Say NO to 457 visas.
Can I get a job in the US as a Union rep, then apply to SouthWest later?
NO
Because that's what this arguements about, not whether I'm hypocritical or not, maybe I am for taking a job 14 years ago after the majority already here voted ok, come on up. Did I did help to lower the wages bar of Pilots around the world because I accepted the job with the blessing of the local Union?
But the majority in Australia haven't voted, ok come on down.
The real issue is "should Australia let in foreign labour to do a job that we could do if they paid a proper wage to attract the people into the Industry in the first place."
Lets vote then, let the majority decide.
NO
Because that's what this arguements about, not whether I'm hypocritical or not, maybe I am for taking a job 14 years ago after the majority already here voted ok, come on up. Did I did help to lower the wages bar of Pilots around the world because I accepted the job with the blessing of the local Union?
But the majority in Australia haven't voted, ok come on down.
The real issue is "should Australia let in foreign labour to do a job that we could do if they paid a proper wage to attract the people into the Industry in the first place."
Lets vote then, let the majority decide.
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ACMS-boy, you sure are an angry little powder monkey!You even called me 'Sonny Jim'! Patronising, or what?
So, what were the chances of me ever even obtaining said Aussie right-to-work as a pilot before the job was de-listed? None, right? As I said, protectionist all the way.
Desmo-moronic-FYI, I am an airbus left-seater, 2000 on type- apology accepted anytime.
So, what were the chances of me ever even obtaining said Aussie right-to-work as a pilot before the job was de-listed? None, right? As I said, protectionist all the way.
Desmo-moronic-FYI, I am an airbus left-seater, 2000 on type- apology accepted anytime.
Of course you are sir tora, dost thou have four gold bars in addition to your thy bus and an invite to the house of lords aswell? Wilst thou subject thyself to the scrutinies of the dept in order to scabbify thyself for a pittance?
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I never thought I'd say this but great idea Desmotronic... Jetstar should hire a bunch of "painters" who fly aircraft when there is nothing that needs painting... 
Good to see you are approaching the acceptance stage.
so now it's o.k. to move out of Australia and take a job (so long as it's 14 years ago... i.e. It was ok for me, but not now, now it's a crime) but you can't have someone now come to Australia for a job (unless it's to paint your crapper)..
When I see Australian pilot's advocating a ban on Australian citizen's working as pilot's overseas's I'll agree with you're desire to deny non-citizen's the right to work as pilot's when sponsored by a company.
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not whether I'm hypocritical or not, maybe I am for taking a job 14 years ago
so now it's o.k. to move out of Australia and take a job (so long as it's 14 years ago... i.e. It was ok for me, but not now, now it's a crime) but you can't have someone now come to Australia for a job (unless it's to paint your crapper)..
When I see Australian pilot's advocating a ban on Australian citizen's working as pilot's overseas's I'll agree with you're desire to deny non-citizen's the right to work as pilot's when sponsored by a company.
All right..........good for you.
And you lot in the EU aren't protectionist then?
I certainly can't get a job there, unless I marry into a right to work.
Do you think BA or VS will sponsor me a job if they can't get anyone to fly their light twins for peanuts? Or do you think the people and Unions in the UK might just object? ( including you)
Because you'd have every right to object and I would support you 100%.
It's not double standards, it's looking after your own Nationals first. If your own don't want the job at any money and there is a real shortage then open it up to foreigners.
Isn't that what most countries do, even the EU ( as one country per say )
And you lot in the EU aren't protectionist then?
I certainly can't get a job there, unless I marry into a right to work.
Do you think BA or VS will sponsor me a job if they can't get anyone to fly their light twins for peanuts? Or do you think the people and Unions in the UK might just object? ( including you)
Because you'd have every right to object and I would support you 100%.
It's not double standards, it's looking after your own Nationals first. If your own don't want the job at any money and there is a real shortage then open it up to foreigners.
