Qantas Link in Crisis again....now its for Captains!
Gidday burger',
I'm assuming your comments are an attempt at a "wind-up". If by chance you are not simply having a bit of fun, then your posts most definitely highlight the complete lack of understanding that non-pilots have of the profession, even after your 20 years in the industry!!
Some years ago a senior management type commented to me that crew meals were an unecessary perk. "I work 14 hours a day and eat my sandwiches at my desk", was his justification in attempting to extract "flexibility" from the pilot group. This is just one example of a divide that appears wider now than ever.
If you are indeed happy working your "ar_s off for poor money..." then you should continue to do so, otherwise may I suggest you invest an imense amount of time and money, get qualified, invest more time and money, get further qualified, accept that it may all be for naught, and if you are lucky join the ranks of the winging misrable mob that keep your aircraft flying safely!
Then, you may just have some idea of what these guys and girls are on about.
Have a nice day
I'm assuming your comments are an attempt at a "wind-up". If by chance you are not simply having a bit of fun, then your posts most definitely highlight the complete lack of understanding that non-pilots have of the profession, even after your 20 years in the industry!!
Some years ago a senior management type commented to me that crew meals were an unecessary perk. "I work 14 hours a day and eat my sandwiches at my desk", was his justification in attempting to extract "flexibility" from the pilot group. This is just one example of a divide that appears wider now than ever.
If you are indeed happy working your "ar_s off for poor money..." then you should continue to do so, otherwise may I suggest you invest an imense amount of time and money, get qualified, invest more time and money, get further qualified, accept that it may all be for naught, and if you are lucky join the ranks of the winging misrable mob that keep your aircraft flying safely!
Then, you may just have some idea of what these guys and girls are on about.
Have a nice day
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hi mate
yeh the crew meals were a wind up -i understand that you guys have invested a lot of money getting pilots licences but you have to start somewhere in the pecking order - the regionals are a good place to start - then after time if you are lucky enough to move to a larger airline well and good but is it the link's responsibility to get you the grand old job in qantas - me personally i could not think of a worse place to work than mainline - the regionals have the best people i have worked with - inc pilots, cabin crew and managers. granted, some management you wouldn't trust or have the time to speak too
remember - it was your decision to get a pilots licence - like me my decision to work in an office - but don't forget pilots are not the only people that work for an airline - i was saying your very lucky to to be given extra bonuses above and/or below board - office staff don't see those types of bonuses.
as said above, its the people that make the airline and these people make it a great place to work. Yes we have alot of new pilots coming thru - maybe without a lot of experience but in a few years they will have that (thks to qflink and their great training captains) and they they will be sitting beside you at mainline or the other aussie carriers - porbably talking about the same things we are - hehehehe
anyway, have a great new year and don't work too hard
remember - it was your decision to get a pilots licence - like me my decision to work in an office - but don't forget pilots are not the only people that work for an airline - i was saying your very lucky to to be given extra bonuses above and/or below board - office staff don't see those types of bonuses.
as said above, its the people that make the airline and these people make it a great place to work. Yes we have alot of new pilots coming thru - maybe without a lot of experience but in a few years they will have that (thks to qflink and their great training captains) and they they will be sitting beside you at mainline or the other aussie carriers - porbably talking about the same things we are - hehehehe
anyway, have a great new year and don't work too hard
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burger61
"..that work for an airline..."
Reminds me of a conversation with an ATC mate, 'chicken and egg' concept:
- no pilots, no fly, no need mechanics, no need ATC, no need people sitting in office etc,etc.
Pilots special?? no - but no pilots then no airline, lucky you have the office skills to move to....somewhere else.
happy '09 to all!
Cheers
galdian
"..that work for an airline..."
Reminds me of a conversation with an ATC mate, 'chicken and egg' concept:
- no pilots, no fly, no need mechanics, no need ATC, no need people sitting in office etc,etc.
Pilots special?? no - but no pilots then no airline, lucky you have the office skills to move to....somewhere else.
happy '09 to all!
Cheers
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Burger 61,
With all due respect, my 13 year old son just read your essays and can't believe that anybody that writes with such poor grammar and punctuation could even work in this industry! I really don't think you're in a position to be forming opinions about how pilots fly aircraft.
With all due respect, my 13 year old son just read your essays and can't believe that anybody that writes with such poor grammar and punctuation could even work in this industry! I really don't think you're in a position to be forming opinions about how pilots fly aircraft.
