were really consistent, then the TAA and the DC9 thread should be shuffled off to History and Nostalgia ( fat chance any D&G relative topic would be allowed in there). Shuttleworth is allowed to advertise on there, but apparently there are no other worthwhile significant aviation collections anywhere else in the world (outside the UK there is another world) worthy of support. The perception is one of inconsistency.
Obviously I will never be asked into the secret society of Moderator, why, because I do make mistakes (and admit them) and I can never be perceived as a PPP.
Life beckons (another reason I won't be asked to be a Mod).
Tipsy
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I accept that. A mistake was made, which provides mitigation for what happened. PPRuNe could improve it's side of the house by beefing up the 'Contact Us' statement to explain what it means precisely ... although it would still require people to actually read it at the end of the day in the Terms and Conditions or Privacy statement. 
In my experience very few actually do, but it shouldn't stop us from at least providing the mechanism for people to brief themselves.
Having received the supplementary information from 4PW's, I am happy to say that I can see why he made the mistake and apologise for reacting to the incorrect information he gave at first. 0-0 is a fair result.
I would however still defend myself in future against any claim made by someone that I had been given information and not acted upon it, when there is proof that I wasn't and therefore couldn't.
tipsy2
My point is that we, as Mods, should put in an extra effort to be whiter than white and set an example by not claiming untruths on the board. Mods and posters are both human, but Mods can't criticise someone else if they don't try their damndest to set the standards themselves.
I am not sure you actually read what I wrote. I accepted that there was mitigation which could be argued. It would then come down to what someone perceived as reasonable as to whether that was an accepted argument or not. As stated above, I'm happy to let everyone make up their own mind, and to accept this as the reason for the unintended untruth. We're not in a court of law after all, where learned gentlemen would provide the basis for one side being established as in the right and another in the wrong. Part of that would no doubt involve defining what is meant by 'Us'. I've undertaken to approach PPRuNe to clarify this 'definition' which should improve things for all parties.
This thread was not about moderation in general, but specifically about D&G moderation issues. I'm not in a position to judge the pros and cons of the actions taken, because I am not close to the issue, nor do I have intimate knowledge of the style and strategies employed by the D&G Mods when carrying out their tasks. I hope you too understand the difference, since although we could continue the discussion to site wide principles, that's not really relevant to the original posters query, unless they wish to cast the net wider.
Dry your eyes ... 
the pay is awful anyway 
You'd be surprised the wide range of activities and fun things Mods get up to with their real lifes. 
if he was under the impression that the contact us button would do something like deliver a missive to all all mods - then he isn't lying when he states he sent something to all. He has made a mistake, and a simple one at that.
Perhaps there could be such a mechanism to prevent this from happening in the future??
I think the score is 0 - 0 .. no-one wins this one, flaming on the board is futile ..
shake hands, correspond by PM and move on .
Perhaps there could be such a mechanism to prevent this from happening in the future??
I think the score is 0 - 0 .. no-one wins this one, flaming on the board is futile ..
shake hands, correspond by PM and move on .
In my experience very few actually do, but it shouldn't stop us from at least providing the mechanism for people to brief themselves.Having received the supplementary information from 4PW's, I am happy to say that I can see why he made the mistake and apologise for reacting to the incorrect information he gave at first. 0-0 is a fair result.
I would however still defend myself in future against any claim made by someone that I had been given information and not acted upon it, when there is proof that I wasn't and therefore couldn't.
tipsy2
The same can be said for posts by non mods as well and I can see how others could find that above statement offensive.
Terrific, you call people liars, ignore an understandable mistake thinking "Contact Us" would infact contact us! and completely overlook and ignore that there are some on this board that are concerned enough to offer a well meaning suggestion/comment.
This thread is all about Moderation standards and consistency, not about the individual that is! a Moderator. I hope you understand the difference.
Obviously I will never be asked into the secret society of Moderator, why, because I do make mistakes (and admit them) and I (hope) I can never be perceived as a PPP.
the pay is awful anyway
Life beckons (another reason I won't be asked to be a Mod).
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This thread is all about Moderation standards and consistency, not about the individual that is! a Moderator. I hope you understand the difference.
It was purely coincidental the Prime Minister's rude hissy fit occurred in an aircraft, and a military aircraft at that - the locked thread is all about the Prime Minister's parlous and inexcusable manners, not about aviation.
The same scenario could have (and from what I hear, probably has) occurred in Parliament House, a restaurant or anywhere else.
I would not have permitted a thread regarding the Della Bosca's Iguana affair, why permit a similar thread when the Prime Minister's actions and the circumstances are virtually no different?
I wonder if he will direct he too undertake anger management therapy?
Over the years, a number of threads in Dunnunda have been moved to other forums, including the Aviation History & Nostalgia Forum. Whilst I agree it is very subjective, some nostalgia threads tend to be very Aussie-centric - the 727, DC9 and PNG threads for example - and have been permitted to run, usually in D&G GA and Questions.
