Pilots stabbed whilst airborne
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Hello,
Various news agencies report different details about the aircraft and the incident.
By the photos it is ZK-ECN which shows up on internet searches as a BAE Jetstream 31.
However TV one in NZ says it is a Beechcraft. Eagle Air also only says they run Beechcraft 1900s
NZ Herald refers to it as a Jetstream 32 (presumably a variant on the 31)
This anomaly, plus the various 'two bombs found on board' versus 'two knives found' or 'several cuts on the pilot's hand' versus 'severe cuts on the pilots hand' lead me to believe that news organizations are perhaps not reliable.
Does anyone have actual information?
Thanks
Various news agencies report different details about the aircraft and the incident.
By the photos it is ZK-ECN which shows up on internet searches as a BAE Jetstream 31.
However TV one in NZ says it is a Beechcraft. Eagle Air also only says they run Beechcraft 1900s
NZ Herald refers to it as a Jetstream 32 (presumably a variant on the 31)
This anomaly, plus the various 'two bombs found on board' versus 'two knives found' or 'several cuts on the pilot's hand' versus 'severe cuts on the pilots hand' lead me to believe that news organizations are perhaps not reliable.
Does anyone have actual information?
Thanks
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The Jestream is ....
... a J32 operated by Air National who have five in total.
It was being used by Air New Zealand LinkEagle Airways - Air National do a lot of work for Eagle using J32's and a DHC8-100.
Eagle has a fleet of 18 1900D's themselves.
As for comment on news media not being reliable ... don't get any of us joystick holders started!
It was being used by Air New Zealand LinkEagle Airways - Air National do a lot of work for Eagle using J32's and a DHC8-100.
Eagle has a fleet of 18 1900D's themselves.
As for comment on news media not being reliable ... don't get any of us joystick holders started!
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GE + AvGas
Not written well.
Longish story but flew a PT6 engined twin over 400 miles back home once - over water the whole way - on lubed up AvGas.
Ran a bit hot but was fine! 
Though I was running a tiny bit. Much trust for Messrs Pratt and Whitney but wasn't 100% on the quality of the AvGas!! 
I've seen a vid of the big GE running on water! 5 ton of water a minute flowing through it??!!
Longish story but flew a PT6 engined twin over 400 miles back home once - over water the whole way - on lubed up AvGas.
Ran a bit hot but was fine! Though I was running a tiny bit. Much trust for Messrs Pratt and Whitney but wasn't 100% on the quality of the AvGas!! I've seen a vid of the big GE running on water! 5 ton of water a minute flowing through it??!!
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I don’t think we will ever stop these idiots boarding aircrafts but at least put cockpit doors instead of curtains on all commuter aircraft that have aisles. At least that way they’ll stop attacking the pilots! or more seriously enter the cockpit an aim the plane towards a crowded stadium.
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i thought my passengers were a pain .......
Apparently one pilot with hand wounds ,the other was stabbed in the foot ......
and wanted to go to Australia ......
Obviously she had nt thought this plan through ..hehe..
and wanted to go to Australia ......Obviously she had nt thought this plan through ..hehe..
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As a lowly slf, my feeling is that additional security on the non-jet domestic routes is unnecessary.
It strikes me that these security breaches are pretty rare here in NZ, and that the cost / hassle / 'jobsworths pissing us off' factor is not worth it.
Like the avsec guy said, the same incident could have happened on a train / bus / ferry just as easily and no-one is clamouring for security on the Interislander..
Having grown up in Europe, I think its great relief not have go through security all the damn time.
Cheers
James
It strikes me that these security breaches are pretty rare here in NZ, and that the cost / hassle / 'jobsworths pissing us off' factor is not worth it.
Like the avsec guy said, the same incident could have happened on a train / bus / ferry just as easily and no-one is clamouring for security on the Interislander..
Having grown up in Europe, I think its great relief not have go through security all the damn time.
Cheers
James
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Like the avsec guy said, the same incident could have happened on a train / bus / ferry just as easily and no-one is clamouring for security on the Interislander..
The train driver gets killed, the train stops.. eventually.. or can be made to stop from the outside.
The bus driver is killed, the bus hits a lamp post, it stops.
The ferry crew, are incapacitated... the ferry still floats, there is time to get people off or a marine pilot on..
The aircrew are killed.. the plane crashes, everyone dies on board and a few people unlucky on the ground..
I think theres a little more at stake with an aircraft...
I think theres a little more at stake with an aircraft
N.Z. - a place where many roads are attached to the side of mountains.
Disgruntled coach (bus) PAX cuts drivers throat - then steers still moveing coach off side of mountain. 50+ dead.
Ferry boat
Disgruntled PAX overcomes helmsman when near docking - ferry taken at max speed into dock. Including a possible fire, who knows the fatalitie count - including amongst those standing on the dock.
The avsec guy is spot on.
Theres only more at stake in an aircraft if you value an A/C PAX life more highly then a Bus/Boat PAX life - or if you happen to be on it your self.
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Flying Binghi....
As we talked about on the other thread I don't think you understand the psychology involved in an aircraft incident.
I have no argument at all about the value of life regardless of the circumstance.However,there is something about aviation that conjurs up an image still to this day no matter how safe air travel is.
How many crew were killed when the space shuttle disasters happened?
What happens when an aircraft such as the 777 in Heathrow makes a spectacular landing and with no fatalities but is on the headlines for days.PPrune itself nearly fell over with the sheer volume of hits on it's web site.....
But.....How many people will die on the roads this weekend around the world and will barely be mentioned in the press......
As we talked about on the other thread I don't think you understand the psychology involved in an aircraft incident.
