Rex and the Media Release
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What a bunch of gooses
Having just a little while ago walked out of Rex's front door for good, I am glad to say I have found life as I never knew it before. Crews were great to work with but I wouldn't give a toss for the management and I think I can talk for a lot of the past and present crews, the training and checking top brass are totally out of control and this is reflected in the company's lack of ability in holding onto pilots.Throwing money at the staff problem will fix things in the short term but that management mob take the cake, I don't recall any one having any respect or time for the likes of CH, NH, MN or JD, if Kim and his bunch can't see the total lack of talent these drop-kicks exhude then I don't see a lot of future for the company. And I really don't care.
What a laugh, give me a break, train a bunch of low timers for the right seat, soon there won't be any experienced left seaters left and these new trainees will want their upgrade to the left seat with 50 hours on type.
I'm so glad I won't have to fly the SLAB myself while training them for the same lousy pittance of a pay packet.
This company is a joke, share the sentiments of these Pprune pages with the shareholders and the ASX and get them out of the air, maybe they will be replaced with a genuine operator. Well we can only hope.
Problem is Crankhandle.
"Those who fail to learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them."
Something that aviation managers in this country have honed to a fine edge!
"Those who fail to learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them."
Something that aviation managers in this country have honed to a fine edge!
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An accountants tale
I'm not a pilot. I'm an accountant.
I recently applied for a position with Rex in their accounts department and shortly after got an email offering me an interview. I was to travel from Brisbane to Melbourne and back, stay in a hotel overnight and attend the interview...all at my own expense. So for my outlay of about $700 I certainly wanted to know what exactly I was being interviewed for. So I wrote back thanking them for the opportunity and asked for a few questions to be answered:
1. What position is it that I will be assessed for in the interview?
2. Where would I be based for my employment with Regional Express?
3. What are the pay and conditions of the role I would be applying for?
4. Would Rex be interested in covering the costs of my CPA training in return for a minimum period of employment?
And so I waited for a reply...
But after 10 days there was no response. I wondered if I had slipped through the gaps in there system. I called the number listed on the email and got a mesage bank. I left a brief message with my contact number, but again there was no response.
I've now found employment that I'm happy with and no longer care for an interview with Rex, but I scratch my head and wonder what ever happened with them.
OK, so I'm no accountant, I am a pilot. With 2,800hrs and 1,000 multi with ATPL's. But the above is my recent experience with Rex.
Good luck finding your pilots fellas.
I recently applied for a position with Rex in their accounts department and shortly after got an email offering me an interview. I was to travel from Brisbane to Melbourne and back, stay in a hotel overnight and attend the interview...all at my own expense. So for my outlay of about $700 I certainly wanted to know what exactly I was being interviewed for. So I wrote back thanking them for the opportunity and asked for a few questions to be answered:
1. What position is it that I will be assessed for in the interview?
2. Where would I be based for my employment with Regional Express?
3. What are the pay and conditions of the role I would be applying for?
4. Would Rex be interested in covering the costs of my CPA training in return for a minimum period of employment?
And so I waited for a reply...
But after 10 days there was no response. I wondered if I had slipped through the gaps in there system. I called the number listed on the email and got a mesage bank. I left a brief message with my contact number, but again there was no response.
I've now found employment that I'm happy with and no longer care for an interview with Rex, but I scratch my head and wonder what ever happened with them.
OK, so I'm no accountant, I am a pilot. With 2,800hrs and 1,000 multi with ATPL's. But the above is my recent experience with Rex.
Good luck finding your pilots fellas.
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The Plan
The Plan
In the beginning was the Plan.
And then came the Assumptions.
And the Assumptions were without form.
And darkness was upon the face of the Workers.
And they spoke among themselves, saying, "It is a crock of ****, and it stinketh."
And the workers went unto their Supervisors and said, "It is a pail of dung, and none may abide the odour thereof."
And the Supervisors went unto their Managers, saying, "It is a container of excrement, and it is very strong, such that none may abide by it."
And the Managers went unto their Directors, saying, "It is a vessel of fertiliser, and none may abide it's strength."
And the Directors spoke amongst themselves, saying one to another, "It contains that which aids plant growth, and it is very strong."
And the Directors then went onto the Vice Presidents, saying unto them, "It promotes growth and is very powerful."
