717s for Sunnies & Eastern?
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717s for Sunnies & Eastern?
Been reading about this here http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=289157&page=2
but I think it deserves a thread of its own.
It would make sense with Tiger and the VB jungle jet not far away, but then again QLink management have always said they (EA & SS) will never operate jets. And of course according to QF management they are only turboprop drivers and jets are too fast for them to handle. More Q400s are supposedly the preference but they can't get their hands on any at the moment.
Meanwhile, back at the CB base, EA are supposedly covering heaps of the SS flights SY-CB due to lack of SS crew and/or aircraft breakdowns. With 2 Eastern checkies currently undergoing Q400 training, Sunnies' hold on the CB base is looking a little shaky.
but I think it deserves a thread of its own.
It would make sense with Tiger and the VB jungle jet not far away, but then again QLink management have always said they (EA & SS) will never operate jets. And of course according to QF management they are only turboprop drivers and jets are too fast for them to handle. More Q400s are supposedly the preference but they can't get their hands on any at the moment.
Meanwhile, back at the CB base, EA are supposedly covering heaps of the SS flights SY-CB due to lack of SS crew and/or aircraft breakdowns. With 2 Eastern checkies currently undergoing Q400 training, Sunnies' hold on the CB base is looking a little shaky.
I don't think Sunnies really want to hold on to the base anyway with Captains bidding back to the 300 in Brisbane as soon as they have the seniority. Look how far down the seniority list the latest 400 command in Canberra is. Apparently some announcement due for Qantaslink this month - don't hold your breath though. However with various threats now getting close and uncertainty about the 717 wetlease arrangement Qantas is going to have to do something.
Whislt I wish all those guys the best of luck, it high lights the disgusting attitude pilots have towards each other. 
Whilst I don't puch much faith in this rumor. probably started with talk of 717's in Canberra being immanent, no mention of the operator. Maybe some lines painted on the ground and some pilots with stars in their eyes?
On one hand we have NJS pilots considering industrial action to maintain their CURRENT conditions, then you hear of another bunch of pilots out to steel their jobs from under them and clapping their hands at the prospect.
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Up until the current dispute that is going on NJS were going to be operating the 717's on the east coast.
3 more jets are to be introduced in October in Perth Cairns and darwin followed by probably 3 more in canberra. Rumor and only rumor has it that the search is on for more 717's internationally.
Just sit back and consider this.
There are plenty of jobs available at present and conditions are only improving.
If management wins this fight, then you can be sure it will resonate through the industry, at least the likes of SS and EAA. It would demonstrate that this style of management can screw pilots even in BOOM times. Just wait for the down times.
I hope the pilots consider what happened in that year. Pilots taking pilots jobs?
Whilst I don't puch much faith in this rumor. probably started with talk of 717's in Canberra being immanent, no mention of the operator. Maybe some lines painted on the ground and some pilots with stars in their eyes?
On one hand we have NJS pilots considering industrial action to maintain their CURRENT conditions, then you hear of another bunch of pilots out to steel their jobs from under them and clapping their hands at the prospect.
.Up until the current dispute that is going on NJS were going to be operating the 717's on the east coast.
3 more jets are to be introduced in October in Perth Cairns and darwin followed by probably 3 more in canberra. Rumor and only rumor has it that the search is on for more 717's internationally.
Just sit back and consider this.
There are plenty of jobs available at present and conditions are only improving.
If management wins this fight, then you can be sure it will resonate through the industry, at least the likes of SS and EAA. It would demonstrate that this style of management can screw pilots even in BOOM times. Just wait for the down times.
I hope the pilots consider what happened in that year. Pilots taking pilots jobs?
Renurpp - I don't quite follow your logic about 'stealing' jobs. At this point in time none of the decisions made made by Qantas management about who flies what and where get any input from rank and file pilots. NJS seem to be in strife in more ways than one.
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Turbulence?
