Virgin ponders Bali
I wouldn't knock Garuda, personally. Just went up to indo and back on them, and really couldn't fault it. Would even fly them again. Good flight, good onboard product and great service and very few problems at a price much cheaper than on QF.
On the safety side, they've learnt a lot from Yogyakarta and have best practices safety systems in place. The real problem is the Indonesian authorities which is why all Indonesian airlines are not able to fly to Europe.
Also, the reaction of GA to put more capacity on Bali seems to indicate that people are still willing to fly them. Good on them for meeting the demand, I say. It makes good business sense.
On the safety side, they've learnt a lot from Yogyakarta and have best practices safety systems in place. The real problem is the Indonesian authorities which is why all Indonesian airlines are not able to fly to Europe.
Also, the reaction of GA to put more capacity on Bali seems to indicate that people are still willing to fly them. Good on them for meeting the demand, I say. It makes good business sense.
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Good service does not equate to a good airline.
I am quite sure that Garuda haven't finished crashing just yet. They still haven't got the safety culture lesson.
I would steer clear of them, and as it is now Ramadan, doubly so.
Indonesia has been averaging one airline prang per month, two in Ramadan. We just had a 737-200 off the end at Jambi, we are due for one more before Eid.
I am quite sure that Garuda haven't finished crashing just yet. They still haven't got the safety culture lesson.
I would steer clear of them, and as it is now Ramadan, doubly so.
Indonesia has been averaging one airline prang per month, two in Ramadan. We just had a 737-200 off the end at Jambi, we are due for one more before Eid.
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I couldn't get that gig at "Q" tunedog.
I know to much about what some of the seniors did when they were still wetting their pants at TAA.
The stains never come out.
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I know to much about what some of the seniors did when they were still wetting their pants at TAA.
The stains never come out.
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Good service does not equate to a good airline.
I am quite sure that Garuda haven't finished crashing just yet. They still haven't got the safety culture lesson.
I would steer clear of them, and as it is now Ramadan, doubly so.
Indonesia has been averaging one airline prang per month, two in Ramadan. We just had a 737-200 off the end at Jambi, we are due for one more before Eid.
I am quite sure that Garuda haven't finished crashing just yet. They still haven't got the safety culture lesson.
I would steer clear of them, and as it is now Ramadan, doubly so.
Indonesia has been averaging one airline prang per month, two in Ramadan. We just had a 737-200 off the end at Jambi, we are due for one more before Eid.
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Garuda and Bali
AS stated previously by others, GA is servicing the market by increasing services, QF is not. Bring on VB and introduce more competition to the market, that is what we need.
There are not too many markets departing Australia that don't have more than two carriers (QF and the airline of the country it flies to). To have QF, VB and GA all competing will ensure that us travellers get to have a decent choice. If GA is crap then people will vote with their feet.
VB would be smart to start up a BNE service, there is none at present and the JQ attempt will probably lose out as people will probably prefer to fly direct rather than via DWN. VB should also consider Adelaide. No Bali services since GA pulled out in 06. First mover advantage will ensure VB have the market.
The other good thing about VB starting Indonesian services is that I think it won't be too long before other Indonesian carriers start exploiting the bali - Australia routes. Air Asia and Lion Air all have plenty of aircraft on order and will be looking to tap into the most lucrative routes between Indo and Australia.
Someone else posed the question about AirNorth services to Bali from DWN. I do wonder if QF will continue codeshare and I also wonder how pissed off AirNorth are if Jetstar are competing direct with them.
There are not too many markets departing Australia that don't have more than two carriers (QF and the airline of the country it flies to). To have QF, VB and GA all competing will ensure that us travellers get to have a decent choice. If GA is crap then people will vote with their feet.
VB would be smart to start up a BNE service, there is none at present and the JQ attempt will probably lose out as people will probably prefer to fly direct rather than via DWN. VB should also consider Adelaide. No Bali services since GA pulled out in 06. First mover advantage will ensure VB have the market.
The other good thing about VB starting Indonesian services is that I think it won't be too long before other Indonesian carriers start exploiting the bali - Australia routes. Air Asia and Lion Air all have plenty of aircraft on order and will be looking to tap into the most lucrative routes between Indo and Australia.
Someone else posed the question about AirNorth services to Bali from DWN. I do wonder if QF will continue codeshare and I also wonder how pissed off AirNorth are if Jetstar are competing direct with them.
