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"No screening for smaller commuter aircraft at regional ports"... etc etc
Australia (mainland
) went through all this argument some years back and what came out was the catch-phrase "it's all about affordable safety". 
Well, until one of these bureaucrats themselves or a close relative is harmed by these rules/non screening, my guess is nothing will change here...
The security at most airports, has alot of holes in it (worldwide) and is over the top in some places, to the exclusion of more important things... ie scanning for knives (aka this incident) instead of the fascination with scanning for liquids etc.
The "big picture" of safety can easily be lost and has already in many ports.
(Love the shot of Mr T, Blueloo
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Australia (mainland
) went through all this argument some years back and what came out was the catch-phrase "it's all about affordable safety". Well, until one of these bureaucrats themselves or a close relative is harmed by these rules/non screening, my guess is nothing will change here...
The security at most airports, has alot of holes in it (worldwide) and is over the top in some places, to the exclusion of more important things... ie scanning for knives (aka this incident) instead of the fascination with scanning for liquids etc.
The "big picture" of safety can easily be lost and has already in many ports.
(Love the shot of Mr T, Blueloo
)
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Anyone remember when the last major security breach was on a regular passenger service?
Unfortunately you cannot catch them all but making them wander through the X-Ray machine wouldn't hurt.
Reckon it'll hurt consumer confidence in the domestic airlines very badly? my relatives don't particualry like getting on the small ones in the first place.
Unfortunately you cannot catch them all but making them wander through the X-Ray machine wouldn't hurt.
Reckon it'll hurt consumer confidence in the domestic airlines very badly? my relatives don't particualry like getting on the small ones in the first place.
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Without deviating from the thread title too much, Chocks quite rigtly wrapped it with the comment that the big picture regarding security is often lost.
- just stand back and watch the slf go through any screening point and count the inconsistencies. Seems that for all the pollie banter and the mega dollars spent it appears that there is neither a basic standard nor a common level of calibration.
F'instance I had a 'full & frank' debate with the screening supervisior at PER a few months ago. This high intensity professional believed that it was perfectly normal for the woman in front of me to pass her huge chunky jewellery made from what looked like plumbing fixtures around the detector along with her supersize cup of juice and child's pram complete with nappy bag...........and if that logic is not bad enough the operator actually stepped over and wheeled the pram around the detector for her.
and at SYD domestic last week - a very helpful man at the screening point suggested very loudy that I and another crew member walk through the 'other' detector as [quote] "it is not as sensitive as this one"........ A number of pax in front and behind me obviously heeded his advice and immediately swapped lines!
I'm sure we could fill a dozen pages with examples but it all comes back to the fact the security big picture is often a little blurry.....or should that be myopic?.......
- just stand back and watch the slf go through any screening point and count the inconsistencies. Seems that for all the pollie banter and the mega dollars spent it appears that there is neither a basic standard nor a common level of calibration.
F'instance I had a 'full & frank' debate with the screening supervisior at PER a few months ago. This high intensity professional believed that it was perfectly normal for the woman in front of me to pass her huge chunky jewellery made from what looked like plumbing fixtures around the detector along with her supersize cup of juice and child's pram complete with nappy bag...........and if that logic is not bad enough the operator actually stepped over and wheeled the pram around the detector for her.
and at SYD domestic last week - a very helpful man at the screening point suggested very loudy that I and another crew member walk through the 'other' detector as [quote] "it is not as sensitive as this one"........ A number of pax in front and behind me obviously heeded his advice and immediately swapped lines!
I'm sure we could fill a dozen pages with examples but it all comes back to the fact the security big picture is often a little blurry.....or should that be myopic?.......
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Buster ...I have seen a couple of pics if kiwichick.........there is a slight resemblence, but there is no P51 tatoo on her back, so it can't be!
lucky for her.....we could have been mistaken!!!!
J
Clearly she is head down and ar$e up at the RNZAF.....or there would have been a post or too by now!
lucky for her.....we could have been mistaken!!!!