What the airlines helped to create in GA was an oversupply of pilots who cut one another's throats, and virtually destroyed the industry. This has now come back to bite the airline pilots and the airlines on the bum.
My point is, NJS up untill now has the contract for the 717. it goes for another 5 yrs.
The day after there is talk of industrial disharmony, some one from EAA or SS decide it is a great idea to suggest that they may get the 717's.
well can I suggest that it would be better for us (pilots) to support each rather than start cheering and hoping for the NJS pilots to lose so EAA or SS can fly a JET. How petty.
Apart from which i suspect it would more likely be jetstar that provided the AOC and crew than either of the other two mentioned companies.
NJS are not necessarily in strife. that is a management decision. The problems could be solved almost over night.
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and on it goes from there,
The day after there is talk of industrial disharmony, some one from EAA or SS decide it is a great idea to suggest that they may get the 717's.
well can I suggest that it would be better for us (pilots) to support each rather than start cheering and hoping for the NJS pilots to lose so EAA or SS can fly a JET. How petty.
Apart from which i suspect it would more likely be jetstar that provided the AOC and crew than either of the other two mentioned companies.
NJS are not necessarily in strife. that is a management decision. The problems could be solved almost over night.
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They are listening, QLink management that is. 737's to the westcoast some 717's to the east coast to be crewed by EAA & SSA, 400's and some 300's to stay 200's/100's to go. This will be to combat the E-Jets and Tiger as well retain some regional pilots.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but................10 years or so ago National Jet was given the BAE146 flying in BNE by Qantas instead of giving jets to Sunnies. In my humble opinion it was Sunnies flying in the first place. So it wouldn't be taking anything from NJS they shouldn't never have received.
Bit like the Pornstar Pilot's bitching about Qf Pilot's coming across and taking "their commands". It was QF flying in the first place.
God some people have short memories.
Bit like the Pornstar Pilot's bitching about Qf Pilot's coming across and taking "their commands". It was QF flying in the first place.
God some people have short memories.
Well ACME you are correct, lets all go back to pre 1989 shall we.
a hell of a lot of NJS guys and girls would probably love their jobs back with ANSETT/TAA and the like that others took.
I believe it was TAA flying in the first place!
Like a bunch of little school girls fighting over a barby doll.
God some people have short memories
a hell of a lot of NJS guys and girls would probably love their jobs back with ANSETT/TAA and the like that others took.
It was QF flying in the first place
Like a bunch of little school girls fighting over a barby doll.
God some people have short memories
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My guess is that CRJ700/900s would be more likely (maybe through a trade off of existing Q400 options) - if anything happens at all! If there is anyone left to fly them!
My guess is that CRJ700/900s would be more likely (maybe through a trade off of existing Q400 options) - if anything happens at all! If there is anyone left to fly them!
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If there is additional 717's to operate on the east coast, how are EAA and SSA taking others jobs. It may mean no expansion for NJS, but how would it be taking NJS jobs. It would probably mean less Dashes, so the EAA and SSA crew would only be keeping their flying!
Ps I'll believe it when I see it!!
Ps I'll believe it when I see it!!
If we are only talking additional I agree 100%. good luck.
If Vigi one is suggesting that due to the IR hassles at NJS they are losing aircraft and EAA SS will get them and thinks thats good news my opinion is he is an rsole.
If he's not saying that, why mention it on a thread about NJS and industrial action? http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=289157&page=2
If Vigi one is suggesting that due to the IR hassles at NJS they are losing aircraft and EAA SS will get them and thinks thats good news my opinion is he is an rsole.
If he's not saying that, why mention it on a thread about NJS and industrial action? http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=289157&page=2
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Hmmmm. Let me see. didn't NJS pilots undercut themselves by agreeing to fund their own endorsements on the 717? You should be worried about the devil within, blokes 
Eastern pilots know nothing about this. Infact they're kept in the dark more than anyone else in the group. Just look at the propaganda magazine aka "regional spirit". It's all about QLD QLD QLD. oi oi oi!
