Mega Merged: Qantas Long Haul Cabin Crew Eba8 Negotiations
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that article in the Fin Review left me aghast!
I simply cannot believe that the FAAA has conceded defeat already!
MM hasn't flown for about 8 years now, he has lost all control, totally out of touch. he has to go!
I simply cannot believe that the FAAA has conceded defeat already!
MM hasn't flown for about 8 years now, he has lost all control, totally out of touch. he has to go!
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cartexchange.......Do you have any info.
The web site just say's something about a 'B' scale but you need to be a subscriber to get any more info......
What else did MM give away?
The web site just say's something about a 'B' scale but you need to be a subscriber to get any more info......
What else did MM give away?
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lower, I didn't read on line, it was in yesterdays Fin review, we read it on board.
it was quite interesting seeing the crew reaction.
the FAAA leadership should muzzle MM, he is fast becoming a megalomaniac, just look at the newsletters he has been publishing!
it was quite interesting seeing the crew reaction.
the FAAA leadership should muzzle MM, he is fast becoming a megalomaniac, just look at the newsletters he has been publishing!
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On another NOTE
Recently One of the FAAA newsletters was advising crew about unpaid mini bars!
I thought that was the job of the QF visitors, why is the FAAA doing their job.
what a waste of membership funds!
what is going on in that bunker!
I thought that was the job of the QF visitors, why is the FAAA doing their job.
what a waste of membership funds!
what is going on in that bunker!
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Media Porkies
You bunch are amazing!
Since when are media reports accurate?
Qantas advertises heavily..... particularly in the print media.
Reports are always going to be biased.
Want the truth?...ring MM and ask him.
This is a difficult negotiation and QF management would like nothing better than to have crew lose confidence in the FAAA.
Be a little more critical of what you read in the media and if you are worried..ring the union for clarification.
Stop being a bunch of Chicken Littles with a "sky is falling mentality"
Familiarize yourselves with the realities of the Aviation industry.
Let MM get on with his job.
Be assured if he capitulates he knows the consequences.
Passionate he is...stupid he ain't!!!!
Since when are media reports accurate?
Qantas advertises heavily..... particularly in the print media.
Reports are always going to be biased.
Want the truth?...ring MM and ask him.
This is a difficult negotiation and QF management would like nothing better than to have crew lose confidence in the FAAA.
Be a little more critical of what you read in the media and if you are worried..ring the union for clarification.
Stop being a bunch of Chicken Littles with a "sky is falling mentality"
Familiarize yourselves with the realities of the Aviation industry.
Let MM get on with his job.
Be assured if he capitulates he knows the consequences.
Passionate he is...stupid he ain't!!!!
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Was this article in the Fin Review an interview directly with MM or was it information from or through 'sources' ?
I would have thought that MM would have released a newsletter if he had done an interview with the paper and had released information to them or any third party.
I would have thought that MM would have released a newsletter if he had done an interview with the paper and had released information to them or any third party.
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DEFCON4...Truth more often than not is a matter of perspective and what you want to achieve.
if you asked the company they will give you their version of the truth as they see it and the union will do the same and 9 times out of ten they will not be the same.This is because they have different agenda's and want others to see a different perspective.
History is littered with examples of "both sides of the story".So to simply say ring the office will only give you one side of the story.
What I find interesting is that if MM gave some statements to the paper you would think he would have put out a newsletter explaining those quotes or his version if he believes he was taken out of context as the media is prone to doing.
if you asked the company they will give you their version of the truth as they see it and the union will do the same and 9 times out of ten they will not be the same.This is because they have different agenda's and want others to see a different perspective.
History is littered with examples of "both sides of the story".So to simply say ring the office will only give you one side of the story.
What I find interesting is that if MM gave some statements to the paper you would think he would have put out a newsletter explaining those quotes or his version if he believes he was taken out of context as the media is prone to doing.
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Fin Review Article
Defcon4 is right ...MM is not stupid.
The Fin Review arcticle was merely what was stated to the recent FAAA membership meetings. Pity some of you are like backyard gossips who rely and thrive on on hearing second hand gossip and stupid rumours.
It is obvious the likes of cartexchange and midnight63 didn't bother going to any of the 20 FAAA meetings that were held in September, where the FAAA strategy was being discussed in huge and precise detail.
The key message in the Fin Review was this " new starters at the airline will have to accept lower conditions and longer hours than the existing workforce. The battle this time will be making sure current crew do not go backwards while simultaneously ensuring it keeps receiving work from the airline".