Regarding 4PW's complaint about a Google ad on PPRuNe, on December 11, 2008, an Internet Brands administrator posting in our Admin Forum:
Anyone have any idea what this person is talking about? Which advertisement?
Should PPRuNe users wish to contact the relevant Moderator(s) I suggest they use only the Report This Post Icon for that purpose.
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May be time.......
See what we get up to when you aren't around?
Not sure what information Owen Stanley may have, however ASIC called me on December 24, 2008 (from the Admin Forum): "They have no record of other complaints however agree the web site appears very vague. They have added the web site to their internal database and will investigate further if further complaints are received."
PPRuNe met any duty of care responsibility it may have. Perhaps Owen Stanley and 4PW's should now provide their additional information direct to ASIC-FIDO?
See what we get up to when you aren't around?
Not sure what information Owen Stanley may have, however ASIC called me on December 24, 2008 (from the Admin Forum): "They have no record of other complaints however agree the web site appears very vague. They have added the web site to their internal database and will investigate further if further complaints are received."
PPRuNe met any duty of care responsibility it may have. Perhaps Owen Stanley and 4PW's should now provide their additional information direct to ASIC-FIDO?
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Yeah i cant see why the thread about Mr Sheen was locked...
Rudd also = Pompous Twerp (but that's for another thread...)
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Gee!!!! The mods don't like being challenged do they?
Ah Well.
I guess they regard this issue as though It's a bit like a headache , after a while it will go away .
It may well with their help but the real cause always lurks around waiting to surface again in the future.
Lifes too short and comes to an end without much warning to worry too much about this anyway.
I think quite few people will have had a good chance to digest some of the points raised so all is not lost.
Rod H
Ah Well.
I guess they regard this issue as though It's a bit like a headache , after a while it will go away .
It may well with their help but the real cause always lurks around waiting to surface again in the future.
Lifes too short and comes to an end without much warning to worry too much about this anyway.
I think quite few people will have had a good chance to digest some of the points raised so all is not lost.
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I knew there was a reason I stopped reading Dunnunda, the whinging Ozmates. Whenever I come back in here it reminds me just how many of them (not all) fail to grasp the realities of life.
The original topic was at most tenuously related to aviation.
This site is not a democracy.
We that post on PPRuNe don't have to deal with the rivers of absolute rubbish that some members put here just to see their names in print or air their own views.
If any of us wish to post without moderation (and face the legal consequences) it's never been easier to set up our own site.
Some people need to take a long, hard look at themselves.
The original topic was at most tenuously related to aviation.
This site is not a democracy.
We that post on PPRuNe don't have to deal with the rivers of absolute rubbish that some members put here just to see their names in print or air their own views.
If any of us wish to post without moderation (and face the legal consequences) it's never been easier to set up our own site.
Some people need to take a long, hard look at themselves.
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Apology and clarification
I hope this is read as it's written, in peace.
I was called a liar, but I'm over it.
PPRuNe Radar has spent a lot of time laying his side out. It's a fair view, so thanks for taking the time (mate).
By the way, I unreservedly apologise for infering all Moderators are tarred with the brush of 'you get what you pay for'. Unreservedly suggests there is nothing further to say. Allow me to expand, not on the apology but on what I meant.
This site should be a paid for site. Only then will we get the CONTENT we need as professional pilots. Gasp, shock, horror. Keep it real though. This is just my perspective.
On the issue of Contact Us as a link to PPRuNE as against McDonalds, I wrote to and received a reply from Danny using that very button. True, it was some time ago, maybe in a more peaceful time. I was Hung Like A Horse at the time, and very much enjoyed this site.
When wanting to write to PPRuNe, I did so again. There was no reply, so I wrote several times more. In the end, I screwed up. The mails did not go to Danny (who I suspect is now counting his millions somewhere else) or to any Moderator. I did not lie, deliberately or by default.
Tail Wheel, mate, I did not, categorically, write to PPRuNe via Contact Us in regards to the website you're talking about. The website in question began with the two letters G and O, ended with N and G.
Whatever. I'm sorry I've wasted everyone's bloody time. Now, where are those kids of mine? I've got three, and they're on holidays...and the fish are, apparently, biting.
No pun intended. I love to fish.
Stay safe.
I was called a liar, but I'm over it.
PPRuNe Radar has spent a lot of time laying his side out. It's a fair view, so thanks for taking the time (mate).
By the way, I unreservedly apologise for infering all Moderators are tarred with the brush of 'you get what you pay for'. Unreservedly suggests there is nothing further to say. Allow me to expand, not on the apology but on what I meant.
This site should be a paid for site. Only then will we get the CONTENT we need as professional pilots. Gasp, shock, horror. Keep it real though. This is just my perspective.
