Pilots stabbed whilst airborne
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Pakeha-Boy I think the material is quite immaterial. Some of the plastic knives I've used for in-flight meals cut much better than some of the metal ones.
If someone has a bad intent, they can turn anything into a weapon, be that a bottle of wine, a plastic cutlery or even a plastic card or a pen.
If someone has a bad intent, they can turn anything into a weapon, be that a bottle of wine, a plastic cutlery or even a plastic card or a pen.
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QUOTE...."do you want me to go on?"
nah mate ...please dont....you sound bloody boring already!!!!
no ****e sherlock,......tell you what ...ILL stab you with one of our old plastic knives that bend like my .ol-fella.....then Ill stab you with one of our new steel knives....and well see the difference .........if you cant see the difference and the point I was trying to make .........then....then.....****e ,think Ill have another beer and cry in it
nah mate ...please dont....you sound bloody boring already!!!!
no ****e sherlock,......tell you what ...ILL stab you with one of our old plastic knives that bend like my .ol-fella.....then Ill stab you with one of our new steel knives....and well see the difference .........if you cant see the difference and the point I was trying to make .........then....then.....****e ,think Ill have another beer and cry in it
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a single use gun (several barrels) can be all non steel.
Can't say I've ever heard of such a thing. And if such a thing does exist, I certainly would'nt want to shoot one!!
Back to topic...
a single use gun (several barrels) can be all non steel. Sound a bit too much like something out of Hollywood Flying Binghi.
Can't say I've ever heard of such a thing. And if such a thing does exist, I certainly would'nt want to shoot one
Can't say I've ever heard of such a thing. And if such a thing does exist, I certainly would'nt want to shoot one
Not hollywood - We have some very interesting gun designers here in QLD Australia.
Would you believe there is a gun being designed that has several bullets loaded in the one barrel at the same time, that can be sequentialy fired - now that is real hollywood stuff.
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Eight Ace,
Can't speak for Air National, but I've worked for AirNZ Link on the B1900 and now the ATR72, and can't say I've had any personal security training at all. The closest would be an hour long discussion, if that during my DG & Aviation Security training which is 2 yr recurrency. The Aviation Security side of the course is the hour long discussion.
Even now they are moving towards on-line DG recurrency so doubtful I get any substantial Security training in the future, unless last weeks events change the plans.
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Can't speak for Air National, but I've worked for AirNZ Link on the B1900 and now the ATR72, and can't say I've had any personal security training at all. The closest would be an hour long discussion, if that during my DG & Aviation Security training which is 2 yr recurrency. The Aviation Security side of the course is the hour long discussion.
Even now they are moving towards on-line DG recurrency so doubtful I get any substantial Security training in the future, unless last weeks events change the plans.
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Nothing in life is free and I'm sure the pax and crew on that flight would have no objection to added security that would have prevented that woman from bringing any sharp object onto the flight or prevented her from gaining access to the pilots.
After 9/11 I saw an interview with head of security with El Al.They asked him what he would do if he was flying and saw an attacker threatening to harm a passenger if the flight deck door was not opened.
He stated the obvious and that was opening the flight deck door would only endanger the entire aircraft.
It is obvious that we cannot close off the pilots on every aircraft but with pax screening to it is a start.
Nothing in life is free and I'm sure the pax and crew on that flight would have no objection to added security that would have prevented that woman from bringing any sharp object onto the flight or prevented her from gaining access to the pilots.
After 9/11 I saw an interview with head of security with El Al.They asked him what he would do if he was flying and saw an attacker threatening to harm a passenger if the flight deck door was not opened.
He stated the obvious and that was opening the flight deck door would only endanger the entire aircraft.
It is obvious that we cannot close off the pilots on every aircraft but with pax screening to it is a start.
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I also saw that El Al interview on CNN.
He is the only person who has ever made any sense (to me) on aviation security matters... guess the results speak for themselves.
Interesting to watch how they are now portraying the " stabber " on the Air Nat flight as the victim..
He is the only person who has ever made any sense (to me) on aviation security matters... guess the results speak for themselves.
Interesting to watch how they are now portraying the " stabber " on the Air Nat flight as the victim..
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Without wanting to get too far off topic, of course the stabber was going to be seen as a victim....that's the way this politically correct world is going. No-one is responsible for their own actions anymore. It is always someones else's fault and up to someone else, usually the government or a white pill, to fix it.
Whilst the bad old days of mental institutions had their problems, perhaps society in general was safer before "troubled" (read mentally deranged or mentally ill) people were released into the community without sufficient support services.
The number of nutters (sorry if this is seen as a derogatory term) wandering around is just silly, and there is nothing to stop them getting onto planes, driving cars etc where they put more than just themselves at risk.