Isn't that what most countries do, even the EU ( as one country per say )
Sorry, Desmo old chap, don't understand your banter!
Probably because ACMS thinks I'm Japanese.......
Probably because ACMS thinks I'm Japanese.......
Mate I wouldn't be in HK if SUPPLY ( of locals ) EXCEEDED DEMAND would I? I suggest I'd be home by now, and fair enough too.
That's my arguement, SUPPLY in Australia still exceeds DEMAND.
We CAN SUPPLY ALL the required Pilot's without needing to look O/S for them. We are going round in circles my friend. You in 1 corner and me in another.............
IF YOU CAN PROVE NO PILOT WANTS THE JOBS AT REX, VB, JQ, QLink, Tiger, etc etc even for gold bars then you have my total support and can recruit from South America if that's what you need.
THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF QUALIFIED PILOTS IN OZ.
That's my arguement, SUPPLY in Australia still exceeds DEMAND.
We CAN SUPPLY ALL the required Pilot's without needing to look O/S for them. We are going round in circles my friend. You in 1 corner and me in another.............
IF YOU CAN PROVE NO PILOT WANTS THE JOBS AT REX, VB, JQ, QLink, Tiger, etc etc even for gold bars then you have my total support and can recruit from South America if that's what you need.
THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF QUALIFIED PILOTS IN OZ.
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Originally Posted by ACMS
That's my arguement, SUPPLY in Australia still exceeds DEMAND.... THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF QUALIFIED PILOTS IN OZ.
I'm surprised ACMS that you'd be going against union claims asking for better pay and conditions. But hey, if supply exceeds demand. That from a man in China.
But regardless.. why does it matter.. in Dec 07 you said
Originally Posted by ACMS (Dec 07)
My Pay and COS are between CX the AOA and ME. What he thinks doesn't matter two hoots.
Originally Posted by ACMS
We CAN SUPPLY ALL the required Pilot's without needing to look O/S for them.
So why did Cathay need to lower their wages AND take foreign workers? Seems to go against what you are arguing...
Thats right elasticity of supply and demand just like lollipop ladies and bus drivers. BTW frozo who are these pommie's and yankie's on centre, do they know what a GAAP sounds like?
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Originally Posted by Desmotronic
Thats right elasticity of supply and demand just like lollipop ladies and bus drivers. BTW frozo who are these pommie's and yankie's on ml centre, do they know what a GAAP sounds like
I wasn't aware that an accent altered your understand of Australian procedures. How do you go with NATRACKS (presuming you have an Australian accent?!)
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ACMS
Thanks for turning a perfectly good thread into a Chest Thumping ACMS Sideshow...
QantasLink and Jetstar are infact recruiting people at the same rates (+) of what ordinary Australians are currently working for (I suggest you read post #19 again).
Why are you not having a GO at your countrymen who still fly for Jetstar and QantasLink? According to your arguments they are also screwing the system up, aren't they..?
In life you are either a Pragmatist or an Idealist.
Idealists (read ACMS) belong in Politcs while Pragmatist make good Business Men/Women and Entrepreneurs.
Please check your CX Schedule now, think its time for your next Anger Management Session...
Thanks for turning a perfectly good thread into a Chest Thumping ACMS Sideshow...
By the way,,,,,,,,,,when I joined CX on B scales it was AFTER the A scalers voted NOT to object to it.
Why are you not having a GO at your countrymen who still fly for Jetstar and QantasLink? According to your arguments they are also screwing the system up, aren't they..?
In life you are either a Pragmatist or an Idealist.
Idealists (read ACMS) belong in Politcs while Pragmatist make good Business Men/Women and Entrepreneurs.
Please check your CX Schedule now, think its time for your next Anger Management Session...
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I would just like to correct the very first post on this thread. The Visa's for the All Nippon Pilots in the 1990's were NEVER cancelled. I should know as I was one of them. I now work in Japan with about 50 Ozzie pilots, all earning LESS than the locals. Go figure
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