Rex and the Media Release
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Good to see that everyone agrees on this topic..............good to see that noone is in denial about the real world realities of working in the aviation industry.
Here's a wild idea - Why not just all shut up, apply for jobs that you want, keep positive, decide what T&C's you are content and try and contribute something to the company as long as you wear the uniform and get your big noses out of each others affairs? If you are happy with the rex conditions then go work for rex and move on when the time is right, same as for jetstar, qantas or whoever.
It's one thing to pull faces and say that the employers will reap what they sow but the same goes for every pilot out there too. It's not like pilots have not played a role in keeping the industry from this situation!
Wake up to yourselves!
Here's a wild idea - Why not just all shut up, apply for jobs that you want, keep positive, decide what T&C's you are content and try and contribute something to the company as long as you wear the uniform and get your big noses out of each others affairs? If you are happy with the rex conditions then go work for rex and move on when the time is right, same as for jetstar, qantas or whoever.
It's one thing to pull faces and say that the employers will reap what they sow but the same goes for every pilot out there too. It's not like pilots have not played a role in keeping the industry from this situation!
Wake up to yourselves!
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All the anger at the media release aside. Does anyone know how rex will be selecting their cadets. The website says "special selection procedures" to qualify as a rex cadet. What does that entail?
Im just about to finish a CPL in WA and was wondering if I was going to be eligible to apply. But the way I read it only totally green pilots with no training appear to be eligible.
Does anyone have any information on the selection process and so forth?
Thanks for any information.
Im just about to finish a CPL in WA and was wondering if I was going to be eligible to apply. But the way I read it only totally green pilots with no training appear to be eligible.
Does anyone have any information on the selection process and so forth?
Thanks for any information.
When its all said and done, it comes done to a simple matter of supply and demand.
If supply is down and demand is up, the price goes up.
If you don't want to pay the market price, then you don't have an airline.
Get with the program or get out of town.
Your choice, we don't care!
If supply is down and demand is up, the price goes up.
If you don't want to pay the market price, then you don't have an airline.
Get with the program or get out of town.
Your choice, we don't care!
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I really don't know why REX is bothering with cadets that have never flown a plane. What about the existing pilots in the industry? 
There must be 40 pilots in GA each year that have commercial licenses and instrument ratings that only need to be endorsed on the saab?
I will have a guess that they want fresh young cadets straight from high school to justify keeping them on low wages 
There must be 40 pilots in GA each year that have commercial licenses and instrument ratings that only need to be endorsed on the saab?
Does anyone know how rex will be selecting their cadets. The website says "special selection procedures" to qualify as a rex cadet
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I too know someone that Jetstar and Virgin have not got back to. They have well over the min required and lots of turbo time as well.
This person recently left Aust as he got a job in Asia flying B738's. What's more is that he didn't have to pay for his training and at the end of his 3 year contract there is a 15% gratuity paid.
As an aside, is the website the airlines use really helping them to sort through and find suitable applicants. There does seem to be a lot of people on here saying they haven't heard anything from the ones they have applied to.
This person recently left Aust as he got a job in Asia flying B738's. What's more is that he didn't have to pay for his training and at the end of his 3 year contract there is a 15% gratuity paid.
As an aside, is the website the airlines use really helping them to sort through and find suitable applicants. There does seem to be a lot of people on here saying they haven't heard anything from the ones they have applied to.
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What website is that mate? I would be most interested if you would post the link here.
As an aside, is the website the airlines use really helping them to sort through and find suitable applicants.
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I'm not too sure, but wasn't it staffcv or something like that.
I know this guy had kept his details updated and still had never heard anything from Jetstar or Virgin. I'm not sure if Rex uses this site or not.
He also never applied for Rex as it would have been a pay cut from what he was getting.
I know this guy had kept his details updated and still had never heard anything from Jetstar or Virgin. I'm not sure if Rex uses this site or not.
He also never applied for Rex as it would have been a pay cut from what he was getting.
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They need some leverage so that new recruits don't jump ship for greener pastures. If Rex trains pilots from zero hours to RHS in a Saab, then they have the right of a return of service for what they've invested in.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
Over on the supply side: yes, the high cost of training is a major impediment. But the young generation has to be "inspired" to take up the profession. And while we continue to treat little Johnny and little Mary as potential terrorists, and ban them from visiting flight decks, they will never see the job, become excited by it nor develop any aspirations to pursue such a career.
The dwindling numbers that do aspire to professional flying are then increasingly deterred by the insane security reqts, such as ASIC before first solo. The keener ones persist for a bit and get to PPL. Only then do they really begin to look at the reality: the sheer cost of a CPL vs potential earnings. So is anyone actually surprised many people don't continue to CPL and that the supply side is now drying up? I predicted this 5 years ago in a letter to the QF CP, and was basically told "live with it, come along for the ride or get off the bus." Well, here we are today.
