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Cox's notice - just another of his long long list of untruths.
Every once in a while I stare at that Strategy Map screensaver and I remain perplexed to the extent of this management's perversion of our business and existence.
Have we all read the latest LE. Cox has got himself a new group (another empire). Keep growing the number crunchers and deplete the number of guys working the planes, whilst the fleet grows, just figure that out.
Remember "Our standard of maintenance has never been better". I would LOL, but the direction we're heading is quite tragic.
Every once in a while I stare at that Strategy Map screensaver and I remain perplexed to the extent of this management's perversion of our business and existence.
Have we all read the latest LE. Cox has got himself a new group (another empire). Keep growing the number crunchers and deplete the number of guys working the planes, whilst the fleet grows, just figure that out.
Remember "Our standard of maintenance has never been better". I would LOL, but the direction we're heading is quite tragic.
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Almost inclined to agree with EP here. When there is a perceived lack of action on the ALAEAs part, the majority of members whinge. Finally, the ALAEA recommends industrial action and what happens? The majority of members whinge again. I don’t think SP is laughing, he is probably shaking his head in frustration at this attitude. Dix and Cox are the ones that are laughing.
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That's because he gets what he wants and he know he will. Besides that, he is over paid to start with. Engineers are on pathetic $$. Time to get off the high horse PAF.
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PAF...A few years ago when things were not so rosy the company asked most of us for a wage freeze.That was fair enough but when you looked at the figures Darth actually gave himself a huge pay rise.
Why would he need to strike or take any action when he is doing this?
Why would he need to strike or take any action when he is doing this?
PAF:
You seem to have the wrong handle on the concept of ownership here.
It's the shareholders who are entitled to ALL of the surplus that Qantas makes. That is what they receive in exchange for assuming the risk of investing in Qantas.
If the company does not make money, it's the shareholders who have to cop it, not the employees, barring of course an in extremis situation where some staff MIGHT agree to a pay cut to save their jobs.
However this is a rare event for no one is going to supply anything (including their labor) for less than the cost of its production - and that applies to every business, as I have occasionally found to my sorrow (and so by the way have a number of car manufacturers - to their sorrow as well).
PAF:
You are once again demonstrating your complete and total naivety
For a start, Dixon's pay is established by remuneration consultants on an international comparative basis, and even one years pay (about 6 million) is more than its more than enough to provide financial security for himself and his family for the remainder of his life. Then there are the stock options, Golden handcuffs and a golden parachute.
This is all tied up in a contract that will have been negotiated by Dixon's lawyer and Qantas lawyers and backed by a Board level remuneration consultants report. So of course Dixon doesn't grumble about his pay! He negotiated it himself!
The reason for this is simple. Being a CEO is a Pr1ck of a job. If you foul up, you will never work again and become a figure of ignominy for the rest of your sorry life. It's a bit like being an actor, and at some stage the audience says "Enough" and you are out. You maybe even have to commit management suicide, if it is in the interest of shareholders, by recommending a takeover bid and the consequent elimination or your own job.
In other words, being a CEO is a "One Off" job.To do it, you need a guarantee of absolute financial satisfaction whatever the outcome, otherwise it simply isn't worth doing.
And finally, if I was making a billion dolars for the shareholders, I'd want a chunk of it to stick to my fingers as well!
Employees on the other hand, have nothing to bargain with except their labor. They have families to feed and zero financial security beyond the next paycheck as they work their way hopefully towards eventual retirement and perhaps enough superannuation to live on.
Then in striking a bargain over their supply of labor, the Howard individual AWA's provide a massive assymetry in bargaining power between the individual (who must bargain maybe once every three years) versus the company - who employs specialist industrial relations consultants who know all the tricks and bargain every day.
Is it any wonder then that employees want to band together and bargain as a group?
Since the deliberate destruction of the (old and arthritic) conciliation and arbitration system there is nothing that can be done without the application of pressure by both sides if negotiations fail.
And finally, management is dreaming if they think there is an ocean of qualified people willing to work for peanuts. To me, thats an often fatal assumption.
But then of course Frozo, you don't get to bargain about your wages do you?
It really does beg the question. When QF profits decline (as they will eventually) are you willing to take a 6-8% pay cut, nothing less?
It's the shareholders who are entitled to ALL of the surplus that Qantas makes. That is what they receive in exchange for assuming the risk of investing in Qantas.
If the company does not make money, it's the shareholders who have to cop it, not the employees, barring of course an in extremis situation where some staff MIGHT agree to a pay cut to save their jobs.
