Qf Engineers Ready For Industrial Action
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It's simple....as a QF PAX who just booked a return trip (on 738's) I want to know they are being maintained 100%, not like the OJ's mentioned above nor the CAC 737 in Japan or any other dodgy.
To me its black and white, fix it right the first time. I think most aussie pax think that way. We expect QF/JQ & VB all to maintain to a standard set in the past. About time we all stood up for it, PAX included.
J
To me its black and white, fix it right the first time. I think most aussie pax think that way. We expect QF/JQ & VB all to maintain to a standard set in the past. About time we all stood up for it, PAX included.
J
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Lets have a look at our options and how they will be viewed by the public -
-overtime and higher duties bans in support of EBA - greedy
-full stop work meetings in support of EBA - greedy and disruptive
-strike in support of higher wages - greedy and another reason to return Howard
-blackban OJO and OJQ in support of Aus Maint- already winning PR battle so why not
Remember these aircraft failed audits in Singapore and have had nothing but trouble since returning. We may all know about the staples in the EEL lighting on both aircraft but what about the other crap that didn't make the papers such as the steering bolt that was fouling because it was installed the wrong way. The swarf that was found in the WIU racks and last weeks finding on JQ. An oxy drop was attempted and only 1/3 of the jungle appeared, on investigation blanking plugs were found in the line from the check in Singapore 12 months ago. No need to worry though Qantas security were there to make sure the 500 did't fall in the wrong hands. It was rushed straight to DC who put it in the appropriate file.
It's time we made a stand on this one. We had a pi$$ weak union when they shut syd HM and they did nothing. This is our chance to get rid of the turd who did this to our workmates and so far the public is onside. I am yet to hear from one passenger or person in the press who doesn't care about safety and that QF aircraft get maintained properly. Cox can't drag us down in the press because he knows he is putting money before safety. ALAEA thanks for giving us a union again its about time.
-overtime and higher duties bans in support of EBA - greedy
-full stop work meetings in support of EBA - greedy and disruptive
-strike in support of higher wages - greedy and another reason to return Howard
-blackban OJO and OJQ in support of Aus Maint- already winning PR battle so why not
Remember these aircraft failed audits in Singapore and have had nothing but trouble since returning. We may all know about the staples in the EEL lighting on both aircraft but what about the other crap that didn't make the papers such as the steering bolt that was fouling because it was installed the wrong way. The swarf that was found in the WIU racks and last weeks finding on JQ. An oxy drop was attempted and only 1/3 of the jungle appeared, on investigation blanking plugs were found in the line from the check in Singapore 12 months ago. No need to worry though Qantas security were there to make sure the 500 did't fall in the wrong hands. It was rushed straight to DC who put it in the appropriate file.
It's time we made a stand on this one. We had a pi$$ weak union when they shut syd HM and they did nothing. This is our chance to get rid of the turd who did this to our workmates and so far the public is onside. I am yet to hear from one passenger or person in the press who doesn't care about safety and that QF aircraft get maintained properly. Cox can't drag us down in the press because he knows he is putting money before safety. ALAEA thanks for giving us a union again its about time.
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It's simple....as a QF PAX who just booked a return trip (on 738's) I want to know they are being maintained 100%, not like the OJ's mentioned above nor the CAC 737 in Japan or any other dodgy.
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That incident resulted in a world fleet inspection for a manufacturing deficiency, the inspection requirement doesn't relate to only those that have had maintenance performed.
Come on, keep up, you seem to be falling off a bit down the back there.......
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"That incident resulted in a world fleet inspection for a manufacturing deficiency,.."
Seems like Boeing engineering standards are dropping, too
(probably due to cost-cutting measures... oops sorry... as DC might put it... processes to survive competitive environments).
Boeing have made great airplanes in the past... and probably have saved many a passenger's neck (and maintenance engineer's reputation).
On the other hand, maintenance engineers have (in history) provided feedback to Boeing leading to an improved product. Undertrained and overworked engineers won't have the skills to recognise potential risks or the time to fill out forms every time they see a potential risk (and probably lack the incentive to do so if the company is undervaluing their efforts).
Seems like Boeing engineering standards are dropping, too
(probably due to cost-cutting measures... oops sorry... as DC might put it... processes to survive competitive environments).Boeing have made great airplanes in the past... and probably have saved many a passenger's neck (and maintenance engineer's reputation).
On the other hand, maintenance engineers have (in history) provided feedback to Boeing leading to an improved product. Undertrained and overworked engineers won't have the skills to recognise potential risks or the time to fill out forms every time they see a potential risk (and probably lack the incentive to do so if the company is undervaluing their efforts).
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beware of what you ask for the public may turn if you upset their travel plans,safety at a cost until it effects joe blogs once a year trip to hnl with family.and just be aware maint issues happen everywhere
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Grounding 2 aircraft won't interupt the public it will just mess with their scheds. I'd rather ground 2 aircraft than hit my own pocket with o/t bans. Is anyone really concerned about DC winning a pr battle? I can't see that happening.
The obvious question to ask is how would Qantas like it if instead of a CAC 737 burning on the Taramc it was a Qantas 747?
"Design deficiency"? my arse! Rotten maintenance.
"Design deficiency"? my arse! Rotten maintenance.
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Grounding those 2 aircraft would cause flight cancellations as well as delays because at present Qantas has no spare long range aircraft (due to the delay in A380 deliveries).
I do not want to stuff up joe public's travel plans but it is imperative that these aircraft have all the necessary inspections to ensure that they are safe. Qantas has been very lucky that the aircraft that fordran wrote about didn't have a depressurisation - lives would have been lost. No amount of spin from DC. GD, PG, MAJ, etc could justify lives being lost because of their desire to save/make money.