And the Vice Presidents went unto the President, saying unto him, "This new plan will actively promote the growth and vigour of the company; with powerful effects."
And the President looked upon the Plan, and saw that it was good.
And the Plan became Policy.
This is How **** Happens.
In the beginning was the Plan.
And then came the Assumptions.
And the Assumptions were without form.
And darkness was upon the face of the Workers.
And they spoke among themselves, saying, "It is a crock of ****, and it stinketh."
And the workers went unto their Supervisors and said, "It is a pail of dung, and none may abide the odour thereof."
And the Supervisors went unto their Managers, saying, "It is a container of excrement, and it is very strong, such that none may abide by it."
And the Managers went unto their Directors, saying, "It is a vessel of fertiliser, and none may abide it's strength."
And the Directors spoke amongst themselves, saying one to another, "It contains that which aids plant growth, and it is very strong."
And the Directors then went onto the Vice Presidents, saying unto them, "It promotes growth and is very powerful."
And the Vice Presidents went unto the President, saying unto him, "This new plan will actively promote the growth and vigour of the company; with powerful effects."
And the President looked upon the Plan, and saw that it was good.
And the Plan became Policy.
This is How **** Happens.
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Skystar320
"Accountants are the power in the engine, the pilots drive the plane, and everyone else makes it run smoother."
Ummmm ok
This whole shortage thing could have been lessened by management/accountants not being as short sighted as they have been.
eg. Sunstate pilots crewing Q400s out of Canberra. They save 7% by not going with Eastern but they park Q400s on bay 15/16 sometimes cause they are out of crew. They were one of the first to really feel the crewing pinch because management wanted to be nasty. Sydney to CBR is a lot easier than BNE to CBR for a move. But hey they saved 7% on about 15 peoples wages.
The "power in the engine" and their ilk have had blinkers on for a long time.
"and go get a real job "
Thanks champ I do.
and sorry for the late reply...something about being busy with a real job
"Accountants are the power in the engine, the pilots drive the plane, and everyone else makes it run smoother."
Ummmm ok
This whole shortage thing could have been lessened by management/accountants not being as short sighted as they have been.
eg. Sunstate pilots crewing Q400s out of Canberra. They save 7% by not going with Eastern but they park Q400s on bay 15/16 sometimes cause they are out of crew. They were one of the first to really feel the crewing pinch because management wanted to be nasty. Sydney to CBR is a lot easier than BNE to CBR for a move. But hey they saved 7% on about 15 peoples wages.
The "power in the engine" and their ilk have had blinkers on for a long time.
"and go get a real job "
Thanks champ I do.
and sorry for the late reply...something about being busy with a real job
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Rex cadet training
Hi All,
I am new to this forum but have been following the REX story for a week or so. I sent in an application of interest. I have 13.5 hours up with 2.5 solo in a gazelle.
I am in I.T. and run my own computer repair business. I know a lot of you will say don't even bother becoming a pilot because of money etc.
I was wondering if anyone new where and how rex trained their pilots. I received and auto reply from my appication that went like this :
Dear Sir / Madam,
Thank you for applying for a Cadet Pilot position with Regional Express.
We are currently reviewing all applications and will contact you should your application proceed to the next stage.
Should your application not proceed to the next stage, your resume will be kept on file for a period of three months in case any positions arise that we feel you may be suitable for.
Once again thank you for your interest in working with REX.
Kind regards,
Human Resources
Is this the same as everyone else got. I guess I am just throwing my hat in the ring to see what comes of it.
I really enjoy reading the forums and get a lot out of you guys talking. I hope thngs get better for all pilots.
I am new to this forum but have been following the REX story for a week or so. I sent in an application of interest. I have 13.5 hours up with 2.5 solo in a gazelle.
I am in I.T. and run my own computer repair business. I know a lot of you will say don't even bother becoming a pilot because of money etc.
I was wondering if anyone new where and how rex trained their pilots. I received and auto reply from my appication that went like this :
Dear Sir / Madam,
Thank you for applying for a Cadet Pilot position with Regional Express.
We are currently reviewing all applications and will contact you should your application proceed to the next stage.
Should your application not proceed to the next stage, your resume will be kept on file for a period of three months in case any positions arise that we feel you may be suitable for.
Once again thank you for your interest in working with REX.
Kind regards,
Human Resources
Is this the same as everyone else got. I guess I am just throwing my hat in the ring to see what comes of it.