I just hope my LH colleagues are not as short sighted as my fellow QF SH pilots and don't get locked into a 5 year EBA. Because the rewards are there for your rare skills now. And the same can be said for any other CPL holder in Aus with a couple of 1000 hrs under your belt. Whilst it's impossible to record such experience on a balance sheet, WE ARE VALUABLE ASSETS. As the bean-counters in the majors are rapidly and reluctantly being forced to acknowledge!
Over on the supply side: yes, the high cost of training is a major impediment. But the young generation has to be "inspired" to take up the profession. And while we continue to treat little Johnny and little Mary as potential terrorists, and ban them from visiting flight decks, they will never see the job, become excited by it nor develop any aspirations to pursue such a career.
The dwindling numbers that do aspire to professional flying are then increasingly deterred by the insane security reqts, such as ASIC before first solo. The keener ones persist for a bit and get to PPL. Only then do they really begin to look at the reality: the sheer cost of a CPL vs potential earnings. So is anyone actually surprised many people don't continue to CPL and that the supply side is now drying up? I predicted this 5 years ago in a letter to the QF CP, and was basically told "live with it, come along for the ride or get off the bus." Well, here we are today.
I just hope my LH colleagues are not as short sighted as my fellow QF SH pilots and don't get locked into a 5 year EBA. Because the rewards are there for your rare skills now. And the same can be said for any other CPL holder in Aus with a couple of 1000 hrs under your belt. Whilst it's impossible to record such experience on a balance sheet, WE ARE VALUABLE ASSETS. As the bean-counters in the majors are rapidly and reluctantly being forced to acknowledge!
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Well first of all I'd like to say that I never worked for REX. Several of my mates did/do and they have all enjoyed their times their in a professional company with good people who have good will - accountants can't see this on a spread sheet so therefore it doesn't exist.
From my understanding many of the older VERY experienced Saab drivers are from Kendells and Hazos days that had rosters that appealed to families. Now they are running rosters close to max with long duties, so the lifestyle just isn't what it used to be.
Pay - Compared to other Regionals they are on par but that’s because the whole Regional T&Cs have been living in the dark ages. Not just for pilots.
Early this year was with ex GF in wagga helping with her work on a property and the owner was a worker for REX and he was telling me how they couldn't keep staff in the hangar cause they could get more at the local saw mill in wagga earning $20 an hour. The REX management have been off the ball for a long time now but they are not alone. It will be sad as the continual drain of experienced pilots leave the likes of REX because the money and the lifestyle just ain't what it used to be.
Our industry has been and will be run by accountants for the foreseeable future. Now accountants only really care about next years results and then move on to the next company for better T&Cs (sounds familiar). So why would they try to implement long term strategies (like pilot retention) that would hurt the next years report and bonuses when the mess can be left for the next manager/accountant to clean up.
From my understanding many of the older VERY experienced Saab drivers are from Kendells and Hazos days that had rosters that appealed to families. Now they are running rosters close to max with long duties, so the lifestyle just isn't what it used to be.
Pay - Compared to other Regionals they are on par but that’s because the whole Regional T&Cs have been living in the dark ages. Not just for pilots.
Early this year was with ex GF in wagga helping with her work on a property and the owner was a worker for REX and he was telling me how they couldn't keep staff in the hangar cause they could get more at the local saw mill in wagga earning $20 an hour. The REX management have been off the ball for a long time now but they are not alone. It will be sad as the continual drain of experienced pilots leave the likes of REX because the money and the lifestyle just ain't what it used to be.
Our industry has been and will be run by accountants for the foreseeable future. Now accountants only really care about next years results and then move on to the next company for better T&Cs (sounds familiar). So why would they try to implement long term strategies (like pilot retention) that would hurt the next years report and bonuses when the mess can be left for the next manager/accountant to clean up.
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So why would they try to implement long term strategies (like pilot retention) that would hurt the next years report and bonuses when the mess can be left for the next manager/accountant to clean up.
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heres something from michael moores dude where's my country pretty applicable to here, thought i would repost:
"paying workers more money makes you more money"
When you dont pay people enough to take care of lifes essentials, it ends up costing you and everybody else a lot of money. If workers have to take a second or third job, their productivity suffers on all three jobs. They aren't able to concentrate on one specific goal - making you lots of money! They're pre occupied thinking about how they have to get to that other job to make that other guy a lot of money. So your employees tired, he makes more mistakes, he has more accidents, he leaves early and his overall job performance is lower than if he was just concentrating on you. Why do you want him helping some other schmuck make money? if you paid him a decent wage, he'd only be thinking about you!
Pretty applicable to our industry boys and girls!
"paying workers more money makes you more money"
When you dont pay people enough to take care of lifes essentials, it ends up costing you and everybody else a lot of money. If workers have to take a second or third job, their productivity suffers on all three jobs. They aren't able to concentrate on one specific goal - making you lots of money! They're pre occupied thinking about how they have to get to that other job to make that other guy a lot of money. So your employees tired, he makes more mistakes, he has more accidents, he leaves early and his overall job performance is lower than if he was just concentrating on you. Why do you want him helping some other schmuck make money? if you paid him a decent wage, he'd only be thinking about you!
Pretty applicable to our industry boys and girls!