However this is a rare event for no one is going to supply anything (including their labor) for less than the cost of its production - and that applies to every business, as I have occasionally found to my sorrow (and so by the way have a number of car manufacturers - to their sorrow as well).
PAF:
I haven't seen Dixon making pay demands or threatening to strike as CEO if he doesn't get what he wants!
For a start, Dixon's pay is established by remuneration consultants on an international comparative basis, and even one years pay (about 6 million) is more than its more than enough to provide financial security for himself and his family for the remainder of his life. Then there are the stock options, Golden handcuffs and a golden parachute.
This is all tied up in a contract that will have been negotiated by Dixon's lawyer and Qantas lawyers and backed by a Board level remuneration consultants report. So of course Dixon doesn't grumble about his pay! He negotiated it himself!
The reason for this is simple. Being a CEO is a Pr1ck of a job. If you foul up, you will never work again and become a figure of ignominy for the rest of your sorry life. It's a bit like being an actor, and at some stage the audience says "Enough" and you are out. You maybe even have to commit management suicide, if it is in the interest of shareholders, by recommending a takeover bid and the consequent elimination or your own job.
In other words, being a CEO is a "One Off" job.To do it, you need a guarantee of absolute financial satisfaction whatever the outcome, otherwise it simply isn't worth doing.
And finally, if I was making a billion dolars for the shareholders, I'd want a chunk of it to stick to my fingers as well!
Employees on the other hand, have nothing to bargain with except their labor. They have families to feed and zero financial security beyond the next paycheck as they work their way hopefully towards eventual retirement and perhaps enough superannuation to live on.
Then in striking a bargain over their supply of labor, the Howard individual AWA's provide a massive assymetry in bargaining power between the individual (who must bargain maybe once every three years) versus the company - who employs specialist industrial relations consultants who know all the tricks and bargain every day.
Is it any wonder then that employees want to band together and bargain as a group?
Since the deliberate destruction of the (old and arthritic) conciliation and arbitration system there is nothing that can be done without the application of pressure by both sides if negotiations fail.
And finally, management is dreaming if they think there is an ocean of qualified people willing to work for peanuts. To me, thats an often fatal assumption.
But then of course Frozo, you don't get to bargain about your wages do you?
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While I don't agree with PAF, I think this part of your post is not entirely correct.
In some other jobs when you foul up you are no longer alive.So to argue that as a case for huge remuneration packages is not exactly accurate.
There are also examples of board members causing significant cost blow outs if not huge losses and they go on and get jobs on other boards as if nothing ever happened.
If you foul up, you will never work again and become a figure of ignominy for the rest of your sorry life.
There are also examples of board members causing significant cost blow outs if not huge losses and they go on and get jobs on other boards as if nothing ever happened.
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Like a lot of S/Lame's, DMM's, and MLM's....Stuff up, bend a bit of metal, wreck a reverser cowl (MLMWA). How to ensure a proactive measure has been taken to aviod the incident reoccuring, get them away from the aircraft...how...promote them......Glad I left
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in some other jobs when you foul up you are no longer alive.So to argue that as a case for huge remuneration packages is not exactly accurate.
To add to that "Some other jobs if you stuff up they promote you to a higher paying position"to get you out of the way.
To add to that "Some other jobs if you stuff up they promote you to a higher paying position"to get you out of the way.
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I am. I further believe that there is majority support for IA in the Hangar that I work at, given the flexibilities that the company is asking for the 3% they will surely be offering. It is fairly clear that 3% is unacceptable. There must be further financial inducement, be it by percentage pay rise or moving people up the scale. There is only one way to test the resolve of the members. If the members vote the action down, they can't then turn around and blame the executive for a poor EBA.
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And todays "Australian" stated Dixon's package had increased by 27%..........
I've been in this game for 30 years, a unionist for 26 years and an ALAEA member for the last 20 years...........
I've never been on strike............
Worst industrial action I've participated in was to attend paid stopwork meetings!
The only industrial action I can remember was when I was a first or second year apprentice. The LAME's were on strike for a short while(over Super, I think) and the tradesmen in the workshops were stood down for a few days. The apprentices were working, cleaning the workshops........
Management need a reality check...............
I've been in this game for 30 years, a unionist for 26 years and an ALAEA member for the last 20 years...........
I've never been on strike............
Worst industrial action I've participated in was to attend paid stopwork meetings!
The only industrial action I can remember was when I was a first or second year apprentice. The LAME's were on strike for a short while(over Super, I think) and the tradesmen in the workshops were stood down for a few days. The apprentices were working, cleaning the workshops........
Management need a reality check...............