I really enjoy reading the forums and get a lot out of you guys talking. I hope thngs get better for all pilots.
outthere,
gotta be in it to win it!
If you get an interview, my advice would be to go along. What do you have to lose?
PM me if you get the call. I would be more than happy to offer some tips.
gotta be in it to win it!
If you get an interview, my advice would be to go along. What do you have to lose?
PM me if you get the call. I would be more than happy to offer some tips.
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Thanks
Thanks Crusty,
It is good to have some support from other pilots.
At the moment I a just hanging around like all the others. There must be quite a few pilots that put there interest in. Makes me wonder what chance I have.
On the other hand I may just have what they are looking for, whatever that is, but also I could fix computers on the side to help sustainsome sort of life.
What is your piloting experience rusty.
Jeremy
It is good to have some support from other pilots.
At the moment I a just hanging around like all the others. There must be quite a few pilots that put there interest in. Makes me wonder what chance I have.
On the other hand I may just have what they are looking for, whatever that is, but also I could fix computers on the side to help sustainsome sort of life.
What is your piloting experience rusty.
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Outthere, you'll be just the candidate they are looking for...someone who can put in long hours and "sustain some sort of life" with another income on the side. The choice is up to you, but it's apparent that you don't regard Rex as a career in aviation, but a stepping stone on the way to getting one. I'm not blaming you; I would probably be considering the same in your shoes. I'm just making an observation.
And as a general comment; it's no wonder the aviation industry is staring down the tunnel of a possible pilot shortage. And as for a government fact-finding mission or whatever it's called. The answer is staring out from these web pages.
There are currently very few careers in aviation unless it's with the majors. Short-term jobs aplenty, but no careers.
And as a general comment; it's no wonder the aviation industry is staring down the tunnel of a possible pilot shortage. And as for a government fact-finding mission or whatever it's called. The answer is staring out from these web pages.
There are currently very few careers in aviation unless it's with the majors. Short-term jobs aplenty, but no careers.
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Rex cadet training
Hi Lodown,
I think I see rex as a way to secure my childhood dream of becoming a pilot. I really enjoy flying.
The other option that my instructor gave me was to spend about $45,000 and he would take me into the commercial arena. Here is what he said :
Just thinking it through... for the flying component you should calculate it
out something like this:
Total hours required: 200 - you can credit your ultralight time against this
You will need to do the flight test (and therefore some of your training) in
an aircraft that can do over 120 kts and has a variable-pitch prop
We can build a night rating and probably an instrument rating into your 200
hours
Roughly speaking:
Grob: 60 hours dual (@200/hour), 40 hours solo (@150/hour)
Cessna C172XP or Cherokee: 30 hours dual (@230/hour), 30 hours solo
(@190/hour)
Cessna C206: 30 hours dual(@320/hour), 10 hours solo (@260/hour).
Thats a total of $42,800 incl GST... not a bad guess eh? You should speak to
an accountant about making it tax-deductible or GST free.
That is a VERY rough indication without taking your prior experience into
account. You could substitute a light twin for the C206 if you like, but I
would bet you as much as you like that your first job will be in a Cessna
206, 207 or 210.
Not many "new" commercial pilots have experience on a Cessna 206 and find
them a bit heavy and hard-to-handle initially. Training with Atlass (ie: me)
would give you a serious advantage there.
Hope that helps
I wouldn't mind just flying on a weekend basis commercially. I guess I am just letting the path unfold in front of me whatever way it might happen.
Jeremy
I think I see rex as a way to secure my childhood dream of becoming a pilot. I really enjoy flying.
The other option that my instructor gave me was to spend about $45,000 and he would take me into the commercial arena. Here is what he said :
Just thinking it through... for the flying component you should calculate it
out something like this:
Total hours required: 200 - you can credit your ultralight time against this
You will need to do the flight test (and therefore some of your training) in
an aircraft that can do over 120 kts and has a variable-pitch prop
We can build a night rating and probably an instrument rating into your 200
hours
Roughly speaking:
Grob: 60 hours dual (@200/hour), 40 hours solo (@150/hour)
Cessna C172XP or Cherokee: 30 hours dual (@230/hour), 30 hours solo
(@190/hour)
Cessna C206: 30 hours dual(@320/hour), 10 hours solo (@260/hour).