On the issue of Contact Us as a link to PPRuNE as against McDonalds, I wrote to and received a reply from Danny using that very button. True, it was some time ago, maybe in a more peaceful time. I was Hung Like A Horse at the time, and very much enjoyed this site.
When wanting to write to PPRuNe, I did so again. There was no reply, so I wrote several times more. In the end, I screwed up. The mails did not go to Danny (who I suspect is now counting his millions somewhere else) or to any Moderator. I did not lie, deliberately or by default.
Tail Wheel, mate, I did not, categorically, write to PPRuNe via Contact Us in regards to the website you're talking about. The website in question began with the two letters G and O, ended with N and G.
Whatever. I'm sorry I've wasted everyone's bloody time. Now, where are those kids of mine? I've got three, and they're on holidays...and the fish are, apparently, biting.
No pun intended. I love to fish.
Stay safe.
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"The website in question began with the two letters G and O, ended with N and G."
We assumed you were referring to the web site I mentioned earlier. Your December post did not mention the web site you referred to. Google ads probably has thousands and thousands of adverts. The adverts are "contextural" - you will see an advert related to what you post.
The "Contact Us" email goes to Internet Brands who now own this site. Originally, I suspect any "Contact Us" emails would have gone to Danny or the Admin team but that would have changed when Internet Brands too over. I think they have over sixty similar sites so loss of your email may be understandable if it was not very specific.
Danny counting his millions ..... he wishes....
And a free tip? I got a very nice three pound Mangrove Jack just off the Coomera Marina a few months ago.
It was the best catch we had in a weekend of only three or four fish! But a few coldies with mates made up for the disappointing fishing!
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Hi Guys...we all having fun in here or what
Wonder what would happen if I locked this thread
I knew there was a reason I stopped reading Dunnunda, the whinging Ozmates. Whenever I come back in here it reminds me just how many of them (not all) fail to grasp the realities of life.
We that post on PPRuNe don't have to deal with the rivers of absolute rubbish that some members put here just to see their names in print or air their own views.
Get a life old mate.
Pretty funny thread.......... lets see how long it will last.
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It is a shame that " Tailwheel" does not seem to want to reply to my post # 62.
The part titled " US Politics-Hamsterwheel "really does cover the issue of non-aviation related political debates .
It would have been nice to find out just why he locked the thread based on his statement " there is not going to be a non aviation political debate in this or any other PPRuNe Forum? ". when the above mentioned thread is still running in Jet Blast and is full of politics that are most certainly non aviation related.
I suppose he is too busy fishing to reply.
The part titled " US Politics-Hamsterwheel "really does cover the issue of non-aviation related political debates .
It would have been nice to find out just why he locked the thread based on his statement " there is not going to be a non aviation political debate in this or any other PPRuNe Forum?
". when the above mentioned thread is still running in Jet Blast and is full of politics that are most certainly non aviation related.I suppose he is too busy fishing to reply.
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Flintstone regurgitates the old "set up your own site" fallacy. Boring and very very old hat!
Perhaps Flintstone could continue to avoid our D&G as he sees us as whinging ozmates.
Now is that calling the kettle black or what?
I no longer bother with the pratty UK centric forums for exactly that same reason and engrained attitudes. Hence the PPP's
Discussion of the standards and standardisation of Moderation has been avoided thus far in this thread, one hopes that those Moderators that actually care rather than appear will encourage discussion in the Admin Forum.
I do hope so.
Perhaps Flinstone has some other moot point to make about trainsets or something equally banal.
Perhaps Flintstone could continue to avoid our D&G as he sees us as whinging ozmates.
Now is that calling the kettle black or what?
I no longer bother with the pratty UK centric forums for exactly that same reason and engrained attitudes. Hence the PPP's
Discussion of the standards and standardisation of Moderation has been avoided thus far in this thread, one hopes that those Moderators that actually care rather than appear will encourage discussion in the Admin Forum.
I do hope so.
Perhaps Flinstone has some other moot point to make about trainsets or something equally banal.
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lol, touche'.
Moderation is a thankless task.I was asked to be one a long time ago on a non aviation site.Not being one gives me more freedom to
"make mistakes"
Mods are human,they make mistakes over react change standards etc. Big deal.
Its an anon forum provided for free. I say dont be too sensitive about being moderated please.
It aint a perfect world .
I'd like to thank them all for their time and effort in running this excellent site.
How lucky we are to have a worldwide means of discussion at our fingertips for zip.
Moderation is a thankless task.I was asked to be one a long time ago on a non aviation site.Not being one gives me more freedom to
"make mistakes"
Mods are human,they make mistakes over react change standards etc. Big deal.
Its an anon forum provided for free. I say dont be too sensitive about being moderated please.
It aint a perfect world .
I'd like to thank them all for their time and effort in running this excellent site.
How lucky we are to have a worldwide means of discussion at our fingertips for zip.