I have no argument at all about the value of life regardless of the circumstance.However,there is something about aviation that conjurs up an image still to this day no matter how safe air travel is.
How many crew were killed when the space shuttle disasters happened?
What happens when an aircraft such as the 777 in Heathrow makes a spectacular landing and with no fatalities but is on the headlines for days.PPrune itself nearly fell over with the sheer volume of hits on it's web site.....
But.....How many people will die on the roads this weekend around the world and will barely be mentioned in the press......
Lowerlobe,
I agree with you there.
And I still think we pilots need to point out that aircraft are not the only way to get killed... spread the load, so to speak - probably what the avsec guy was doing (whats an 'avsec' guy by the way)
there is something about aviation that conjurs up an image still to this day no matter how safe air travel is.
And I still think we pilots need to point out that aircraft are not the only way to get killed... spread the load, so to speak - probably what the avsec guy was doing (whats an 'avsec' guy by the way)
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mate I can see what your saying but how are you gonna do it?
Hers an ad in the NZ papers sponsored by the pilots union.
"No one got killed this week flying but they will in their cars"
How can you get the message across to the average punter who wears ugg boots,drinks bundy and coke for breakky,needs a cab to find the airport and thinks that they have to study for a pregnancy test?
Hers an ad in the NZ papers sponsored by the pilots union.
"No one got killed this week flying but they will in their cars"
How can you get the message across to the average punter who wears ugg boots,drinks bundy and coke for breakky,needs a cab to find the airport and thinks that they have to study for a pregnancy test?
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Justice system should make a stand on this sought of behaviour. At least deport the bitch!! Interested to know how other fello passangers took her threats, me personaly would have had satisfaction in using necessary force to retrain her.
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i reckon stoning might be a bit over the top but your right about the deporting bit.
If a refugee or anyone has been lucky enough to get a visa or citizenship and you carry out a violent crime I reckon you and the whole family should be deported back to the country where you came from.if that happened i reckon that some of them might pay a bit more attention to what their kids are doing instead of letting them cause violence and damage.
if a country is nice enough to let them stay because their own country is a bunfight and is dangerous fair enough but this woman who stabbed the pilots is probably a sausage short of a bbq but why should new zealand pay for her to stay in some hospital.she's only going to get out some time and other people are at risk.
send her back home.
If a refugee or anyone has been lucky enough to get a visa or citizenship and you carry out a violent crime I reckon you and the whole family should be deported back to the country where you came from.if that happened i reckon that some of them might pay a bit more attention to what their kids are doing instead of letting them cause violence and damage.
if a country is nice enough to let them stay because their own country is a bunfight and is dangerous fair enough but this woman who stabbed the pilots is probably a sausage short of a bbq but why should new zealand pay for her to stay in some hospital.she's only going to get out some time and other people are at risk.
send her back home.
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yeah soz 1279shp was a bit vague I guess. I've also flown a twin powerd PT6 on Avgas, although it was a 'shandy' the only thing I noticed was that the exhaust outlets where grey. That reminded me of my cars tail pipe also being greay after running on Avgas. There are limitations with the running of avgas on the PT6 such as the amount versus time etc.
Some video footage of water ingestion testing of new hi-pypass engines is incredible to watch. Wouldn't want some of that to get into the mags now would we?
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Some video footage of water ingestion testing of new hi-pypass engines is incredible to watch. Wouldn't want some of that to get into the mags now would we?
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Hmmmm.....from the NZ Herald
She also injured her back when she fell from a ladder while picking fruit in Hastings, leaving her on sickness benefit. She settled in Wellington with other Somali refugees, but soon moved away from the community and is understood to have begun drinking and getting involved in petty crime, before moving to the South Island in search of seasonal work.
After spending time in Nelson, the woman moved to Blenheim three years ago.
In November 2004, New Zealand First leader Winston Peters raised concerns about Abdille, asking questions in Parliament of the Immigration Minister at the time, Paul Swain.
Speaking under parliamentary privilege, Mr Peters said the woman had a "police record a mile long" and had been "bludging off the New Zealand taxpayer" for 10 years.
He said she had been trying to bring 14 of her relatives to New Zealand and had a record of convictions that would make Al Capone proud.
While in Blenheim, she was joined by her deaf sister. Months later, the sister is understood to have obtained help to move from Blenheim to get away from her sibling.
The Weekend Herald understands the sister is now a resident of a Christchurch deaf school.
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She also injured her back when she fell from a ladder while picking fruit in Hastings, leaving her on sickness benefit. She settled in Wellington with other Somali refugees, but soon moved away from the community and is understood to have begun drinking and getting involved in petty crime, before moving to the South Island in search of seasonal work.
After spending time in Nelson, the woman moved to Blenheim three years ago.
In November 2004, New Zealand First leader Winston Peters raised concerns about Abdille, asking questions in Parliament of the Immigration Minister at the time, Paul Swain.
Speaking under parliamentary privilege, Mr Peters said the woman had a "police record a mile long" and had been "bludging off the New Zealand taxpayer" for 10 years.
He said she had been trying to bring 14 of her relatives to New Zealand and had a record of convictions that would make Al Capone proud.
While in Blenheim, she was joined by her deaf sister. Months later, the sister is understood to have obtained help to move from Blenheim to get away from her sibling.
The Weekend Herald understands the sister is now a resident of a Christchurch deaf school.
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Hopefully we don't get the knee-jerk reaction from this that we are all expecting. I think a movement to implement reinforced cockpit doors on this kind of aircraft would be a good idea, however security screening all pax for these kinds of flights will be financially inhibitive.