Merged: QANTASLINK Crewing Crisis!
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The same way that Resource Industry skilled labour numbers are maintained; with adequate remuneration.
Didn’t Rex have a spare $16 million lying around from last financial year? Qantas with $100+ Million?
Didn’t Rex have a spare $16 million lying around from last financial year? Qantas with $100+ Million?
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"People choose to work for this airline because of its status in the market place, its proven track record, and exposure to jet opportunities."
So now they've stooped even lower by telling lies! Shows just how desperate they are becoming.
That's no lie, Qantaslink pilots have always had exposure to jets, just not ones owned by Qantas....
"People choose to work for this airline because of its status in the market place, its proven track record, and exposure to jet opportunities."
So now they've stooped even lower by telling lies! Shows just how desperate they are becoming.
That's no lie, Qantaslink pilots have always had exposure to jets, just not ones owned by Qantas....
and exposure to jet opportunities
They're not lying! They forgot to post the link though...
http://www.virginblue.com.au/AboutUs/Careers/index.htm
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The same way that Resource Industry skilled labour numbers are maintained; with adequate remuneration.
Helping the resource industry keep the impact of those periods down to the minimal levels, of course, is the enormous amount of money that that industry has to throw around.
Do the airlines have that kind of money to throw around?
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Are Australians able to be employed and work in RSA? If not, why not.
This has resulted in Polish, English, Irish etc. ATC's now frequenting the airwaves - if that answers your question.
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FGD135 asks whether the airlines have the kind of loot that the resources sector has. I think it was a rhetorical question. Somewhere else I saw that NJS pay their captains about $150k. That seems about ball-park for what's involved. Anyone can't live on that here seriously needs to either find a less expensive wife/boat/farm etc or head overseas.
Are pilot salaries at Rex and Sunnies etc fair? Probably not, but conditions in the regionals here are still better than at the same level in the USA. From one who has sampled the delights of regional work there.
Come the next downturn, who knows whether the two main Oz regionals will survive, whether or not there is a pilot shortage, whether they pay them 50K or 250K? Even without a downturn we could see Sunnies work totally farmed out to the likes of NJS. We could yet see Virgin start smaller routes with another AOC holder as well. If they played it right with small regional jets or decent turboprops they could wipe Rex out and nick half of the Qantas regional work overnight. Because we don't have the dreaded scope clauses that the Yanks suffer with there is nuthin' pilot groups can do about this, either. Bottom line is, will airline managements be moved to significant pilot wage increases just because there is a shortage? I doubt it.
Are pilot salaries at Rex and Sunnies etc fair? Probably not, but conditions in the regionals here are still better than at the same level in the USA. From one who has sampled the delights of regional work there.
Come the next downturn, who knows whether the two main Oz regionals will survive, whether or not there is a pilot shortage, whether they pay them 50K or 250K? Even without a downturn we could see Sunnies work totally farmed out to the likes of NJS. We could yet see Virgin start smaller routes with another AOC holder as well. If they played it right with small regional jets or decent turboprops they could wipe Rex out and nick half of the Qantas regional work overnight. Because we don't have the dreaded scope clauses that the Yanks suffer with there is nuthin' pilot groups can do about this, either. Bottom line is, will airline managements be moved to significant pilot wage increases just because there is a shortage? I doubt it.
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ACMS (If yr still here) Yr obvioulsy passionate about what you feel is the problem as a whole (yr entitled to yr opinion as we all are) but why pedal it so hard here? I don't always agree with the Mods but they have the biggest 'stick' in the playground of life here. Sure there are many that will read yr strong posts but 99% are probably like me, just an employee & who has little in the way of power to change anything drastically. We would need total solidarity to do that with strong unions (to alter the path of wrong here) & that we will never see again in this country (see results of WW3). All we can do is look after ourselves the best we can in an economic climate that is self destructing. Yr dead an awfully long time I believe so why hasten it?
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Somewhere else I saw that NJS pay their captains about $150k. That seems about ball-park for what's involved. Anyone can't live on that here seriously needs to either find a less expensive wife/boat/farm etc or head overseas.
If you have a fair size mortgage, with interest rates as high they are take off another big chunk. Private health insurance, pay it or pay the Medicare levy instead.
Seen how much fuel and food has gone up recently ?
Trying to give your children a good start with private school ?
Buying a reasonable car, having a holiday ?
A $150k salary these days for someone trying to buy a house and raise a family in a capital city is nothing special.
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Do the airlines have that kind of money to throw around?
Experienced Pilots now are becoming a finite resource and the newbies just aren’t signing up in enough numbers. If you don’t believe me then have a read here.
The International Federation of Air Line Pilots Associations, which represents pilots' labour unions, has calculated that, simply on the basis of the aircraft industry's order backlog, there is a need for a net increase of between 55,000 and 75,000 new pilots globally.
That is the makings of a tight labour market if I ever saw one. There are a few essential ingredients that make up an airline, or the industry as a whole – Aircraft, Fuel, Pilots, Engineers and ATCs. You can’t run an airline without any of them full stop. That also goes for cabin crew, ops staff, reservations, management etc, but here is the kicker. Pilots, Engineers and ATCs all take time to train. Not months but years. All the other staff can be replaced or added within weeks or less.
What this means is that ‘He who has the staff, wins’. If there isn’t enough Pilots to go around then it becomes a bidding war with what’s left.
Just the appearance of Australian and Indian recruiters in South Africa has already driven up market wages there too. So much for finding "cheap" foreign crew.
Market forces don’t care if Pilot wages are fair or not. They just influence what they will be; and in the near future they will be high. It’s a great time to be a Pilot.
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You'll be happy to know that Sunnies crew got a text message apologising for the rosters being late from some knowone has ever heard of. Only thing is that our rosters were out Thurs night (although very incomplete and subject to daily change). What hope have we got. I assume the message was meant for eastern crew.
You'll be happy to know that Sunnies crew got a text message apologising for the rosters being late from some knowone has ever heard of. Only thing is that our rosters were out Thurs night (although very incomplete and subject to daily change). What hope have we got. I assume the message was meant for eastern crew.
No the text message was meant for Sunstate crew, but just the Canberra base. So once again the Canberra base has been Easternised by management. Rosters are supposed to be out on Monday if we're lucky
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Off the track here, but can anyone out there (who is in the know) give me some insight into command upgrades with QL?
I am seriously considering the move there (involves the whole lifestyle choice and getting back into civilization). I have 4000 tt 1000 multi 1500 com turbine. Currently flying comm multi turbine. Wife is fed up with my current overnight arrangements, as too am I.....
What time frame would I seriously be looking at before getting a look at a command slot??
I am seriously considering the move there (involves the whole lifestyle choice and getting back into civilization). I have 4000 tt 1000 multi 1500 com turbine. Currently flying comm multi turbine. Wife is fed up with my current overnight arrangements, as too am I.....
What time frame would I seriously be looking at before getting a look at a command slot??