As Trojan writes, there won't be anyone left at Eastern's to fly em. Even many of their senior checkies are looking for OUT. Talk about fast track commands for cadets!
Theyll be carryin' the can in 6 months 
But Nero fiddles on his Hog tour in the states while Eastern's burns.
See youse!
Eastern pilots know nothing about this. Infact they're kept in the dark more than anyone else in the group. Just look at the propaganda magazine aka "regional spirit". It's all about QLD QLD QLD. oi oi oi!
As Trojan writes, there won't be anyone left at Eastern's to fly em. Even many of their senior checkies are looking for OUT. Talk about fast track commands for cadets!
Theyll be carryin' the can in 6 months But Nero fiddles on his Hog tour in the states while Eastern's burns.
See youse!
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Wind up alert!
Too much time on your hands, Sue.
This little rumour had its origins in the middle of last year. A rep from NJS 717 rang a mate in the JPC to ask if JQ was a threat to their 717 pay negotiations. Short answer was JQ had everything in place to put the 717 back into JQ service within a week, but JQ were plain not interested.
NJS rep and JPC rep then have a yarn, as pilots do, and one says to the other "the 717 would be the perfect aeroplane for the QF group to put up against VB jungle jets." More yakity yak, friendly good bye.
The conversation is repeated amongst some colleagues at a couple of AFAP events and the EAA and SSA guys nod in agreement. The 717 would give the jungle jet a run for its money on the east coast.
A year and a bit later, Sue Ridgepipe hears the same hangar talk as it goes round the rumour circuit for the fifth time. Like a goldfish, the rumour doesn't have any memory of where it came from.
The Canberra base bit was invented by a NJS pilot in Cairns, who openly admits he made it up!!!
If anyone in the QF group is going to become the second 717 operator, why on earth would QF give it to EAA or SSA? Nothing wrong with you guys, but even when NJS boys and girls get their Certified Agreement, they will STILL be cheaper than you guys ever would!!
Tell 'em they're dreaming.
Originally Posted by Sue Ridgepipe
Been reading about this here http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=289157&page=2
but I think it deserves a thread of its own.
but I think it deserves a thread of its own.
This little rumour had its origins in the middle of last year. A rep from NJS 717 rang a mate in the JPC to ask if JQ was a threat to their 717 pay negotiations. Short answer was JQ had everything in place to put the 717 back into JQ service within a week, but JQ were plain not interested.
NJS rep and JPC rep then have a yarn, as pilots do, and one says to the other "the 717 would be the perfect aeroplane for the QF group to put up against VB jungle jets." More yakity yak, friendly good bye.
The conversation is repeated amongst some colleagues at a couple of AFAP events and the EAA and SSA guys nod in agreement. The 717 would give the jungle jet a run for its money on the east coast.
A year and a bit later, Sue Ridgepipe hears the same hangar talk as it goes round the rumour circuit for the fifth time. Like a goldfish, the rumour doesn't have any memory of where it came from.
The Canberra base bit was invented by a NJS pilot in Cairns, who openly admits he made it up!!!
If anyone in the QF group is going to become the second 717 operator, why on earth would QF give it to EAA or SSA? Nothing wrong with you guys, but even when NJS boys and girls get their Certified Agreement, they will STILL be cheaper than you guys ever would!!
Tell 'em they're dreaming.
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hehe, true Pirate!
Sue, nice rumour, but what about the spares and rotables? Just about the whole lot are now in a hangar in Adelaide, Perth, Cairns and Darwin.
What about the Alteon training slots? No courses booked for EAA or SSA.
I'll tell you what is for real, NJS pilots are fighting on several fronts to get their conditions improved. NJS is under fire but its pushing back. Hardly surprising that an old rumour has been resurrected, given some new spin and thrown out there to see if it scares a few NJS pilots.
