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Old 27th Aug 2007, 16:14
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Talking Qf Engineers Ready For Industrial Action

From the ALAEA Federal Secretary.....
TO: ALL QANTAS ALAEA MEMBERS COVERED BY THE LAME EBA
RE: PROTECTED INDUSTRIAL ACTION AUTHORISATION
Notice of authorisation is given to ALAEA members covered by the Licensed Aircraft Engineers (Qantas Airways Limited) Certified Agreement (EBA7) to take industrial action in regard to supporting or advancing our claim for "The securing of and maintaining aircraft maintenance work in Australia" made in respect of the proposed collective agreement (EBA8).
Following the giving of this authorisation the action if it is to be protected action, cannot take place until after a "protected action ballot" is conducted of the employees covered by the "Notice of Bargaining Period" and proposed to be covered, by the new EBA8. To do this the ALAEA needs to obtain an order from the Australian Industrial Relations Commission that will authorise a protected action ballot to be held and hold a protected action ballot that may authorise the industrial action. Depending on the result of the ballot the action may or may not proceed.
"The protected action so authorized is the banning of routine work, routine Certification or any release to service on aircraft VH-OJQ and VH-OJO for normal service until such times as the said aircraft have undergone afull "D" type check inspection by Australian Licenced Aircraft Engineers licenced on the type of aircraft, in a CASA approved maintenance facility within Australia under Qantas CAR 30 approval; and to ultimately cause such work to be brought back into Australia"
Lets get ready to RUMBLE!!
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Old 27th Aug 2007, 17:36
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Using the words of Darryl John Kerrigan, "tell him he's dreaming".....
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time to get out your overalls and spanners MP
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time to get out your overalls and spanners MP
He's still looking for his brain though.........
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Old 28th Aug 2007, 09:13
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I think the alaea is wrong on this the chances of qantas redoing two "D" checks is a joke
Lets work with the company to retain jobs and create future jobs instead of trying to refight past battles that we lost
Heavy is gone I dont see it coming back
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Old 28th Aug 2007, 13:55
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FFS

whine about inaction, whine about action

You guys are pathetic, grow a backbone you association has, you gave it the charter by you vote in the ballot and when they follow your wishes you b!tch

The ALAEA is standing up and it's time you did

By the way read the notice in it's entirety and understand this it prompts the company to act, if it is challenged then a discussion will take place in or out of the IRC and a suitable compromise will be reached. A full D Check is not required just the checking of the areas that were disturbed during those checks.

My money's on two things

One, Lames are sick and tired of being taken for granted and will support the ASN grounding the aircraft

and two, more than staples will be found on OJO and OJQ
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Old 28th Aug 2007, 14:12
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The ALAEA is standing up and it's time you did
I am more than willing to go in for a stouch for the right reason.
What do we hope to win from this action as an association for members current and future?? As Domo said H245 is shut. Next battle

From my point of view it looks like a public pissing competion between SP and DC.
And the winner gets to say

I TOLD YOU SO !!

Does not look contructive and I doubt it will fly.

Baby with the bath water comes to mind...
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Old 28th Aug 2007, 23:00
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T and C's

Twitter n Bisted,I agree that some improvement in T and C’s would be good, did you have anything specific in mind? I think it will take some pretty fantastic T and C’s to convince the majority to accept a deal when 3% is the most likely offer from the company with regard to remuneration.Also it is worth noting that although H245 is gone, there are still some QF Heavy Maintenance facilities in this country. The things that the staff in those areas are being asked to accept in the eba in order to keep HM (and their jobs) in Australia are fairly substantial and if the eba gets up, they will have ramifications across all departments, line included. The proverbial thin end of the wedge.
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Old 29th Aug 2007, 00:27
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this is about aircraft safety,these aircraft were done under sus standards,which has been proven,this is about passenger safety and the integrity of these 2 aircraft,and your license being used for continued certification of these aircraft,remember if one of these aircraft fall out the sky,who do you think Qantas management will come after SASCO or the last LAME to sign off on the aircraft
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Old 29th Aug 2007, 01:15
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QMO,

Exactly. Our actions must be seen as protecting the integrity of aviation in this country - that the maintenance program on those two aircraft has been compromised and this has to be addressed.

What do we stand for?

We are always complaining of DC's inept and our spiralling standards at QF - well isn't this the most obvious response.

And, where is our Regulator?
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Here is a Thought

Offer to do the D checks free of charge, on the condition that if and when you find serious matters that have not been done at SIA then they pay you full pay and agree to the T&C's mentioned.

You put your money where your mouth is, and so will they!

Cant see it happening though.........

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Old 29th Aug 2007, 03:58
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are you suggesting a part ownership between Qanats and the ALAEA in a maintenance facility ,why not
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I think it has already been done - It's called Avalon manned by Forestaff and the main winner was a slime of an ex ALAEA rep called Wally.
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Old 29th Aug 2007, 06:29
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Devil phased checks

Maybe an out for all concerned is to carry out certain stages of the d chk at each consecutive A chk just a thought .That way its a win win for both parties. Aircraft arent grounded and integrity of the safety culture is restored. I believe that the alaea are making inroads as rumor has it some chks have been seriously looked at to come back onshore.

lets not play who has the biggest johnson campaign.lets get it done .also i have to agree the eba is getting tired
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Old 29th Aug 2007, 06:37
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i don't think an A check is enough time for some of the inspections that need hundreds of hours to complete,ie internal wing inspections/horizontal stab,under floor inspections,under toilet,seat track,and the list goes on
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Old 29th Aug 2007, 09:17
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Qantas management will come after SASCO or the last LAME to sign off on the aircraft
Get it right, If you going to run with a conspiracy theory get the names correct and you may sound more credible

There are 2 MROs at Changi airport (Singapore) SIAEC and SASCO.

SASCO are not in the picture this time, and anecdotal evidence suggests they do good work there

SIAEC is the MRO whom completed the "D" checks on the 2 aircraft subject to industrial action.
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Old 29th Aug 2007, 09:30
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Bad industrial relations decision! Maintenance checks in Singapore are unrelated to the terms and conditions of an EBA.

The proposed ALEA action will rightly be seen as an attempt to disrupt the company's operations, in order solely to advance an IR claim and protect jobs.

Not siding with Kwonnas or the engineers but don't expect public support, especially from any passengers whose travel plans are disrupted.
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Old 29th Aug 2007, 10:06
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Danger

It's about time the ALAEA grew some balls.

I do think the industrial action will be an aberrant failure though.
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Does the ALAEA only look in the past ? Isn't there another 747 in SIN now for a D check? That hasn't been mentioned in the proposed action.....
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This action may work. If Qantas argues in the commission against it, the union can court the public with the "we're concerned with pax safety, and obviously management isn't". The Today Tonight reports are still relatively fresh, so this could be very interesting.
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