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hi kangaroo court
thanks for your return reply - if all you can come back with is grammar mistakes - hell i can take that on the chin - otherwise, looks like you have nothing constructive to say then or you need your son to help you read (hehehehe) - so why do you bother to reply on this topic
have a great 2009
have a great 2009
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hi galdian
very true mate - who did come first - but all i was meaning is its not all about pilots - many other areas of the flying business rely on each other to survive - same applies to pilots as well as all office staff - no finance guru's - no money being made no airline. (this is just one group)
have a great 2009 and happy flying
have a great 2009 and happy flying
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If Burger61 is the real "Burger", then he's a good bloke and a straight shooter.
The stuff I wrote is true and not "embellished" in any way. We tried our damn hardest to get the message across to Sidchrome House# on ways retain staff and overcome crewing problems.
Lots of nodding heads, but in the end these suggestions were ignored and sent off to the "round file". That pretty much said it all to me regarding management's commitment to both the company and its staff.
If I had stayed I would have received over $50k in retention payments, so, for me it was not just about the money. Qantaslink was no longer "my preferred employer" because of successive (EBA) reductions in lifestyle, no ongoing career path and no common respect for us (all staff) as individuals.
Many others feel the same. The results will be evident in the next few months.
The stuff I wrote is true and not "embellished" in any way. We tried our damn hardest to get the message across to Sidchrome House# on ways retain staff and overcome crewing problems.
Lots of nodding heads, but in the end these suggestions were ignored and sent off to the "round file". That pretty much said it all to me regarding management's commitment to both the company and its staff.
If I had stayed I would have received over $50k in retention payments, so, for me it was not just about the money. Qantaslink was no longer "my preferred employer" because of successive (EBA) reductions in lifestyle, no ongoing career path and no common respect for us (all staff) as individuals.
Many others feel the same. The results will be evident in the next few months.
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With all due respect, my 13 year old son just read your essays and can't believe that
You have to be kidding! I have seen all sorts of people in the Industry including Pilots who can’t even spell and use bad grammar, but that doesn’t change my opinion of their ability.
I question that your 13 year old son can spell and use correct grammar!
Good on you Burger, keep it coming.
I question that your 13 year old son can spell and use correct grammar!
Good on you Burger, keep it coming.
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It's okay for you to question. I happen to like that aspect of being Australian; look what happened in Germany during the 1930's when too many people agreed with one another.
Anyway, I'm glad to hear that Burger is a straight shooter and that his attempts to bring balance are being respected by his peers. At the end of the day it's all about being comfortable where you are..and obviously the people at Eastern that left were not.
I find it more than mildly amusing that his views on former aircrew have not garnered more criticism though.
Anyway, I'm glad to hear that Burger is a straight shooter and that his attempts to bring balance are being respected by his peers. At the end of the day it's all about being comfortable where you are..and obviously the people at Eastern that left were not.
I find it more than mildly amusing that his views on former aircrew have not garnered more criticism though.
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There is still a strong belief of people "left on the ground", which still includes airline ground staff, in the age old mythology that pilots are out there EVERY day having a GREAT time soaring among the clouds, laughing and chatting up the airline flight attendants, going to other far away places (even if only Tamworth or Gladstone!), while sipping on great cups of coffee. What a life pilots have!
The reason for this is impression is because the ground staff see us for about 1% of our duty day and what do they see? We come to work laughing and chatting away to one another and when they see us coming back in the door at the end of the day, they see us laughing and chatting away. Pilots have absolutely no reason to complain about anything. We have it all already.
I feel so bad about how good I have it, I should give my 3% pay increase back. How DO YOU contact payroll these days??!
The reason for this is impression is because the ground staff see us for about 1% of our duty day and what do they see? We come to work laughing and chatting away to one another and when they see us coming back in the door at the end of the day, they see us laughing and chatting away. Pilots have absolutely no reason to complain about anything. We have it all already.
I feel so bad about how good I have it, I should give my 3% pay increase back. How DO YOU contact payroll these days??!
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burger61
Using "finance guru's" as an example of essential airline staff is like fire departments having the need for arsonists. (Ansett, TWA, etc., etc., etc.,
Qantas a close call with GD and Allco last year,)
Try another department.
Using "finance guru's" as an example of essential airline staff is like fire departments having the need for arsonists. (Ansett, TWA, etc., etc., etc.,
Qantas a close call with GD and Allco last year,)
Try another department.
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burger61
Just went back to page 3 to read your comments there.
"cushy job"
Suggest you keep an eye on the BOM/radar website this summer. When you see the cells brewing, go ask your OPS Manager for the jumpseat to do the Sydney-Canberra 6 sectors.(or Brisbane - Emerald daily double in the afternoon.) (or Cairns -Weipa or Cairns - Horn daily double in the Wet Season or even try a cyclone ride with the fellows.) Then go and do it again in two days. Then do it again in acouple of days. Do it all summer long. Winter try 20-30Kt. crosswinds all day.