Sue, nice rumour, but what about the spares and rotables? Just about the whole lot are now in a hangar in Adelaide, Perth, Cairns and Darwin.
What about the Alteon training slots? No courses booked for EAA or SSA.
I'll tell you what is for real, NJS pilots are fighting on several fronts to get their conditions improved. NJS is under fire but its pushing back. Hardly surprising that an old rumour has been resurrected, given some new spin and thrown out there to see if it scares a few NJS pilots.
RENURPP: I was talking about Pornstars international ops ya dope. That flying was NEVER TAA's. It was Qantas Pilot's bread and butter routes that GD gave to Pornstar to screw everyone, and you know it. So what the hell do the Pornstar Pilot's smoke to get all bent out of shape when Qf Pilot's take positions in Pornstar out of "seniority". You must be joking?
Actually I was involved in 89 bud and I don't approve of any of my non-scab mates taking other peoples jobs, as happened in a few situations.
All I said was that the Qantas bosses at the time should have given the jobs to their own Qantas group Pilot's instead of contracting them out to a cheap low cost operator, NJS. In my opinion it was flying that Sunnies should have done.
So if they get it back now,,,,,,then good. Stuff the NJS Pilot's that jumped at the chance to take another Pilot's job.
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Actually I was involved in 89 bud and I don't approve of any of my non-scab mates taking other peoples jobs, as happened in a few situations.
All I said was that the Qantas bosses at the time should have given the jobs to their own Qantas group Pilot's instead of contracting them out to a cheap low cost operator, NJS. In my opinion it was flying that Sunnies should have done.
So if they get it back now,,,,,,then good. Stuff the NJS Pilot's that jumped at the chance to take another Pilot's job.
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ACMS, the MOU was pretty much written for and endorsed by Qantas pilots .
Naturally an amendment was made after it revealed JQ crew were being shafted as it wasn't a two-way street after all.
How many Jq pilots jumped at the chance to crossover???? A big fat zero.
Naturally an amendment was made after it revealed JQ crew were being shafted as it wasn't a two-way street after all.
How many Jq pilots jumped at the chance to crossover???? A big fat zero.
ACMS you said,
If you are referring to the introduction of the 146 to QLD by Australian Airlines in 1991, NJS took over Australian Airlines 737 flying that was ridiculously over-priced by the disgusting pay scales that the 737 pilots were on at the time as a result of you-know-what. Sunnies was was still flying boxcars then and was hardly in a position to take on a 3-jet fleet. Is it you with the short memory?
Secondly, criticism of the NJS pilots undercutting JQ to get the 717 is a bit below the belt given that from what I read on this esteemed site last year QF played off EAA and Sunstate for the -400. Good on EAA pilots for saying NO. Sunstate pilots are hardly in a position to imply that the NJS pilots should bugger off the 717 after undercutting their fellow QLink brethren in SYD.
As for two separate companies operating the 717 (NJS and another), it ain't gonna happen. Get over it. As soon as the guard changes at ADL, NJS will be firing on all fours and be the pride of the aviation industry.
Even if our bosses are dollar-driven #$%^&s, let's not be at our own throats.
Correct me if I'm wrong but................10 years or so ago National Jet was given the BAE146 flying in BNE by Qantas instead of giving jets to Sunnies. In my humble opinion it was Sunnies flying in the first place.
Secondly, criticism of the NJS pilots undercutting JQ to get the 717 is a bit below the belt given that from what I read on this esteemed site last year QF played off EAA and Sunstate for the -400. Good on EAA pilots for saying NO. Sunstate pilots are hardly in a position to imply that the NJS pilots should bugger off the 717 after undercutting their fellow QLink brethren in SYD.
As for two separate companies operating the 717 (NJS and another), it ain't gonna happen. Get over it. As soon as the guard changes at ADL, NJS will be firing on all fours and be the pride of the aviation industry.
Even if our bosses are dollar-driven #$%^&s, let's not be at our own throats.
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