Thats a total of $42,800 incl GST... not a bad guess eh? You should speak to
an accountant about making it tax-deductible or GST free.
That is a VERY rough indication without taking your prior experience into
account. You could substitute a light twin for the C206 if you like, but I
would bet you as much as you like that your first job will be in a Cessna
206, 207 or 210.
Not many "new" commercial pilots have experience on a Cessna 206 and find
them a bit heavy and hard-to-handle initially. Training with Atlass (ie: me)
would give you a serious advantage there.
Hope that helps
I wouldn't mind just flying on a weekend basis commercially. I guess I am just letting the path unfold in front of me whatever way it might happen.
Jeremy
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Skystar320
"Accountants are the power in the engine, the pilots drive the plane, and everyone else makes it run smoother."
Ummmm ok
This whole shortage thing could have been lessened by management/accountants not being as short sighted as they have been.
eg. Sunstate pilots crewing Q400s out of Canberra. They save 7% by not going with Eastern but they park Q400s on bay 15/16 sometimes cause they are out of crew. They were one of the first to really feel the crewing pinch because management wanted to be nasty. Sydney to CBR is a lot easier than BNE to CBR for a move. But hey they saved 7% on about 15 peoples wages.
The "power in the engine" and their ilk have had blinkers on for a long time.
"and go get a real job "
Thanks champ I do.
and sorry for the late reply...something about being busy with a real job
"Accountants are the power in the engine, the pilots drive the plane, and everyone else makes it run smoother."
Ummmm ok
This whole shortage thing could have been lessened by management/accountants not being as short sighted as they have been.
eg. Sunstate pilots crewing Q400s out of Canberra. They save 7% by not going with Eastern but they park Q400s on bay 15/16 sometimes cause they are out of crew. They were one of the first to really feel the crewing pinch because management wanted to be nasty. Sydney to CBR is a lot easier than BNE to CBR for a move. But hey they saved 7% on about 15 peoples wages.
The "power in the engine" and their ilk have had blinkers on for a long time.
"and go get a real job "
Thanks champ I do.
and sorry for the late reply...something about being busy with a real job
Maybe the comment of 'and go get a real job' was a tad out of line and that i do apologise but its the same in every industry that we go into when a company fails everyone tries to blame the accountants for cutting corners when over 99% of the time is the flippin management who have made bad calls.
I dont know how you can bare to take cheap handed hand swipes at accountants it should be the management that you should be bending over
Accountants only really identiy cost savings to the company and from Memory Sunstate / Eastern are two different companies i.e two managements and two lots of accountants. They cannot impliment these by themselves its up to the managment
Now enough of trying to sh*t
the blame on accountants who work in the industry and put alot of time in (I know, as I Worked for a big company (no guess to whom ) and on several occasions we were putting in over 10 - 14hrs a day only to repeat is 5days a week.Now I'd love to fly and its a shame MANAGEMENT are bloating their balls to themselves and not paying pilots enough, but I enjoy what I do for a living and enjoy when the bast*rds are behind bars
I can identity that accountants are the power in the engines, pilots are the capable ones of flying us around where as management couldnt **** up a tree if they tried and all they do is fluff the pillows to make it look pretty in this case
Have a great day
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outthere,
A local school here told me the exact same thing:
CPL/MECIR for $42 000
That is the route I would like to go down myself.
SS320,
I can identify that you are out of your tree mate, in the history of the universe there has never been an accountant who is "the power in the engines". What a joke that statement is. The workers at the coal face are always 'the power in the engines'.
If the accountants go on strike for a day - nobody notices.
If the workers go out - the whole show grinds to a halt.
Where would the accountants be without the workers? You wouldn't even have a job without the workers.
You must have the munchies by now eh?
A local school here told me the exact same thing:
CPL/MECIR for $42 000
That is the route I would like to go down myself.
SS320,
I can identity that accountants are the power in the engines...
I can identify that you are out of your tree mate, in the history of the universe there has never been an accountant who is "the power in the engines". What a joke that statement is. The workers at the coal face are always 'the power in the engines'.
If the accountants go on strike for a day - nobody notices.
If the workers go out - the whole show grinds to a halt.
Where would the accountants be without the workers? You wouldn't even have a job without the workers.
You must have the munchies by now eh?
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I note that Skystar A320 has implemented his own cost savings by buying a computer that doesn't do commas...