Its interesting that MM is being criticised by some in here because he intends to protect all existing crew. Some of you guys are really ridiculous. And i guess some of you really believe in the tooth fairy too, because you assume what a writer says in a newspaper is gospel and accurate.
Before any of you criticise others, you should have actually attended the FAAA meetings so that you could actually understand the Fin Review story.
The quotes attributed to MM were in regard to trying to get new work for Long Haul and getting employment here, whilst protecting terms and conditions for EXISTING crew.
Im glad MM runs the FAAA and not some of the chooks that post in here.
The Fin Review arcticle was merely what was stated to the recent FAAA membership meetings. Pity some of you are like backyard gossips who rely and thrive on on hearing second hand gossip and stupid rumours.
It is obvious the likes of cartexchange and midnight63 didn't bother going to any of the 20 FAAA meetings that were held in September, where the FAAA strategy was being discussed in huge and precise detail.
The key message in the Fin Review was this " new starters at the airline will have to accept lower conditions and longer hours than the existing workforce. The battle this time will be making sure current crew do not go backwards while simultaneously ensuring it keeps receiving work from the airline".
Its interesting that MM is being criticised by some in here because he intends to protect all existing crew. Some of you guys are really ridiculous. And i guess some of you really believe in the tooth fairy too, because you assume what a writer says in a newspaper is gospel and accurate.
Before any of you criticise others, you should have actually attended the FAAA meetings so that you could actually understand the Fin Review story.
The quotes attributed to MM were in regard to trying to get new work for Long Haul and getting employment here, whilst protecting terms and conditions for EXISTING crew.
Im glad MM runs the FAAA and not some of the chooks that post in here.
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Amen to That Eden
The Stupidity and Ignorance sometimes displayed in this forum have got to be QF Managements greatest allies.
In Australia there is no such thing as a reliable reputable tabloid.
Re Read some of the tripe that the Fin Review printed during the attempted private equity buy out.
The print media in australia is compliant ...period!!!!
In Australia there is no such thing as a reliable reputable tabloid.
Re Read some of the tripe that the Fin Review printed during the attempted private equity buy out.
The print media in australia is compliant ...period!!!!
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Cartexchange,
conversations I have had suggest that QF have had enough of settling the accounts of cabin crew who routinely don't pay their hotel bills and are going to start clause 11 proceedings against repeat offenders.
Maybe the FAAA don't want to have to waste valuable resources representing the interests of lowlife who won't put their hands in their pockets????
conversations I have had suggest that QF have had enough of settling the accounts of cabin crew who routinely don't pay their hotel bills and are going to start clause 11 proceedings against repeat offenders.
Maybe the FAAA don't want to have to waste valuable resources representing the interests of lowlife who won't put their hands in their pockets????
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yes you are correct.
But those idiots that dont pay their accounts on more than one occasions are on their own, they deserve a clause 11, however its up to QF visitors to chastise those crew.
Another Rumour has just started circulating maybe those in the know can shed some light on this:
Apparently MM has signed off on an "improved" crew rest for the A330 flying between LAX/AKL AND LAX/BNE but NOT horizontal rest as required.
I hope this is not true as nothing and I repeat nothing will upset the crew more than the lack of of horizontal rest on such long flights.
PS I did attend the FAAA meetings!
yes you are correct.
But those idiots that dont pay their accounts on more than one occasions are on their own, they deserve a clause 11, however its up to QF visitors to chastise those crew.
Another Rumour has just started circulating maybe those in the know can shed some light on this:
Apparently MM has signed off on an "improved" crew rest for the A330 flying between LAX/AKL AND LAX/BNE but NOT horizontal rest as required.
I hope this is not true as nothing and I repeat nothing will upset the crew more than the lack of of horizontal rest on such long flights.
PS I did attend the FAAA meetings!
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i did too
attend the meetings. MM was very coy about answering a lot of questions. i understand the faaa does't want to give away too much, but i remind the boys in the "bunker" that families out here are doing it tough. and for being critisised about the fin article its a bit like that,decon & eden. last eba negotiations MM critised Gd and co on a number of occassions and made numerous public comments about the performance of qf. this time he agrees with basicially all the companies assesssments. hence, the perception and comments from crews he has his own agenda now. i did see the crews on our flight reading the fin review article and the comments made about the boys weren't too kind.
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Exactly..Boys NOT Men
Whywould MM have his own agenda?
How would he benefit from that?
Where would you put horizontal crew rest on an A330?