I don't want to sound like I am being too cruel to the mentally ill (hell, does that make me politically correct?), but there are some people who would be much better off, as would society in general, if they were confined to a padded cell.
Rant over.
Whilst the bad old days of mental institutions had their problems, perhaps society in general was safer before "troubled" (read mentally deranged or mentally ill) people were released into the community without sufficient support services.
The number of nutters (sorry if this is seen as a derogatory term) wandering around is just silly, and there is nothing to stop them getting onto planes, driving cars etc where they put more than just themselves at risk.
I don't want to sound like I am being too cruel to the mentally ill (hell, does that make me politically correct?), but there are some people who would be much better off, as would society in general, if they were confined to a padded cell.
Rant over.
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Quote DC..."of course the stabber was going to be seen as a victim"
....and I cant wait for that type of attitude to change..
..so now I sit in front of a Kevlar,bullet proof door,pack heat,and train for hijack situatons.......so what really is my job???
....and I cant wait for that type of attitude to change..
..so now I sit in front of a Kevlar,bullet proof door,pack heat,and train for hijack situatons.......so what really is my job???
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Well I guess it was only a matter of time.
Air fares to rise after hijack attempt
By staff writers
February 25, 2008 10:03am
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PASSENGERS passing through small airports in New Zealand are likely to pay more in fares after the attempted hijacking of a commuter plane.
After the incident aboard the 19-seater Eagle Airways flight from Blenheim to Christchurch in the South Island on February 8, Prime Minister Helen Clark said some tightening of security was inevitable.
The plane's two pilots and a passenger were injured by a knife-wielding passenger in the incident.
At present, passenger screening and X-rays of cabin baggage are carried out only on flights carrying 90 or more people.
A spokesman for Transport Minister Annette King said Cabinet would decide what measures to impose tomorrow, the New Zealand Press Association reported.
Security staff were likely to carry out random bag searches but cabin baggage would not be X-rayed, he said.
Passengers are likely to pay for any new measures, with Miss Clark previously saying any tightening of security was likely to be recouped on a user-pays basis.
Somali refugee Asha Ali Abdille, from Blenheim, has been charged with attempted hijacking, wounding, and injuring with intent to injure.
She allegedly pulled out a knife on the Air New Zealand flight and demanded to be taken to Australia.
The flight landed safely in Christchurch
Air fares to rise after hijack attempt
By staff writers
February 25, 2008 10:03am
Article from:
</IMG>PASSENGERS passing through small airports in New Zealand are likely to pay more in fares after the attempted hijacking of a commuter plane.
After the incident aboard the 19-seater Eagle Airways flight from Blenheim to Christchurch in the South Island on February 8, Prime Minister Helen Clark said some tightening of security was inevitable.
The plane's two pilots and a passenger were injured by a knife-wielding passenger in the incident.
At present, passenger screening and X-rays of cabin baggage are carried out only on flights carrying 90 or more people.
A spokesman for Transport Minister Annette King said Cabinet would decide what measures to impose tomorrow, the New Zealand Press Association reported.
Security staff were likely to carry out random bag searches but cabin baggage would not be X-rayed, he said.
Passengers are likely to pay for any new measures, with Miss Clark previously saying any tightening of security was likely to be recouped on a user-pays basis.
Somali refugee Asha Ali Abdille, from Blenheim, has been charged with attempted hijacking, wounding, and injuring with intent to injure.
She allegedly pulled out a knife on the Air New Zealand flight and demanded to be taken to Australia.
The flight landed safely in Christchurch
And yet another pollie pulls an idea from a**e
Cabinet is today to consider a report on aviation security following the attempted hijacking of a small plane earlier this month.
The Sunday Star-Times yesterday said the confidential briefing paper would recommend passengers flying on commuter planes with at least 19 seats would be screened.
Currently, passengers on planes with fewer than 90 seats do not undergo x-ray screening.
The proposal has been prompted by the attempted hijacking of an Eagle Air – a subsidiary of Air New Zealand – flight from Blenheim to Christchurch on February 8.
Asha Abdille, 33, appeared in Christchurch District court on Friday on 11 new charges relating to the incident, including threatening to kill, possessing an offensive weapon, and taking a dangerous weapon on to an aircraft.
She was previously charged with hijacking the aircraft and wounding injuring the pilots and a passenger.
Abdille was remanded in custody under the Mentally Impaired Persons Act until next month.
Mr Williamson today said the idea behind anything involving transport was "safety at reasonable cost".
He said the Government needed to weigh up the cost of x-ray screening every passenger on a small plane against the risk of such an attempted hijacking happening again.
