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The only people permitted into the sterile area are AFP officers!!
NSW Police in uniform or otherwise are NOT permitted into the sterile area / aircraft etc while carrying weapons....
Begs the question of why he was stopped at Gold Coast but permitted through Syd.
NSW Police in uniform or otherwise are NOT permitted into the sterile area / aircraft etc while carrying weapons....
Begs the question of why he was stopped at Gold Coast but permitted through Syd.
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Are you saying that the NSW Police assigned to the airport, of which there are now a large number, are unarmed in the sterile area?
If they are, what use are they?
Wunwing
Are you saying that the NSW Police assigned to the airport, of which there are now a large number, are unarmed in the sterile area?
If they are, what use are they?
Wunwing
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PEDODATA, if you made a call to BASI (ATSB?) anonymously or otherwise regarding aircraft security - you probably wasted a phone call. It has nothing to do with their office and in true public service fashion they probably would have shrugged it off. Dept of Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Govt (formerly DOTARS), Office of Transport Security, are the people you want. Ph 1300 307288 24/7.
I think maggot might be closest to the correct answer as to how this occurred.
Police are not required to be screened in order to enter a sterile area. Whether there is a mechanism in place to check that the officer in question is entering the area in the line of duty as opposed to travelling as a passenger is something that probably has the powers that be scratching their heads at the moment.
If indeed Mr/Ms plod deliberately used their postion in order to evade compliance with the regulation regarding screening then there are some serious concerns here.
Regulation 4.10 Persons taken to be cleared at a screening point without being screened
For paragraph 41(2)(b) of the Act, the following persons may pass though a screening point without being screened:
(a) a law enforcement officer who produces his or her identity card as a law enforcement officer.
(b) screening officer.....
(c) an abulance, rescue or fire service officer......
(d) member of the Defence Force who is responding to an event......
In the meantime for the rest of us. Keep your ASIC displayed correctly, remove any and all items that can be construed by security nazis as being a threat to an aircraft, take off your shoes, belt, watch, wedding ring and whatever else as you go through screening to your aircraft. God forbid you could ever be in a positon to take control of an aircraft.
I know for a fact OTS people do browse these pages but as for them taking anything on board and making changes to the regs to reflect common sense and practicality - forget it! They have the govt and travelling public right where they want them - scared.
I think maggot might be closest to the correct answer as to how this occurred.
Police are not required to be screened in order to enter a sterile area. Whether there is a mechanism in place to check that the officer in question is entering the area in the line of duty as opposed to travelling as a passenger is something that probably has the powers that be scratching their heads at the moment.
If indeed Mr/Ms plod deliberately used their postion in order to evade compliance with the regulation regarding screening then there are some serious concerns here.
Regulation 4.10 Persons taken to be cleared at a screening point without being screened
For paragraph 41(2)(b) of the Act, the following persons may pass though a screening point without being screened:
(a) a law enforcement officer who produces his or her identity card as a law enforcement officer.
(b) screening officer.....
(c) an abulance, rescue or fire service officer......
(d) member of the Defence Force who is responding to an event......
In the meantime for the rest of us. Keep your ASIC displayed correctly, remove any and all items that can be construed by security nazis as being a threat to an aircraft, take off your shoes, belt, watch, wedding ring and whatever else as you go through screening to your aircraft. God forbid you could ever be in a positon to take control of an aircraft.
I know for a fact OTS people do browse these pages but as for them taking anything on board and making changes to the regs to reflect common sense and practicality - forget it! They have the govt and travelling public right where they want them - scared.
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And what about the training of the flight attendants? There is a lot of BS taught to these people at intake training,but obvoiusly nothing about a pax walking on board with a six gun on his hip !! The training department of the airline needs a big kick up the backside to start getting their priorities right.
Should have been stopped by the boarding staff or the FA greeting gun toting copper at aircraft door.
As for police walking through xray armed- see it quite regularly. No-one stops them. At minimum there should be an ASIC swipe machine at security so their I.Ds could be detected as genuine or fraudulent instantly.
And let's not forget the not so rigid security measures below the terminal, outside the flying publics view.
As for police walking through xray armed- see it quite regularly. No-one stops them. At minimum there should be an ASIC swipe machine at security so their I.Ds could be detected as genuine or fraudulent instantly.
And let's not forget the not so rigid security measures below the terminal, outside the flying publics view.
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[QUOTE][Are you saying that the NSW Police assigned to the airport, of which there are now a large number, are unarmed in the sterile area?
If they are, what use are they?
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Thats the Role of AFPPT- Protective services. not the NSW Police.
Only the SFPPT officers are permitted to carry firearms into the Sterile Area of an Airport.
If they are, what use are they?
/QUOTE]
Thats the Role of AFPPT- Protective services. not the NSW Police.
Only the SFPPT officers are permitted to carry firearms into the Sterile Area of an Airport.