"cushy job" ......is yours. You have no idea what the job is like for an airline pilot. Even though you work for an airline and listen to the bullsh-t doesn't make you understand the job of flying an airliner.
Just went back to page 3 to read your comments there.
"cushy job"
Suggest you keep an eye on the BOM/radar website this summer. When you see the cells brewing, go ask your OPS Manager for the jumpseat to do the Sydney-Canberra 6 sectors.(or Brisbane - Emerald daily double in the afternoon.) (or Cairns -Weipa or Cairns - Horn daily double in the Wet Season or even try a cyclone ride with the fellows.) Then go and do it again in two days. Then do it again in acouple of days. Do it all summer long. Winter try 20-30Kt. crosswinds all day.
"cushy job" ......is yours. You have no idea what the job is like for an airline pilot. Even though you work for an airline and listen to the bullsh-t doesn't make you understand the job of flying an airliner.
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hi b55
mate - i have been in the jump seat during bad weather/clear weather/aircraft defects on several occasions - i have the greatest respect for the regional pilots as a lot of them are my mates, I know how great they fly and i trust them greatly whether clear skies or bad weather - but remember all your flying is not in bad weather every day - there are many days where you have nice sunny days, sipping coffee, reading the courier, chatting with the lovely young flighties (well not so much with the locked door policy) or the stupid doors on the Q400's - what I am saying is that a lot of the comments re this topic is probably written by people who do not work for the regionals and really don't know what is going on - poss only hear about things second hand.
anyway b55 - if you are a sunnies guy or were - you know who i am - come into my office, sit down and have a cry with me or if not - lets have a beer to discuss or just grab me in the crew room when i there talking with the guys and girls. I do know what a pilots life is like, i've been around them for 20yrs - many of these guys have been the best aviators around and would leave most for dead - miss ya magoo, duck, the keg, grimmers
re my job - no its not cushy all the time - i have to put up with the sick and injured a daily basis - but i do get a good kick out of my work life to know that i help people to get over their injuries and at the same time save our airline '000 of dollars a year in injuries and lost time
have a great 2009 and enjoy your flying
anyway b55 - if you are a sunnies guy or were - you know who i am - come into my office, sit down and have a cry with me or if not - lets have a beer to discuss or just grab me in the crew room when i there talking with the guys and girls. I do know what a pilots life is like, i've been around them for 20yrs - many of these guys have been the best aviators around and would leave most for dead - miss ya magoo, duck, the keg, grimmers
re my job - no its not cushy all the time - i have to put up with the sick and injured a daily basis - but i do get a good kick out of my work life to know that i help people to get over their injuries and at the same time save our airline '000 of dollars a year in injuries and lost time
have a great 2009 and enjoy your flying
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A person with an opinion deserves to be listened to!
A person with a positive comment is to be commended!
A person that questions "the positive"......I do not understand.
A person with a positive comment is to be commended!
A person that questions "the positive"......I do not understand.
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Yes - the crisis...
Well Sunnies just awarded about 16 commands, which should take them at least 6 months to train and get on line. By then there will still be heaps of FO's able to be upgraded. True, a few captains will leave next year when the retention bonus matures and their super funds get back into the black, but I think things will stabilise in the next few years. I can't see the sort of mining industry fuelled aviation boom happening for a few years to come yet.
p.s. did anyone notice the new ICUS rules in the FAM? FO's can log ICUS from the RHS when acting as PF with any line captain providing they have a command endorsement... Magic - just add water and you have dozens of captains ready to go - crisis solved!
Well Sunnies just awarded about 16 commands, which should take them at least 6 months to train and get on line. By then there will still be heaps of FO's able to be upgraded. True, a few captains will leave next year when the retention bonus matures and their super funds get back into the black, but I think things will stabilise in the next few years. I can't see the sort of mining industry fuelled aviation boom happening for a few years to come yet.
p.s. did anyone notice the new ICUS rules in the FAM? FO's can log ICUS from the RHS when acting as PF with any line captain providing they have a command endorsement... Magic - just add water and you have dozens of captains ready to go - crisis solved!
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We have been foqared and now we have been hossed and rooted!!!!!
Tidy up those approaches into sideney chaps your being watched. LOOK out for the bikini clad babesholding up the marker boards. To the point,the icus is in the fam and if you fall into that category then start pushing your barrow!GG
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Burg behave yourself your upsetting the pilots..
Tidy up those approaches into sideney chaps your being watched. LOOK out for the bikini clad babesholding up the marker boards. To the point,the icus is in the fam and if you fall into that category then start pushing your barrow!GG
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Burg behave yourself your upsetting the pilots..
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The FO still needs a command endorsement to log ICUS. Ask how many FOs have command endorsements in the crewroom? My guess, none.
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