SKYAIRWORLD: Management to take "Leave?
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Let us just hope that the maintenance status of the 170 and 190 is better than it was for the two 145s. Those two were supposed to ferry out earlier this week, but found not acceptable for hand-back to the lessor, due to maintenance not done/incorrectly done/not documented or whatever. CASA WHERE ARE YOU? WHERE WERE YOU?
what can CASA do, they are not flying so as far as CASA are concerned there are no laws broken because SAW are not flying. They are not putting any lives at risk. Why? Because they are not flying.
Bizzybody you are right that for as long as they don't fly CASA don't give a rat's because lives are not at risk. But before an aeroplane can be exported, it must have an Export C of A. That document is a statement BY THE AUTHORITY (in this case CASA) that all is in order, airworthiness-wise. Also a condition of most lease agreements is that the aircraft will be maintained to an approved maintenance schedule. Seemingly SAW has not fulfilled its obligations in regard to this.
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But before an aeroplane can be exported, it must have an Export C of A. That document is a statement BY THE AUTHORITY (in this case CASA) that all is in order, airworthiness-wise.
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as far as fees and charges are paid to C*S*,they are happy to issue the
Export C of A,
in this case,C*S* got more than 10,000 for each a/c.
now for the point of doing a detailed checking of the a/cs physically and document wise,i dont think it was done as major discrepancies would be found.
It can be proved through documents accumulated since almost 2 yrs that there were multiple breaking of the law,
the most recent one was the one infact proved by the higher management team through emails that all the a/cs since 2007 were maintained with expired manuals loaded on laptops.
another one was when the first 145 started flying RPT,it was doing so with spares robbed from the second 145 still on Polish regulation.
Then spares were exchanged vice versa to get the second one through
C*S* inspection.
there are also multiple cases where schedulrd checks were signed off without physically doing them.
All these can be proved by copies of technical documents photocopied at that time.
There are also hundreds of other cases of which documents have been well kept to show to the public when AT*B starts the clean up.
In the end it will be up to the famous Maint Contr to prove otherwise.
Export C of A,
in this case,C*S* got more than 10,000 for each a/c.
now for the point of doing a detailed checking of the a/cs physically and document wise,i dont think it was done as major discrepancies would be found.
It can be proved through documents accumulated since almost 2 yrs that there were multiple breaking of the law,
the most recent one was the one infact proved by the higher management team through emails that all the a/cs since 2007 were maintained with expired manuals loaded on laptops.
another one was when the first 145 started flying RPT,it was doing so with spares robbed from the second 145 still on Polish regulation.
Then spares were exchanged vice versa to get the second one through
C*S* inspection.
there are also multiple cases where schedulrd checks were signed off without physically doing them.
All these can be proved by copies of technical documents photocopied at that time.
There are also hundreds of other cases of which documents have been well kept to show to the public when AT*B starts the clean up.
In the end it will be up to the famous Maint Contr to prove otherwise.
Just the facts Mach E
One 145 was due to leave this morning, but the export C of A was not issued in time. The other one is delayed waiting for a part. Seems parts suppliers are a little touchy about selling anything to SAW....
One 145 was due to leave this morning, but the export C of A was not issued in time. The other one is delayed waiting for a part. Seems parts suppliers are a little touchy about selling anything to SAW....
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Why would you lease E190's?
Why?
When there is aircraft that can do the range and nearly 1/5th of the lease price is beyond me
Skystar 320,
you would know better,
a/c 255 was ordered last year,as well as others,deposits were paid,
and the aeroplane was built before skyair became skyground.
in fact there will more up to Dec 09
so its like ordering pizza,you cant change your mind at the last minute
when every thing was already painted in dilli colours.
you are wise to say that there are better things on the market,
but you know well E-Jets are the green killer planes of the future,
unlike Dash 8,F 100,Bae 146 and 737 classics.
and there are plenty of gulf agencies around to lease aeroplanes
to airlines on islamic finance.
Why?
When there is aircraft that can do the range and nearly 1/5th of the lease price is beyond me
Skystar 320,
you would know better,
a/c 255 was ordered last year,as well as others,deposits were paid,
and the aeroplane was built before skyair became skyground.
in fact there will more up to Dec 09
so its like ordering pizza,you cant change your mind at the last minute
when every thing was already painted in dilli colours.
you are wise to say that there are better things on the market,
but you know well E-Jets are the green killer planes of the future,
unlike Dash 8,F 100,Bae 146 and 737 classics.
and there are plenty of gulf agencies around to lease aeroplanes
to airlines on islamic finance.
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Well, it would seem that another chapter of the SkyAirWorld see-saw is coming to an end..
From all reports, Canberra pulled the pin on their Cocos contract this morning & has organized an alternative service (details to be released today, hopefully) until a new tender can be called!!!!!!!!!!