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Rotaryman,
I looked at that part of the regs too and thought maybe this is where the confusion has arisen for screening staff. Whilst it says, as you pointed out, that only SFPPT officer can carry firearms, the regs don't say that police cleared under regulation 4.10 must not be carrying firearms.
Well that's my take on it anyway.
I looked at that part of the regs too and thought maybe this is where the confusion has arisen for screening staff. Whilst it says, as you pointed out, that only SFPPT officer can carry firearms, the regs don't say that police cleared under regulation 4.10 must not be carrying firearms.
Well that's my take on it anyway.
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I know for a fact OTS people do browse these pages but as for them taking anything on board and making changes to the regs to reflect common sense and practicality - forget it! They have the govt and travelling public right where they want them - scared.
I'll let you in on a secret: there is no threat! Again, slowly: there is no threat. Because if there was, it would certainly have manifested itself by now, with all the holes that we all know are there.
I'm afraid this is how life is going to be from now on folks. Get used to it. Sit back and enjoy the show I say.
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would not a police officer be covered under the "exempt class of person" or similar wording, which would invoke some sort of authority, which would be covered similarly under the state legislation somewhere in turn invoking the power to do whatever??
As for a reason for the person traveling - could have been stationed at/near OOL (ie Kingscliff, NSW - not even 10 minutes down the road from OOL) before transferring to the big smoke .. and may have an outstanding court matter which was being heard in the court at Tweed Hds. which is even closer to OOL.
As for a reason for the person traveling - could have been stationed at/near OOL (ie Kingscliff, NSW - not even 10 minutes down the road from OOL) before transferring to the big smoke .. and may have an outstanding court matter which was being heard in the court at Tweed Hds. which is even closer to OOL.
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How do you know Constable Plod wasn't a nutter? How do you know the poor bloke had'nt just interviewed Belinda Neal and was suffering from spitting and swearing in his face? He could have totally lost it, when the bad coffee arrived. Bring back the DC3's when you could take yer gun, rifle and the dead pig you shot, on board! Im over all this crap, the bloke probably had a prisoner with him, the gun would not be loaded (I imagine) and let me remind you the PILOTS used to wear side arms in TAA and QF in New Guinea. Bring back the days when people were not frightened of their own shadow! Im not in a good mood, I backed the Blues!
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Moniker,
That is where the confusion lies. The regs clear police to enter the area without screening but elsewhere it refers to only the skygods being allowed to carry firearms. The regs should be more specific in this regard.
Having said that, it still doesn't address the more serious issue of the cop taking his side arm on board the aircraft. What was he/she thinking?
That is where the confusion lies. The regs clear police to enter the area without screening but elsewhere it refers to only the skygods being allowed to carry firearms. The regs should be more specific in this regard.
Having said that, it still doesn't address the more serious issue of the cop taking his side arm on board the aircraft. What was he/she thinking?
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Even when escorting a person in custody a copper is not permitted to be armed in the aircraft.
I've not seen much on the TV on this but think I saw an x-ray image showing his weapon in a brief case. If correct, this would explain why boarding staff were unable to prevent the weapon being carried on board.
I've not seen much on the TV on this but think I saw an x-ray image showing his weapon in a brief case. If correct, this would explain why boarding staff were unable to prevent the weapon being carried on board.
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Yes the weight of the average RPT Jet hmmm v's the weight of a cops sidearm. Both can be operated with the persons digit finger and both attached fingers are screened however Bris stalin stan screeners believe one finger can inflict greater injury than the other. Thats why the cop got through. simple really.
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I ask again why are large numbers of NSW Police assigned to the airport if they aren't armed. There have been a number of newspaper articles here in recent times discussing how the NSW Police have not managed to reach the agreed staffing levels at SYD airport. If they are involved in airport security which surely would have them armed airside, what are they doing, looking after the carpark?
Wunwing
I ask again why are large numbers of NSW Police assigned to the airport if they aren't armed. There have been a number of newspaper articles here in recent times discussing how the NSW Police have not managed to reach the agreed staffing levels at SYD airport. If they are involved in airport security which surely would have them armed airside, what are they doing, looking after the carpark?
Wunwing
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Rotaryman is wrong. NSW Police- and others of the states and territories in Australia are absolutely permitted to carry their firearm airside of the security screening point. They certainly aren't permitted to carry it on board.
If the copper was carrying his firearm in a briefcase then this is a big red flag to any security screener (worth their money) that the copper is probably intending on traveling. Therefore it would require the question to be asked. We're back to square one. Was the copper asked the question? If not then the training of the screener and/or competency of the screener is inadequate. If the copper was asked the question and lied about it then they're up for a pretty hefty fine in my book.
It'll be interesting to see how this pans out.
If the copper was carrying his firearm in a briefcase then this is a big red flag to any security screener (worth their money) that the copper is probably intending on traveling. Therefore it would require the question to be asked. We're back to square one. Was the copper asked the question? If not then the training of the screener and/or competency of the screener is inadequate. If the copper was asked the question and lied about it then they're up for a pretty hefty fine in my book.
It'll be interesting to see how this pans out.