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BB you have a wonderful way of twisting the facts. OA are very happy to fly to Nauru through HIR and will continue to do so into the future. They don't fly to Hir empty but in fact average more than 80 pax per flight to HIR, so please get it right .I know you will say but soon they won't code share with Solly but again that doesn't matter as they will then carry pax in their own right at a very competitive rate.Air Van did have talks with OA many moons ago re Santo at their instigation but nothing came of it for reasons totally different to what you allege. Believe it or not OA even have staff who know as much as you seem to know about IOSA and are addressing the matter.
So as devilspoint and many other posters proclaim why not work to create jobs instead of being one of the few(with personal interest at heart I suspect)who seem intent on closing down as many operators as they can. Maybe they have the taste of blood from SAW and OJ and are wanting for more
So as devilspoint and many other posters proclaim why not work to create jobs instead of being one of the few(with personal interest at heart I suspect)who seem intent on closing down as many operators as they can. Maybe they have the taste of blood from SAW and OJ and are wanting for more
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feenix,
You have lost all credit with me mate, it doesnt cost THAT much to lease an A320 by the hour... No - one would ever make a profit at that cost
Skystar 320 I wasn't talking about operating costs but charter rates as that is what Solly will have to pay and I would think $9000 per hour for an A320 would be cheap if anything.
Obie we don't all have the luxury of just flying aircraft as some have to multi-task but even so I don't quite see what you mean about operational decisions made on costs. It is simply a statement of one aircraft being able to fly direct under EDTO and the other not being able to and hence taking longer due to its changed tracking.BB correctly pointed out its is only another 10 minutes and I was pointing out how much that costs over a year.
Obie we don't all have the luxury of just flying aircraft as some have to multi-task but even so I don't quite see what you mean about operational decisions made on costs. It is simply a statement of one aircraft being able to fly direct under EDTO and the other not being able to and hence taking longer due to its changed tracking.BB correctly pointed out its is only another 10 minutes and I was pointing out how much that costs over a year.
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Feenix, isnt that far off the mark.
Many in the area go out at around US7500 convert that to aussie and theres your answer. In addition with the changes coming soon for ETOPS threshold being increased to 90mins, the route will no longer be ETOPS. QF 738 is $8000 per hour.
Feenix, facts are facts, they cant be twisted. And as far as the instigation of talks, you've got it backward, and it certainly wasnt many moons ago. You do have some excellent people working for your airline. They are just hobbled by the idiots you have working for your airline. And believe me, it will take longer than a couple of months to bring OA up to IOSA standard. Another fact for you to mull over. This is not because it is a shoddy operation, you simply dont have the manpower.
October looms!!
Many in the area go out at around US7500 convert that to aussie and theres your answer. In addition with the changes coming soon for ETOPS threshold being increased to 90mins, the route will no longer be ETOPS. QF 738 is $8000 per hour.
Feenix, facts are facts, they cant be twisted. And as far as the instigation of talks, you've got it backward, and it certainly wasnt many moons ago. You do have some excellent people working for your airline. They are just hobbled by the idiots you have working for your airline. And believe me, it will take longer than a couple of months to bring OA up to IOSA standard. Another fact for you to mull over. This is not because it is a shoddy operation, you simply dont have the manpower.
October looms!!
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Skystar before you condemn you should first check your prices.BB is correct with his figures and if Strategic are going to charge more than these figures then they won't survive the charter market in the Pacific. The low rates are why people who don't run a tight ship don't survive.e.g SAW. I have seen a quote for the A320 and the figures I have quoted are pretty well right on. So I hope I have regained a little credibility (not credit) and hope you can see there is not a great deal of margin in this game and volume is the answer to stay ahead. By the way how much did you think these aircraft cost to hire?
