Merged: Qantas:The Trashing Of A Brand
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Qantas Capital Raising
Qantas managment has further trashed the brand by going to the market to raise capital.The shares were trading at around $2.39.Mangement undermined this price by offering shares at a heavily dicounted $1.85.
Why did they need to go the market and why at that price?
When aircraft can cost around $250mil 500mil seems a small amount.
So lower the price to make QF more attractive for a merger or takeover?
Why did they need to go the market and why at that price?
When aircraft can cost around $250mil 500mil seems a small amount.
So lower the price to make QF more attractive for a merger or takeover?
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By converting to cash you have realized your losses and by now interest rates are so low you are making very little on your investments.
Certainly,interest rates are low now but it's still at present than investing in a market still jittery....my money is still making money not going backwards....
I go along with kotoyebe....if you think there are lots of opportunities then go for it....and buy Telstra 2 from him as well as QF but hang on why not Virgin Blue as well....and while we're at it I'm sure you could find someone who will still sell you shares in Ansett too.......as the saying goes there's one born every minute.
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Cabin Services and The Broom
Il Duce has attended a couple of Clause 11 cases in the Industrial Relations Commission and by all accounts he is unimpressed.
Many higher up have been been unimpressed by Cabin Services for some time.
Service on board the A380 is also under review
Expect the Broom to go through Cabin Services in the next few months.
The black widow to go.... along with some of her cohorts and the Fat Controller to go back to airports.
But.....will they be replaced by someone better.....or someone worse?
Can it get worse?
Many higher up have been been unimpressed by Cabin Services for some time.
Service on board the A380 is also under review
Expect the Broom to go through Cabin Services in the next few months.
The black widow to go.... along with some of her cohorts and the Fat Controller to go back to airports.
But.....will they be replaced by someone better.....or someone worse?
Can it get worse?
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Road show
Toddled off to the Road show today like a good little vegemite !
Guess what.. ....the whole chicken little, the sky is falling down routine that the previous CEO would trot out ad-nauseum has been dropped.
The Leprochaun was relatively upbeat, jovial and did not bore us with "the future is Orange" saga.
Sure, when we got to the global financial stuff the mood was more sobering, BUT this guy seems genuine and obviously considers the staff at QF are more than "something we just have to put up with"!
So far so good AJ.
I might even become ENGAGED if things keep heading this way.
The enema has also cleared out the EGM of People -gone this Friday.
My only issue now is that the new Coca Cola kid has a title of EGM-HR.
Is this name change for the sole reason that the former EGM is now eligible(legally) to score a redundancy ??????
Guess what.. ....the whole chicken little, the sky is falling down routine that the previous CEO would trot out ad-nauseum has been dropped.
The Leprochaun was relatively upbeat, jovial and did not bore us with "the future is Orange" saga.
Sure, when we got to the global financial stuff the mood was more sobering, BUT this guy seems genuine and obviously considers the staff at QF are more than "something we just have to put up with"!
So far so good AJ.
I might even become ENGAGED if things keep heading this way.
The enema has also cleared out the EGM of People -gone this Friday.
My only issue now is that the new Coca Cola kid has a title of EGM-HR.
Is this name change for the sole reason that the former EGM is now eligible(legally) to score a redundancy ??????
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Luchtime Libations
Got into the lift to sign on at 13.30.Held the lift door open for this middle aged women.Next thing I know she has reached over and started straightening my tie babbling on about image.Her breathe indicated a little too much giggle juice during lunch.
Talk about image.A middle aged woman half tanked at 1.30 in the day is not a good look.
The invasion of my personal space and fiddling with my tie was not acceptable.
Do that on the aircraft and it would be three concurrent clause 11s.
Hypocrisy.We go to work with a couple under the belt and we are history.
They get splashed at lunchtime and its ok.
Should have been quicker and had her tested
Talk about image.A middle aged woman half tanked at 1.30 in the day is not a good look.
The invasion of my personal space and fiddling with my tie was not acceptable.
Do that on the aircraft and it would be three concurrent clause 11s.
Hypocrisy.We go to work with a couple under the belt and we are history.
They get splashed at lunchtime and its ok.
Should have been quicker and had her tested
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Do that on the aircraft and it would be three concurrent clause 11s.
If you leant across and straightened her collar while talking about image,she would have had you for sexual harassment and if you suggested that she might have been drinking you would be lucky if they ONLY took your staff travel away.
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Sounds like the lady was just being friendly.
