Pilots stabbed whilst airborne
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Anyone been to Canada. Their version of affordable security is way different to NZ.
Even prior to 9/11 they were conducting explosive residue test on all hand luggage at Vancouver (presumably other intl) and all paxfrom one-horse towns (i.e. Smithers) to an Intl airport were x-rayed, searched, etc.
Must be the exchange rate.
Even prior to 9/11 they were conducting explosive residue test on all hand luggage at Vancouver (presumably other intl) and all paxfrom one-horse towns (i.e. Smithers) to an Intl airport were x-rayed, searched, etc.
Must be the exchange rate.
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Cockpit doors
I agree, something needs to be done to secure the cockpit from the cabin. Just two problems, one, no hostie, so crew need to keep an eye on pax (eg in case passenger gets ill etc)
two, theres no emergency exit from the cockpit..........will be interesting to see the outcome of this.........if any................
two, theres no emergency exit from the cockpit..........will be interesting to see the outcome of this.........if any................
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STONE the BITCH I say....
Lots of pilots have never been in this situation, and I hope i never will. Every one is different and there are no solutions as to what to do...
Congrats to the pilots for making her loose her balance so they could end this ordeal.
We should make a list for everyone to learn of things that could make the Hijacker useless.
Maybe things like....
Opening the cabin dump valve to cause an extremely uncomfortable cabin descent on their ears and catch them off guard
Call for all PAX to fasten seat belts and G the aircraft + and - to an extent they loose balance (i think this is what the crew did)
Fully fine props and close pwr instantly to make them fall forward.
Anything to catch them out... please add to the list
Lots of pilots have never been in this situation, and I hope i never will. Every one is different and there are no solutions as to what to do...
Congrats to the pilots for making her loose her balance so they could end this ordeal.
We should make a list for everyone to learn of things that could make the Hijacker useless.
Maybe things like....
Opening the cabin dump valve to cause an extremely uncomfortable cabin descent on their ears and catch them off guard
Call for all PAX to fasten seat belts and G the aircraft + and - to an extent they loose balance (i think this is what the crew did)
Fully fine props and close pwr instantly to make them fall forward.
Anything to catch them out... please add to the list
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somethings got to be done and the punter will probably have to pay for it.The easiest thing is x-ray for the punters and the carry on bags.
flight deck doors are good but there is no point if the punters can take something on board to blow the flt deck door off or worse.
if something or someone had picked up her knife then this would not even be a thread or in the papers.
with biggles list of aerobatics to put the hostiles off their feet wouldn't it be better to stop them getting on in the first place.
flight deck doors are good but there is no point if the punters can take something on board to blow the flt deck door off or worse.
if something or someone had picked up her knife then this would not even be a thread or in the papers.
with biggles list of aerobatics to put the hostiles off their feet wouldn't it be better to stop them getting on in the first place.
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...but the worst possible outcome of this particular incident (apart from the injury to the crew of course) will be having to put up with a smug Winston Peters saying "I told you so"!!!
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NZ is paying the price for it's mass, unselective immigration polices.
Let me tell you something else. The price will become much higher from now onwards.
Let me tell you something else. The price will become much higher from now onwards.
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@ Cypher - how do you make a train stop from the outside? As far as I know there is no signal overrun protection down here in the developing world (NZ). Therefore a lunchbox wedged on the dead-mans-handle would be all it took to put the train through the buffers and into the waiting commuters...
I`m not denying the potential impact of a hijack, I think the whole world knows ( and will NEVER be allowed to forget if Uncle Sam keeps the propaganda engine running) what happens when airliners connect with skyscrapers. However in New Zealand we are talking low danger (yes its high impact if it were to happen but the likelihood of an occurrence is tiny) and the cost and hassle of security is just not worth it.
I`m sure growing up in Somalia was no cakewalk compared to NZ / Aus and I can understand how one`s mental state could be compromised. However, given her criminal history it does seem like the NZ authorities should have been taking keener interest in her.
Cheers
James
I`m not denying the potential impact of a hijack, I think the whole world knows ( and will NEVER be allowed to forget if Uncle Sam keeps the propaganda engine running) what happens when airliners connect with skyscrapers. However in New Zealand we are talking low danger (yes its high impact if it were to happen but the likelihood of an occurrence is tiny) and the cost and hassle of security is just not worth it.
I`m sure growing up in Somalia was no cakewalk compared to NZ / Aus and I can understand how one`s mental state could be compromised. However, given her criminal history it does seem like the NZ authorities should have been taking keener interest in her.
Cheers
James
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@ rottenlungs...
Sorry.. made the assumution that NZ trains had some sort of centralised signals and switiching system.. most of them are diesel... only electrified from Hamilton onwards .. where switching the power off oughta work...
I don't usually take the train in Apialand.. because any correlation between the timetable and the time the train actually arrives is pure fluke...
I didn't mean by my comments that any other lives travelling by other means of transport were worth 'less' but simply the fact that with other means of transport, the means to stop and deal with a problem, or get people onboard once the journey has commenced is a lot easier than by travelling by air.
Once the aircraft leaves the ground, no body is getting in.. and possibly out... it's only the crew and pax...
Sorry.. made the assumution that NZ trains had some sort of centralised signals and switiching system.. most of them are diesel... only electrified from Hamilton onwards .. where switching the power off oughta work...
I don't usually take the train in Apialand.. because any correlation between the timetable and the time the train actually arrives is pure fluke...
I didn't mean by my comments that any other lives travelling by other means of transport were worth 'less' but simply the fact that with other means of transport, the means to stop and deal with a problem, or get people onboard once the journey has commenced is a lot easier than by travelling by air.
Once the aircraft leaves the ground, no body is getting in.. and possibly out... it's only the crew and pax...
I daresay as a result of today's incident the cost of flying internally in NZ will now increase as all airports instigate full security measures for all a/c. That might get interesting in places like Gisborne or Hokitika where, just for starters, security fences will need to be installed. Armed guards at Canterbury Aero Club perhaps? Hmmm...
The knee-jerk reaction should be forthcoming shortly.
The knee-jerk reaction should be forthcoming shortly.
Passengers who recently arrived off XY12 from London frantically scearch for their belongings that have been unceremoniously dumped on the foot path outside the terminal.
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Capitaine721279,
Air National haven't operated a DHC8 since it was sold to Vincent Aviation 2 years ago. It is now registered ZK-VAC
My bad - I saw the thing on touch down last week and didn't even notice it had Vincent on it and no blue circle. Isn't it a nice - if not older - one??
shp
Air National haven't operated a DHC8 since it was sold to Vincent Aviation 2 years ago. It is now registered ZK-VAC
My bad - I saw the thing on touch down last week and didn't even notice it had Vincent on it and no blue circle. Isn't it a nice - if not older - one??
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@ johnriketes of nyc: NZ is paying the price for it's mass, unselective immigration polices.
What is the basis of this comment? Are you an immigration specialist?
I realise this is a bit of a thread drift , but as far as "mass, unselective immigration polices" go I can assure you, as a New Zealander trying to import his wife and kids to NZ there are no "mass, unselective immigration polices" involved, try thousands of euros and 6 months wait time!
What is the basis of this comment? Are you an immigration specialist?
I realise this is a bit of a thread drift , but as far as "mass, unselective immigration polices" go I can assure you, as a New Zealander trying to import his wife and kids to NZ there are no "mass, unselective immigration polices" involved, try thousands of euros and 6 months wait time!