J
Clearly she is head down and ar$e up at the RNZAF.....or there would have been a post or too by now!
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The security industry is rubbing it's hands with glee at this one.
I wonder how Chubb or Group 4 will go trying to recruit screening officers in Wiluna?
I wonder how Chubb or Group 4 will go trying to recruit screening officers in Wiluna?
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but there is no P51 tatoo on her back, so it can't be
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Kwick, launch the RNZAF fighters to deal with national security - you know, the fighter fleet that all other countries have on stand-by ready to shoot down a hijacked aircraft......no wait, ....oops no RNZAF - bugger!
....so how long will it take for the ex Kiwi knucks in their F-18s take to get to the scene from Willy..
..don't forget to say sorry to Dick whilst holding at Nobby's though.
....so how long will it take for the ex Kiwi knucks in their F-18s take to get to the scene from Willy..
..don't forget to say sorry to Dick whilst holding at Nobby's though.
Anyone remember when the last major security breach was on a regular passenger service?
Only recently, last weekend the papers were running stories about a person who was auditing security, he walked through with a hand gun and it wasn't picked up. That happened at several ports. (major ports)
The reality is all sorts of items get through, the saving grace is that the person who has control of the item doesn't intend using them as weapons.
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TV3 coverage
TV3 just opened their coverage of the 'hikacking attempt' with Geoff Hampton(spelling) outside Christchurch airport.
A part of his recap of the days events he, in an award winning moment, stated the women made a "grab for the joystick".
Then later, reporting the women had demanded the plane go to Australia, added "I don't think it would have enough AvGas on board".
That can be forgiven, but a joystick?! Come on man!
Look for bulletin on 3news.co.nz
PS: I'm first joystick holder of the day tomorrow too. Must ensure there's enough AvGas in the tanks! I'd like to see the big GE running on 172 fuel!
A part of his recap of the days events he, in an award winning moment, stated the women made a "grab for the joystick".
Then later, reporting the women had demanded the plane go to Australia, added "I don't think it would have enough AvGas on board".
That can be forgiven, but a joystick?! Come on man!
Look for bulletin on 3news.co.nz
PS: I'm first joystick holder of the day tomorrow too. Must ensure there's enough AvGas in the tanks! I'd like to see the big GE running on 172 fuel!
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John Campbell
Oh and John Campbell promoting his show, standing in front of a Q300 saying "I've just travelled on this plane and had no security check" even more proof that the media really are f 
ing muppets when it comes to covering anything aviation!
Lets take bets for how long it will be before there's a Government committee setup to investigate "flying security and airport checks in NZ".
ing muppets when it comes to covering anything aviation!Lets take bets for how long it will be before there's a Government committee setup to investigate "flying security and airport checks in NZ".
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..........yet again another 'horse' has bolted before something is done............I guess that's the way humans react.............let's not do too much 'till 'after the event' !
I love the way that nothing gets done 'till AFTER it happens. That not only applies to aviation either ! The road toll is out of control for Eg, oh then best we (the GOVT) do something about it over say the next 5 yrs !! Humans need protecting, from themselves !
Where lucky here that this crazed woman didn't complete what she probably wanted to. But next time & there will be a next time they (the pilots & pax) my not be so lucky!
Best wishes to those involved. Congrats to the drivers
CW
I love the way that nothing gets done 'till AFTER it happens. That not only applies to aviation either ! The road toll is out of control for Eg, oh then best we (the GOVT) do something about it over say the next 5 yrs !! Humans need protecting, from themselves !
Where lucky here that this crazed woman didn't complete what she probably wanted to. But next time & there will be a next time they (the pilots & pax) my not be so lucky!
Best wishes to those involved. Congrats to the drivers
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Easy solution, really. Hog tie all pax before boarding and have a few air marshals on each Jetstream looking like Mr T and wearing scary uniforms with "Security R Us" emblazoned on them. Problem over.