Boys and Girls
this is another example (number 6 million) of do as I say and not as I do.
Their idea of friendly is smiling at you as they hand you a clause 11
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I think you are being a bit sensitive boys.
Kelly...it might be a bit different in J* but personal space is exactly that and what would you do in a lift if a middle aged guy with booze on his breath leant over and adjusted your collar and said something about appearance.....
what would you do in a lift if a middle aged guy with booze on his breath leant over and adjusted your collar and said something about appearance.....
I would feel a little uncomfortable as I'm a bloke. As for things "being a bit different in Jetstar" - we are all Australians right?
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Some are More Equal Than Others
QF Cabin Services Managment is out of balance.....not one "bloke" in the hierarchy.This why an under the weather middle age woman can invade the personal space of a male F/A.As has been mentioned if a middle aged bloke did that to a woman all hell would break loose.
At Qantas equality is gender specific.
95% of all Clause 11s have been applied to males with over 20 years service and in Division 1 or 2 Superannuation.Fit into this demographic and you are a target.
Lets not hear any rubbish about chauvinistic dinosaurs.
Here in Qantas we have reverse chauvinism...the Hags and handbags rule the roost...again equality is gender specific
At Qantas equality is gender specific.
95% of all Clause 11s have been applied to males with over 20 years service and in Division 1 or 2 Superannuation.Fit into this demographic and you are a target.
Lets not hear any rubbish about chauvinistic dinosaurs.
Here in Qantas we have reverse chauvinism...the Hags and handbags rule the roost...again equality is gender specific
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In all fairness the example of which we were talking is indicative of the demise of the brand.We are trying to point out the double standards which manifest themselves everytime we have dealings with the office...
The mechanics of that office are symptomatic of what is happening elsewhere in the company and this pervades through to the brand....and it's perception to the public.These issues are at the heart of the problem the company faces.
Although I thought kellykelpie was/is a woman given the nickname he/she is apparently a pilot with either Jetstar Asia or Jetstar and so this is not another Cabin Crew bitch fest as you put it.....but I can understand your angst and appreciate your patience.
Thanks
In all fairness the example of which we were talking is indicative of the demise of the brand.We are trying to point out the double standards which manifest themselves everytime we have dealings with the office...
The mechanics of that office are symptomatic of what is happening elsewhere in the company and this pervades through to the brand....and it's perception to the public.These issues are at the heart of the problem the company faces.
Although I thought kellykelpie was/is a woman given the nickname he/she is apparently a pilot with either Jetstar Asia or Jetstar and so this is not another Cabin Crew bitch fest as you put it.....but I can understand your angst and appreciate your patience.
Thanks
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Trashed Inside and Outside
The public trashing of the brand and the internal disengagement of staff have the same root cause:Management.
Cabin Services is run by incompetent females and their handbags.There is very little male influence.Indeed the women running the show see a certain male demographic as supporting a particular type of negative culture.A culture they continue to deride.It was this culture that made Qantas what it was in the 70s and 80s.
The public perception declines as this culture is eroded.If this continues Qantas will provide little more than a winged bus service.
Talk to any QF pilot and you will hear of women who are unqualified running flight ops.
Address the imbalance Mr. Joyce
Cabin Services is run by incompetent females and their handbags.There is very little male influence.Indeed the women running the show see a certain male demographic as supporting a particular type of negative culture.A culture they continue to deride.It was this culture that made Qantas what it was in the 70s and 80s.
The public perception declines as this culture is eroded.If this continues Qantas will provide little more than a winged bus service.
Talk to any QF pilot and you will hear of women who are unqualified running flight ops.
Address the imbalance Mr. Joyce
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1995
Just remember when it all started, "1995" the arrival of the "BOWTIE" with his "handbags"
and it has gone downhill since then.
Pilots had 89 CC had 95
Would the last straight male CC at QF L/H please pick up a 6 pack and his fishing rod whilst kicking a "CAT" on his way out.
and it has gone downhill since then.
Pilots had 89 CC had 95
Would the last straight male CC at QF L/H please pick up a 6 pack and his fishing rod whilst kicking a "CAT" on his way out.
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I find it funny that if you wear lipstick and/or take part in the annual Oxford street parade you are welcome but if you're male,straight,married and have kids you are almost treated as if you're a leper....the lipstick/handbag mafia is in control.
It used to be homophobia that was obvious in society but with this group it is "straightphobia" that is the problem.....
It used to be homophobia that was obvious in society but with this group it is "straightphobia" that is the problem.....