Short_Circuit

CS,
Where did I say I was in favour of the EBA, I am not,
I will not vote to accept it, it is cr@p!

I said regarding super etc., I will stick around until next VR and run.
I would like to run to JHAS but I will leave the positions for
you younger guys. My sacrafice to the youth of engineering.
I have had enough, I am bailing out.
Good luck to all of you in your future.

Romulus

We're certainly making progress, if nothing else I think we've changed certan ACS management perceptions of how we do things.

As for site visits, we only send people who know what they're talking about, whilst I'd appreciate the jolly I wouldn't add any value whatsoever so there's no point me being there.

Plus I am particularly big and ugly so we don't want to scare off potential new employees....

Romulus

Um, I know you don't really expect me to answer that so how about I go with...

More than a LAME earns, less than Geoff earns....




Well, it certainly isn't hurting us...

It really varies. We want a spread of older experienced hands through to relatively new younger hands. Some of the older blokes get more becasue they have 320 and NG licences as well which makes them more useful across the rest of the business.

Essentially it's all pretty individually tailored.

Always and interesting discussion. I fundamentally disagree with the ALAEA position that the number of licences should be a determinant, equally, if what I am told is correct, then I disagree with selecting people who have no hands on time in the recent past.

But that's just our approach, othersmay, and obviously do, disagree.

rudderless1

I fail to see anywhere the ALAEA has said the number of licenses you hold determines your suitability.

However the company seems to rely heavily on a vacuum gauge.

The ALAEA is pursuing a fair and legitimate selection process, multi license does not necessarily mean you are the best candidate. Working on the project as an office boy or having no prerequisites and being selected must raise some question though. Which is where the ALAEA is at the moment.

Sadly QF has a bloody minded and deceitful management in regards to their employees and is and will continue to harm the company. Thank Christ the ALAEA is active again.

Lets be fair Romulos

chemical alli

true sometimes number of licences shouldnt be a determent, but then again if it reduces said individuals easa conversion training, to me it makes sense to employ,the most qualified in the lame field not the desk jockeys who think they know how to service an aircraft,some of these people will be required to travel and handle the aircraft at line stations ,then does experience come into play ,i ask will the fast talking help in a delay situation when you dont know what your talking about

Romulus

It's covered in one of their releases.

From what I hear I have no argument with this either.


I try.

Torqueman

Not a bad sense of humour too from what I see here!

Good on ya.

mavrik1

So Roms, do you how many LAMES/AMES, JHAS still has to require before the contract is won and how many after! Is there really engineer shortage or are they coming in from everywhere for a peice of the action!

Redstone

They are still advertising for LAE's in the Oz for a potential 380 gig, so they either haven't found enough blokes of the required standard, or they forgot to stop the ad.

company_spy

looks like the A380 team leader cant keep his yap shut.once again spuiking to all and sundry about his new three year posting to dubai,guess emirates will be happy to see such a stand up individual with so much experience. all on expenses too.at least the boys in syd base wont have to put up with that **** eating grin

sobast

I'm intrigued by "the facts". As I understand it, there was in fact no swearing. Just one big mouth (who pretends to be an OH&S Facilitator) interupting a presentation to dignitaries by mouthing off at "wife" of an employee and then to the employee. No swearing, just making a scene about her not being on his list of inductees. This was just an extension of previous harassment of "wife" by this jerk and his mates. The dignitaries were incredulous/ embarrassed/ angry that anyone would have the gaul to make such a scene. The wife was not the first to complain. The dignitaries got in first.
The Act doesn't cover this situation where the self proclaimed controller of all BMS OH&S was trying to show off in front of a captive audience by harassing someone sitting quietly listening to a presentaion..

whatdouknow

^How does this make a difference if the person was sitting quietly or swinging from the rafters, isn't H96 technically on Airport soil so they need to be inducted.

Is it almost like a worker not having an ASIC.

As for showing off, welcome to the world of O.H&S. Managers and/or spouses should not be immune to state laws and hopefully common sense will prevail.

As for offense behaviour and language, stress leave may be called for.

Romulus

Combination. First round B1 is fully underway, first round B2 is now proceeding.

There are plenty of applicants and just because someone didn't get in DOESN'T mean they are regarded less highly than others, it's simply that they may have a better back up option for us in the event we don't win 380 (eg they have 320 which ties in with our Tiger contract that makes them a better option than someone who only has 744 for instance).