"I just think it's over the top, sledgehammer to crack a nut stuff and my advice to the Cabinet this morning is just make sure you're very careful. . .to consider what the costs are."
An alternative would be putting doors in small planes between the pilots and the passengers that the pilots could lock, as was the case with larger planes, he said.
This could be done at far less cost than x-ray screening passengers.
Mr Williamson said the road toll could be brought down from around 400 a year to zero if the speed limit was reduced to 5kph.
"You'd wreck the economy, the country would be completely bankrupt and we'd be sort of out of existence but at least you wouldn't have any deaths on the road.
"Now, the reason why we tolerate around 400 deaths on the road is that, and I know it's a ghastly sentence to use, but it's safety at reasonable cost and I think it would be unreasonable cost that is being advocated here to accommodate a one-off, isolated incident," he said.
Another typical Pollie shooting from the hip. I would doubt if Beechcraft, BAe and Fairchild would even consider an STC for a reinforced cockpit door, or the addition of a Cabin Crew member to supervise pax now that the Pilots are locked away in the flight deck! Oh by the way you now have a 18 seater as the crew take up the extra seat.
The Sunday Star-Times yesterday said the confidential briefing paper would recommend passengers flying on commuter planes with at least 19 seats would be screened.
Currently, passengers on planes with fewer than 90 seats do not undergo x-ray screening.
The proposal has been prompted by the attempted hijacking of an Eagle Air – a subsidiary of Air New Zealand – flight from Blenheim to Christchurch on February 8.
Asha Abdille, 33, appeared in Christchurch District court on Friday on 11 new charges relating to the incident, including threatening to kill, possessing an offensive weapon, and taking a dangerous weapon on to an aircraft.
She was previously charged with hijacking the aircraft and wounding injuring the pilots and a passenger.
Abdille was remanded in custody under the Mentally Impaired Persons Act until next month.
Mr Williamson today said the idea behind anything involving transport was "safety at reasonable cost".
He said the Government needed to weigh up the cost of x-ray screening every passenger on a small plane against the risk of such an attempted hijacking happening again.
"I just think it's over the top, sledgehammer to crack a nut stuff and my advice to the Cabinet this morning is just make sure you're very careful. . .to consider what the costs are."
An alternative would be putting doors in small planes between the pilots and the passengers that the pilots could lock, as was the case with larger planes, he said.
This could be done at far less cost than x-ray screening passengers.
Mr Williamson said the road toll could be brought down from around 400 a year to zero if the speed limit was reduced to 5kph.
"You'd wreck the economy, the country would be completely bankrupt and we'd be sort of out of existence but at least you wouldn't have any deaths on the road.
"Now, the reason why we tolerate around 400 deaths on the road is that, and I know it's a ghastly sentence to use, but it's safety at reasonable cost and I think it would be unreasonable cost that is being advocated here to accommodate a one-off, isolated incident," he said.
Another typical Pollie shooting from the hip. I would doubt if Beechcraft, BAe and Fairchild would even consider an STC for a reinforced cockpit door, or the addition of a Cabin Crew member to supervise pax now that the Pilots are locked away in the flight deck! Oh by the way you now have a 18 seater as the crew take up the extra seat.
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Ah, well...
Here we go, as predicted earlier, the knee-jerk reaction. Although, I must admit, this reaction was delayed for a considerable length of time. It must be election year.
It still amazes me that the powers that be are still running a (primarily) reactive approach to security. Risk analysis tells us that the risk has always been present but, until now, no-one has 'done' it. The same applies here as to hijackings in the 1960's ("Fly me to Cuba") and, dare I say it?, 9/11. The risk was always there, was probably identified prior to the event, but the risk was considered too low/too expensive to do anything positive about until it happened. How often have we heard the phrase "That's never happened before"?
As is often the case, the flight deck door has been closed after the Somali refugee has allegedly attacked (to misquote an old saying). Yes, the woman needs help/guidance, but where in this PC country is she going to get it?
Cynical? Moi?
Le Vieux
It still amazes me that the powers that be are still running a (primarily) reactive approach to security. Risk analysis tells us that the risk has always been present but, until now, no-one has 'done' it. The same applies here as to hijackings in the 1960's ("Fly me to Cuba") and, dare I say it?, 9/11. The risk was always there, was probably identified prior to the event, but the risk was considered too low/too expensive to do anything positive about until it happened. How often have we heard the phrase "That's never happened before"?
As is often the case, the flight deck door has been closed after the Somali refugee has allegedly attacked (to misquote an old saying). Yes, the woman needs help/guidance, but where in this PC country is she going to get it?
Cynical? Moi?
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yeah, nothing like a fresh faced basic training recruit with a styer to make me scared that's for sure. I wonder how many a/c we'd lose with unlawful discharges per annum?