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Old 9th Apr 2009, 10:35
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Good. Then the company is on the way to actually being a Premium airline
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Old 9th Apr 2009, 12:40
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Yes. Well said Jungle Juice.

I note with interest discussion around the potential loss of four 744s this year.

This loss together with our already reduced international flying capacity has the potential to create an enormous number of surplus crew in the QAL ranks.

How will this potential surplus be managed given the need to crew our newly arriving A380s against the unwillingness of QAL crew to voluntarily go anywhere near it??

Now that work choices is dead and buried along [metaphorically] with the fascist who created it, Qantas isn't in a position to use "operational reasons" to do what ever it wants.

Which BTW would have most certainly been to make redundant QAL at the same time as hiring en mass for QCCA..........

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Old 9th Apr 2009, 13:29
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ditch handle,
I agree and it's going to be a very interesting year ahead unless this economic crisis sorts itself out soon.If they get rid of the oldest or 'infamous' aircraft then there is less for us to work on.

The union might be able to get a better deal with the company to work on the 380 so more crew find it worthwhile.

This might sort itself out sooner than we all think and then the company will be scrambling to get more aircraft.
It's happened before
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Old 9th Apr 2009, 23:27
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In regard to losing 4 B744's this year, aren't we also meant to be getting 3 or 4 A380's this year. So if this is the case, then the fleet will stay about the same size. It may also mean they then need more people to crew the A380, so the conditions may change to make this attractrive for more staff to jump on board. I'm not a F/A so don't know the in's and out's of your contract.
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Old 9th Apr 2009, 23:31
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Rammel,

yes. I for one would like to see QF's hand forced.......

But then again doesn't anyone really want to work under John [email protected] [email protected]&%y
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Old 10th Apr 2009, 00:31
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The point being of course is that QF need QAL on the A380.

Quite simple. Stay away and force their hand.
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Old 10th Apr 2009, 00:42
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Originally Posted by A_B_P View Post
There are enough QCCA crew in 747 land still to move them over to A380. Which should make the QAL crew happy as they can keep their flying and won't have to come across.
If most QCCA crew are transferred to A380, then the most junior QAL will follow, because they will end up doing back to back JNB again just as it was before QCCA was born.
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Old 10th Apr 2009, 00:55
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"Management" are certainly hoping that'll be the case, eh Twiggs.

But does anyone really want to work under John E K?
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Old 10th Apr 2009, 01:22
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Ditch Handle I have to agree with you. He's a nightmare.
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Old 10th Apr 2009, 01:36
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.......and one of the chosen ones.
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Old 10th Apr 2009, 02:31
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Home

The A330 is my home.
Its a away from all this nonsense and bickering.
Fewer passengers,fewer crew,fewer problems
North south flying and very little jet lag.
Always a shock when on Reserve to find so much crap going on.
Mr.J.Elk should never have made into QF.Now he is a CSM.Illustrates just how flawed the promotional process is.
Women interviewing J.Elk.....he is so qute......vomit...more like a sociopath
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Old 10th Apr 2009, 03:14
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Quote- "more like a sociopath"
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It's human nature to be drawn towards and view favourably, like minded character traits in others.

Who does the CSM interviewing again????

I've got it on extremely good authority that AW has been overheard gushing to J El K-

"oh John......... if only all our CSMs could be like you"

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Old 10th Apr 2009, 06:46
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Any one else hear the rumour about the A380 CSM who instructed her paxing crew that while sitting in J/C they were not to consume any alcohol or wear any pyjamas, and then went ahead and did both of the above with the CSS in P/C?
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Old 10th Apr 2009, 07:23
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so whats the problem with this twiggs????

This is exactly text book Qantas management behaviour from the Mien Darth manual. That is, treat all subordinates with contempt and and follow the credo:

DO WHAT I SAY .....NOT DO WHAT I DO !!.

This worked a treat for Darth and his team . Now look at the debris that has been left in his wake-

.......a totally demoralised,jacked off,bunch of once loyal staff.

This CSM will please Miss Piggy

AJ has a real job on his hands trying to turn this ship around.

The course has been set, icebergs have been hit, we're taking on water , people are abandoning ship, the SS Rat is listing.

Will there be survivors???
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Old 10th Apr 2009, 08:48
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Originally Posted by stubby jumbo View Post
so whats the problem with this twiggs????
Um, that they got busted?
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Twiggs...what exactly is the problem with drinking alcohol while paxing?

Apart from what Stubby said.....

[QUOTEDO WHAT I SAY .....NOT DO WHAT I DO !!.[/QUOTE]
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And wouldn't wearing pyjamas help the paxing crew blend in with the rest of the punters? A group of 20 crew sitting in Business, in business attire, not drinking, without PJs would stand out like dog's balls!

What would each set of PJs be worth? $5?
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TL,

you appear to be looking for common sense where it clearly doesn't exist.
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you appear to be looking for common sense where it clearly doesn't exist.
The main problem is that there has always been the attitude that you are doing something wrong if your staff are happy....

Having a drink when paxing...god forbid....laughing when in QCC1 and note how many managers look at you as if you are some sort of criminal...make sure your pin kangaroo is at the right angle.....clause 11 if not.....

twiggs..I noticed you didn't answer my last question so I'll rephrase it...is it a problem that they got busted or is it a problem because they had a drink when paxing...(apart from the fact of acting like a goose and telling your crew not to...)

The office has always had a history of picking people for the job who are as well liked as a sore thumb and who have had a complete charisma bypass.
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