Ultimately, assuming we're successful, we'll need to recruit quite a few more people as the fleet grows. We're not looking short term, our recruitment plan is based around a long term plan that covers all QF aircraft, allows for people moving on, ensures plenty of coverage etc.

In terms of applicant numbers, there's no shortage, the hard part is trying to figure out who we can best place in the event we don't win the contract.

sobast

Hey Whatdouknow, you misunderstood. The Wife has a current induction and a current ASIC. She is on the base every now and then in her duties. She wasn't on a list that big mouth had. As were numerous other people. He just knows the couple and wanted to cause trouble.

You know what, it's what it's all about. Sitting quietly on a seat is safe and virtually no risk. Hanging from the rafters will require risk assessments, training, special inductions, and special safety measures. Oh yeah, as QF employees they have previously been inducted.
The only OH&S show off I know is the loud mouth guy. Aw, maybe a couple of other minor ones.
Correct. But they weren't breaking any laws or regs.

The masked goatrider

Wife has an ASIC because she is a hostie. She didn't have a current induction for the area she was in. If she did she would know that she needs to carry it on her person. She didn't produce it and refused to carry out another induction. If she did the security guard would not have escorted her from the premises. No Laws or Regs broken correct just a Qantas cardinal rule that as we all know is a sackable offence. In this case they will be sacked or else every other employee will become exempt from the bull$hit cardinal rules. Thanks Ash i always knew we could count on you to chip in for the cause.

sobast

Actually Mr Goatrider, she does have a current induction.
I haven't seen many people carrying their induction papers other than on the day they got it. As I see it, she didn't break any cardinal rule and even if you argue otherwise. WorkCover would fine QF and loud mouth for not ensuring EVERYONE had their induction papers with them and hence comply with BMS procedures. They wouldn't touch the "visitors".
As I understand it, no one was escorted from the premises. I'd be surprised if the sensible security guards didn't say they wanted nothing to do with this crap that big mouth was carrying on with.
You know what, there's probably a lot of people out there saying thanks to the employee and wife for bringing this to a head. Now big mouth might finally get a real kick in the butt instead of travelling the world on scam OH&S stuff and then bragging about it.

NAS1801

I think the whole point in all of this is that QF management are very quick to harass people over petty "OH&S" matters, yet they seem to believe they are exempt from them. Classic examples are office staff entering safety footwear areas without safety footwear, using mobile phones when aircraft fuel tanks open (I remember one case where a manager was approached whilst using a pone in a restricted area and the manager in question was very angry that the employee had interrupted him during his call). If rules are to be made, they apply to everyone. Simple fact.

whatdouknow

Sorry I misunderstood, kinda new to this and I don't know all the facts and it seems to be a bit of a different story depending on who you talk too.

As for "Sitting quietly on a seat" I would imagine if a loud bell rings and you didn't know where to run that implements some concern. Swinging from rafters is only unsafe if your within 2 metres of a 2 metre fall.

Hex head makes a great point about managers exempt from the rules but they are quick to point them out to others. The position has always been anyone can be challenged, however it isn't recommended because the manager will find a way to win.

The only thing that you can hope is that an incident occurs that warrants outside influence and then I presume the Authority will make a ruling, depending on how much is tipped into their christmas fund...

As for this specific, if she is purely a hostee and did not follow a cardinal rule that is a huge problem, but if she is of note because of married name, we may as well give up now.

ata 38 32

knowing both main players in this oh&s drama, I would hope to see them both disiplined they are both k**bs and would not know the difference between a screw and a bolt. big mac has a lot to answer for keeping people like them in offices and making them feel more important to the business than the guys that troubleshoot defects and get the aircraft over the fence,

sobast

Hey ATA 38 32,
One of these guys I would welcome on my crew. Yeah he's been off the floor for a while (until lately) but he's skilled, knowledgeable, and will get in and do the dirty work. The other, well if he could stop talking down to people, scamming trips on bull_hit oh&s jollies, taking our vehicles to go for coffees, he might actually do some work. But I doubt it.
Whatdouknow, you've got some valid points. But,
She is NOT of note because of married name. Hubby is not a manager so it bears no weight. I'm still intrigued about the cardinal rule. What safety device.... did she deliberately ignore? Big mouth "who runs all safety in BMS" just didn't control the whole situation professionaly. There were MANY people not on his list. (they were formally invited in though) He didn't control their entrance as per the procedure. So who broke the cardinal rule? Invited people quietly walking in, or some k**b not following his procedure to ensure the safety and wellbeing of people supposedly under his control?