From all reports, Canberra pulled the pin on their Cocos contract this morning & has organized an alternative service (details to be released today, hopefully) until a new tender can be called!!!!!!!!!!
As of a few hours ago, the SAW website was modified to show all flights 'not available' - implying fully booked?
The next step is likely to be folding the tent and moving very far away, because (from the ASIC website):
Employee entitlement proceedings
It is an offence for anyone, including a director, to enter into an agreement or transaction with the intention of avoiding employee entitlements of a company. The maximum penalty is $110,000 or 10 years imprisonment, or both.
If the company is in liquidation and the employees suffer damage or loss as a result of a person entering into such an agreement or transaction, that person is liable to pay compensation for the loss suffered. This liability can arise even if the person has not been convicted of an offence for the contravention. A recovery action for compensation can be taken by the liquidator or, in certain circumstances, by an employee.
The next step is likely to be folding the tent and moving very far away, because (from the ASIC website):
Employee entitlement proceedings
It is an offence for anyone, including a director, to enter into an agreement or transaction with the intention of avoiding employee entitlements of a company. The maximum penalty is $110,000 or 10 years imprisonment, or both.
If the company is in liquidation and the employees suffer damage or loss as a result of a person entering into such an agreement or transaction, that person is liable to pay compensation for the loss suffered. This liability can arise even if the person has not been convicted of an offence for the contravention. A recovery action for compensation can be taken by the liquidator or, in certain circumstances, by an employee.
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Mach E Velli
They might be the rules but don't get your hopes up that they will enforce them ,cos this is ASIC your your talkin about . Just a bunch of Oxygen thiefs as far as I'm concerned.
The Dog
They might be the rules but don't get your hopes up that they will enforce them ,cos this is ASIC your your talkin about . Just a bunch of Oxygen thiefs as far as I'm concerned.
The Dog
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Cocos contract and jets offered to Virgin Blue?
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An Export Certificate of Airworthiness is not mandatory before departure. The aircraft can go without it but it means a bit more administration with the next national airworthiness authority when it is to be added to their registry. The main thing is the integrity of the 'dirty fingerprint' maintenance records.
If CASA are not satisfied that the aircraft are being maintained to ensure their continued airworthiness, then they may issue a direction (not to fly) or may act upon the current Certificate of Airworthiness.
M.P.
If CASA are not satisfied that the aircraft are being maintained to ensure their continued airworthiness, then they may issue a direction (not to fly) or may act upon the current Certificate of Airworthiness.
M.P.
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M1 Tr*vel of Leb*non are the owners of a/c sn 255,
it will then be leased to sky,as they have leased some to Fly B*BOO in the european alps.see airlinerlist.com
as MP says,any good airworthiness authority will want to see the full maintenance records before admitting that plane on their register.
so its more than a bit of administration,it is suspicion.
its like buying a car without a green slip.
this time its a machine worth $ 30 M.
ok the integrity of the dirty finger print records can be maintained
as it has been done on the fly by wire electrical looms.
but the original documents with the original finger prints can be made available for inspection to the new owners and reg agency anytime.
it will then be leased to sky,as they have leased some to Fly B*BOO in the european alps.see airlinerlist.com
as MP says,any good airworthiness authority will want to see the full maintenance records before admitting that plane on their register.
so its more than a bit of administration,it is suspicion.
its like buying a car without a green slip.
this time its a machine worth $ 30 M.
ok the integrity of the dirty finger print records can be maintained
as it has been done on the fly by wire electrical looms.
but the original documents with the original finger prints can be made available for inspection to the new owners and reg agency anytime.
Well, if it's true that they have lost the Cocos contract, they won't be needing s/n 255 from Lebanon. Maybe the $2 million that was set aside for the deposit and 1st month's operation could go towards paying off the staff and their missing superannuation. I know - in my dreams!
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Word on the street is that an appointed 'Grim Reaper' is coming to visit SAW over the next day or so.
Bye bye entitlements chaps.
Suggest you all line up at GEERS for your handouts.
Bye bye entitlements chaps.
Suggest you all line up at GEERS for your handouts.
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SAW ticket sales to Cocos & Christmas
Yes they did sell lots of tickets to residents & visitors over the past 2 weeks. Yet to see how Aussie Government will help tidy the mess they helped to create. Hope you guys do manage to get paid what you are owed.
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Nothing released however Attorney General have verbal agreement with new carrier to provide services from 03 April. Suspect it is the other E-190 operator in WA. Should have formal announcement by Friday / Monday latest.
Given that Karrartha & Newman may not need as many flights per week, suspect they have spare capacity. Have these"other" E190's the same ETOPS certification for PER-CCK direct ?
Given that Karrartha & Newman may not need as many flights per week, suspect they have spare capacity. Have these"other" E190's the same ETOPS certification for PER-CCK direct ?