Grounding those 2 aircraft would cause flight cancellations as well as delays because at present Qantas has no spare long range aircraft (due to the delay in A380 deliveries).
I do not want to stuff up joe public's travel plans but it is imperative that these aircraft have all the necessary inspections to ensure that they are safe. Qantas has been very lucky that the aircraft that fordran wrote about didn't have a depressurisation - lives would have been lost. No amount of spin from DC. GD, PG, MAJ, etc could justify lives being lost because of their desire to save/make money.
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If the "management" thieves had their way, it would be APA's puppy now!
Unfortunately for the yobbo it is still on his watch...Cost cutting has a limit and it was passed. It was supposed to happen on another's shift...
It is a direct result of the Dixon edict.
Take a perfectly reputable airline and cut the living daylights out of a couple of things that made it what it is..One of those was maintenance, Dixon wanted it offshore, it is and look what happens!!
I will not strap my backside to OJO/OJQ until they are passed inhouse!
Unfortunately for the yobbo it is still on his watch...Cost cutting has a limit and it was passed. It was supposed to happen on another's shift...
It is a direct result of the Dixon edict.
Take a perfectly reputable airline and cut the living daylights out of a couple of things that made it what it is..One of those was maintenance, Dixon wanted it offshore, it is and look what happens!!
I will not strap my backside to OJO/OJQ until they are passed inhouse!
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Grounding 2 aircraft won't interupt the public it will just mess with their scheds. I'd rather ground 2 aircraft than hit my own pocket with o/t bans. Is anyone really concerned about DC winning a pr battle? I can't see that happening.
.e.g. Late departures due to awaiting the incoming A/C.. QF does not have spare aircraft sitting around so the sched is juggled and aircraft swapped constantly between flights to meet the demands. This works ok with known ground time. There is enough buffer built in to handle unscheduled engine changes etc but take 2 pieces out and the house of cards may not stand up should other non sched maintenance be required.
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"Design deficiency"? my arse! Rotten maintenance.
BTW, wasn't it a brand new aircraft?
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Going Boeing,
The Boeing inspection, subsequently made madatory within 24 days by FAA Emergency AD 2007-18-51 has now been escalated by Emergency AD 2007-18-52 to within 10 days and repeat every 3,000 flight cycles on the basis of initial inspection results. Those initial inspections uncovered several other cases of detached hardware; in some cases on recently delivered aeroplanes that would not normally have had any maintenance work carried out in this area.
How do you know recent maintenance was carried out on the offending part?
Not that it matters in light of the above report.
5 years old. recent maintenance was carried out on the offending part.
How do you know recent maintenance was carried out on the offending part?
Not that it matters in light of the above report.
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Who said that we are striking? That's why banning two unsafe aircraft has been chosen so we don't get the public offside. Frozo have you read the papers, seen the tv or heard any negative comments about the action on the radio. The public are 100% behind the union.
eg. I was watching a news program on CNBC Asia today that is based in Singapore and they had a story on the grounding of the 2 planes. The ALAEA had the balls to talk to them live. They read a preprepared statement from SIA backing the SIAEC facility in an attempt to ambush the asn and within 30 secs it was completely turned around. The interviewers from Singapore even agreed that grounding the planes was the only action so open your eyes and see whats happening.
What arguments can the press run when so many problems have been generated from the o'seas facility?
eg. I was watching a news program on CNBC Asia today that is based in Singapore and they had a story on the grounding of the 2 planes. The ALAEA had the balls to talk to them live. They read a preprepared statement from SIA backing the SIAEC facility in an attempt to ambush the asn and within 30 secs it was completely turned around. The interviewers from Singapore even agreed that grounding the planes was the only action so open your eyes and see whats happening.
What arguments can the press run when so many problems have been generated from the o'seas facility?
You'll win no friends in the public by striking?
I think it is now time for the ALEA to push the big red "SAFETY" button with the public real hard.
For example, if its true that QF has provisioned for a hull loss in the next five (or was it ten?) years, then this fact should be widely (and negatively) reported.
To me, it appears that Qf senior management are adopting the same approach to safety as a certain large oil company whose Longford plant blew up.
"Do what you can with the money we give you."
"**** the regulations and training manuals, for which you will receive princely rewards"
" Hope that nothing happens on your watch, because you will be the scapegoat if it does."
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That Qf engineering was second to none is unquestioned. I was always in awe of our maintenance, the knoweldge of our engineers nd the standards they adhered to professionally.
Short sighted management will come and go. It is the engineers who carry the can. It is time the airline was reclaimed by those with the operational expertise and these "visitors" be sidelined...Airlines are about moving people and freight safely and efficiently from A to B. That involves operational staff not bean counters with no understanding that safety does in fact cost money.
Q bean counters have "costed" an accident, they had better hope they are not on their junket when it happens
A properly targeted safety campaign is not industrial no matter what Cox or Dixon alledge. It is us with our bums strapped to the seats and those who maintain them and whose signature appears on the Tech Log who lose!
It isn't about race, it isn't about nationalism. It is about standards. This regime has sold out standards and ought be held to account before it is too late. If the regime won't listen the public will!
Short sighted management will come and go. It is the engineers who carry the can. It is time the airline was reclaimed by those with the operational expertise and these "visitors" be sidelined...Airlines are about moving people and freight safely and efficiently from A to B. That involves operational staff not bean counters with no understanding that safety does in fact cost money.
Q bean counters have "costed" an accident, they had better hope they are not on their junket when it happens
A properly targeted safety campaign is not industrial no matter what Cox or Dixon alledge. It is us with our bums strapped to the seats and those who maintain them and whose signature appears on the Tech Log who lose!
It isn't about race, it isn't about nationalism. It is about standards. This regime has sold out standards and ought be held to account before it is too late. If the regime won't listen the public will!