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Bali = Cheap holiday for the family. Where else can one go and sit on a tropical beach, drink $1 beer, eat very cheap and very good food and have a great vacation? The local Balinese are great and rely on our $$$.
No matter what you want to do you can do it in Bali, from the romantic holiday, adventure holiday, trip with the lads, diving, surfing, etc. You name it you can do it.
max autobrakes I hope you are wrong.
No matter what you want to do you can do it in Bali, from the romantic holiday, adventure holiday, trip with the lads, diving, surfing, etc. You name it you can do it.
max autobrakes I hope you are wrong.
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"I think airnorth will do well to compete on this route now that jetstar are on it ."
Yes, especially with another Bunsen-burner on the way for them shortly, it's good to have a choice of product and frequency flexibility.
Yes, especially with another Bunsen-burner on the way for them shortly, it's good to have a choice of product and frequency flexibility.
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I don't get you sometimes, Skystar. The E170 is a lovely aircraft to fly from a pax perspective. All the punters I speak to prefer them over 737s/F100s and they sh** all over Dash 8s/F50s!
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I don't get you sometimes, Skystar. The E170 is a lovely aircraft to fly from a pax perspective. All the punters I speak to prefer them over 737s/F100s and they sh** all over Dash 8s/F50s!
Give me a 146 anyday
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I would think that AN aren't silly enough to compete with J* on the route. There will be a few moans from the regulars, especially in regard to seating, the E170 has plenty of leg room compared to the A320/B737.
Its strange isn't, the NT Government are pouring taxpayers money into J* to help it set up, while AN has successfully financed its aircraft without going to the Government for assistance.
The government aviation advisor has done well, Virgin were paid to start the ASP service, which ceased when the money ran out, then Tiger collected more cash and forced Bruni to cease services. When competition came from J*, Tiger quickly pulled out.
Its strange isn't, the NT Government are pouring taxpayers money into J* to help it set up, while AN has successfully financed its aircraft without going to the Government for assistance.
The government aviation advisor has done well, Virgin were paid to start the ASP service, which ceased when the money ran out, then Tiger collected more cash and forced Bruni to cease services. When competition came from J*, Tiger quickly pulled out.
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Yet another political frustration for Airnorth but I wouldn't worry too much about their future. They've been battling the oppositions mysterious contract tenders well before even National Jet managed to undercut Airnorth's Metro 23 submission with a Dash 8 -300 on a particular route many moons ago. They'll fight on. It's surprising that the general public don't kick up a fuss though. If, as stated above, their tax contributions are only retaining these LCC until 'the money runs out'. As for Guruda being rated as a good airline because of its 'good service'... Well, I'm one of the minority nowadays who puts most of the credence of a 'good' airline in what's going on behind that locked door up the front. The rest is mostly window dressing.
Good service does not equate to a good airline.
Of course not, and I wasn't suggesting that it was representative of their safety approach.
The whole safety culture thing will take time to work through, but full credit to the current CEO who made the safety policy his first priority when he was appointed. Sure, Yogya happened on his watch but that was down to the pilot of the day, and the copilot should have followed precedent and made the go-around. They've now put in place stronger procedures and training to ensure that PNF's do actually take control when the aircraft are not stabilised below 1000ft.
Point is to say, compared to Lion or some of the other airlines - and yes I have flown within Indo - I'd rather go with Garuda, not only for the service but for the stronger safety standards there than elsewhere.
Of course not, and I wasn't suggesting that it was representative of their safety approach.
The whole safety culture thing will take time to work through, but full credit to the current CEO who made the safety policy his first priority when he was appointed. Sure, Yogya happened on his watch but that was down to the pilot of the day, and the copilot should have followed precedent and made the go-around. They've now put in place stronger procedures and training to ensure that PNF's do actually take control when the aircraft are not stabilised below 1000ft.
Point is to say, compared to Lion or some of the other airlines - and yes I have flown within Indo - I'd rather go with Garuda, not only for the service but for the stronger safety standards there than elsewhere.
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EBT you are correct. I have flown quite a bit within Indo and believe me Garuda is one of the better ones. Sure it has its problems but trust me no one is really watching the other airlines. Garuda is being watched closer than ever by foreign regulators. Garuda knows this and they are responding....taking time but still rsponding.