BB I agree facts are facts and as someone who was involved at best I could say both parties were happy to talk because at the time Air Van were feeling threatened by Pac Blue and wanted to flood their market but didn't have the capacity so along came OA who will listen to any offer that maybe of benefit. It was before the code share with Solly so I call that a while back. Every airline has good and bad people, it just means the good work harder to put out fires started by the bad. Sad I know but that's our lot. We would all love more manpower but economics dictate otherwise and it is why the airlines who were staff heavy are no longer with us. Again it means the good have to perform better. I would love to discuss this with you but as you would be aware most of this is commercially sensitive and not to be shared. IOSA is just another hurdle and like many others in our past will be sorted. So best of luck to you and I hope we both succeed . By the way I don't know the significance of October as it was simply a deadline I gave to ITS/Boob to put up or shut up but he didn't have the courage to accept
BB I agree facts are facts and as someone who was involved at best I could say both parties were happy to talk because at the time Air Van were feeling threatened by Pac Blue and wanted to flood their market but didn't have the capacity so along came OA who will listen to any offer that maybe of benefit. It was before the code share with Solly so I call that a while back. Every airline has good and bad people, it just means the good work harder to put out fires started by the bad. Sad I know but that's our lot. We would all love more manpower but economics dictate otherwise and it is why the airlines who were staff heavy are no longer with us. Again it means the good have to perform better. I would love to discuss this with you but as you would be aware most of this is commercially sensitive and not to be shared. IOSA is just another hurdle and like many others in our past will be sorted. So best of luck to you and I hope we both succeed . By the way I don't know the significance of October as it was simply a deadline I gave to ITS/Boob to put up or shut up but he didn't have the courage to accept
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If you read the previous post re this figure I said it was a conservative guess.However all airlines have an advertised charter rate. This may be varied on a case by case basis. The cost to the operator varies with the hours flown but not to the charterer unless a deal is done. You seem very vague on the process for someone telling me I had no cred. Again, how much did you think jets chartered for an hour,
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Money up front? For how long will IE be able to do this? You guys have been hooked by the Melanesian Monk.
Are you ready to stop flying when it no longer is up front?
I give you guys until October before the money is no longer up front! In case the money is already in the bank, then i give you a month after that!
Sad, but true, tis been the way of the islands for as long as i can remember. History.....
Best of luck!
Grease the ex airvan monkey, i agree!
Are you ready to stop flying when it no longer is up front?
I give you guys until October before the money is no longer up front! In case the money is already in the bank, then i give you a month after that!
Sad, but true, tis been the way of the islands for as long as i can remember. History.....
Best of luck!
Grease the ex airvan monkey, i agree!
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These following comments"If your really 53 years of age, and still espousing the virtues of old technology airplanes, you have exposed yourself for the fraud that you are." sent to me by ITS/The Boob seem a bit hypocritical if the rumour that Strategic have bought OJ is true. If the classic is old technology what does that make the 200. That AOC is really being passed around without much success.What do you reckon Shore Knee ?
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Better to start from scratch and use Airbus manuals wherever possible. Recycling old manuals and changing them is always messy. System of maintenance is always a major task. Also, CASA won't argue with Airbus as much as they argue about pirated books and procedures which had their origins sometime in the sixties.
Getting a new AOC should take 6 months, if the right people run it. Changing an existing AOC from Boeing to Airbus may take almost as long with the right people and longer with the wrong people heading off in the wrong direction.
Getting a new AOC should take 6 months, if the right people run it. Changing an existing AOC from Boeing to Airbus may take almost as long with the right people and longer with the wrong people heading off in the wrong direction.
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Not being an IOSA registered airline greatly inhibits your ability to sell tickets.
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I think you will find they sell the majority of their tickets via the internet.
Maybe because they are domestic operators?
You forgot Pac BLue as well, they are not IOSA registered, they do however sell tickets through the virgin group, once again via the internet.
Maybe because they are domestic operators?
You forgot Pac BLue as well, they are not IOSA registered, they do however sell tickets through the virgin group, once again via the internet.
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BB,
Your original statement was entirely about the ability to sell tickets or otherwise depending on whether you are an IATA airline or not. The method of selling wasn't/isn't relevant - you either sell tickets or you don't. Domestic or International, again what's the relevance? Your statement was entirely about .... well, see my first sentence.
In case you hadn't noticed, Jetstar is more than a domestic operator.
Incidentally, how does ON sell tickets? Ah, via the internet just in case you still insist the method is relevant.
If you need to stoop to inane name calling, bearing in mind my recent diet and exercise program has been pretty successful, try calling me "Weightless".
Your original statement was entirely about the ability to sell tickets or otherwise depending on whether you are an IATA airline or not. The method of selling wasn't/isn't relevant - you either sell tickets or you don't. Domestic or International, again what's the relevance? Your statement was entirely about .... well, see my first sentence.
Maybe because they are domestic operators
Incidentally, how does ON sell tickets? Ah, via the internet just in case you still insist the method is relevant.
If you need to stoop to inane name calling, bearing in mind my recent diet and exercise program has been pretty successful, try calling me "Weightless".
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Goodness me, Black Bandit, your replies are all over the shop.
As "witless/weightless" ascribes to, you make a straightforward statement and then subsequently qualify it several times (that is: internet sales, domestic operators) only to contradict it with the example of Pacific Blue as an international operator.
None of this complements you original assertion. What are you trying to say, because it is far from clear?
As "witless/weightless" ascribes to, you make a straightforward statement and then subsequently qualify it several times (that is: internet sales, domestic operators) only to contradict it with the example of Pacific Blue as an international operator.
None of this complements you original assertion. What are you trying to say, because it is far from clear?
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OA is not able to carry pax into HIR in their own right!