You have Men in the FAAA and "boys"commentating
The "boys"(not men)are not happy.
The boys(not men)have never been kind or happy.
They sit on the sidelines, like armchair champions,telling Mohamed Ali how he should box.
How would he benefit from that?
Where would you put horizontal crew rest on an A330?
You have Men in the FAAA and "boys"commentating
The "boys"(not men)are not happy.
The boys(not men)have never been kind or happy.
They sit on the sidelines, like armchair champions,telling Mohamed Ali how he should box.
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Whywould MM have his own agenda?
How would he benefit from that?
How would he benefit from that?
You would have to be naive to either ask your question or believe that it is not possible.You only have to remember Sheer Nylon to understand the concern of crew at a time like this.She certainly had an agenda of her own not to mention the 'cosy relationship another union has with the company and a labour firm'.This is not a time to resort to name calling and petty attempts to ridicule others.
The union should release a newsletter to explain their view of the article in the Financial Review.Communication is the key to preventing rumours and strengthen solidarity at a time when it is needed the most.
I see that with Edens response the faaa early warning radar system is working fine so why not put out a newsletter to quell any concerns that crew might have after reading an article like that.
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Nervous Nellies
MM is not and never will be a rat like Sheer Nylon.
If the association put out a news letter every time one of the "boys" became a little nervous our mailboxes would be choked full.
Being naive is not part of my Vocab.I have a lot to lose like everyone else if these negotiations get screwed up.
Show some solidarity in this.MM's job is hard enough as it is.
He is passionate intelligent and qualified
Thats why he is doing the job and the armchair champions snipe from the sidelines.
This is all a bit like an under 7's soccer match on the weekend with beer bellied parents screaming at their kids from the sidelines.
The parents have never played soccer,dont even know the rules but they live their lives vicariously thru their progeny.
MMs job is a thankless one.
Bear that in mind next time you are ready to criticize.
You could of course stand for election to the FAAA.
If the association put out a news letter every time one of the "boys" became a little nervous our mailboxes would be choked full.
Being naive is not part of my Vocab.I have a lot to lose like everyone else if these negotiations get screwed up.
Show some solidarity in this.MM's job is hard enough as it is.
He is passionate intelligent and qualified
Thats why he is doing the job and the armchair champions snipe from the sidelines.
This is all a bit like an under 7's soccer match on the weekend with beer bellied parents screaming at their kids from the sidelines.
The parents have never played soccer,dont even know the rules but they live their lives vicariously thru their progeny.
MMs job is a thankless one.
Bear that in mind next time you are ready to criticize.
You could of course stand for election to the FAAA.
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Defcon,
I was hoping for a reply with more substance.
I would hardly call an article about us in the Australian Financial Review a small matter.It was not in a local community rag or even a company media release but a respected paper.
But if the faaa does not feel the need to communicate with it's members I can see why some believe they are arrogant.Keep up the sarcasm and belittling comments about your members concerns because that is exactly the reason why Howard will lose this election,he is out of touch.
If the association put out a news letter every time one of the "boys" became a little nervous our mailboxes would be choked full.
I would hardly call an article about us in the Australian Financial Review a small matter.It was not in a local community rag or even a company media release but a respected paper.
But if the faaa does not feel the need to communicate with it's members I can see why some believe they are arrogant.Keep up the sarcasm and belittling comments about your members concerns because that is exactly the reason why Howard will lose this election,he is out of touch.
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RedTBar...A Special Case
What do you require?
Personal consultation on every newspaper article printed about our negotiations?
If you are so concerned make a visit to the FAAA office.Its now closer to the base making for better communication and ease of access to members.
Peruse the latest FAAA financial statement.Its the best set of numbers I have seen in nearly 25 years of membership.
Flowers with your personal copy have been arranged thru Interflora and will be delivered to your home within the next 24 hours.
Take A Valium and watch some reruns of Bewitched.
Personal consultation on every newspaper article printed about our negotiations?
If you are so concerned make a visit to the FAAA office.Its now closer to the base making for better communication and ease of access to members.
Peruse the latest FAAA financial statement.Its the best set of numbers I have seen in nearly 25 years of membership.
Flowers with your personal copy have been arranged thru Interflora and will be delivered to your home within the next 24 hours.
Take A Valium and watch some reruns of Bewitched.
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Your right Surfside this is just like Bewitched because it is a lot like re runs.
When anyone asks the union can you let us know what that was about all you get in response is sarcasm and arrogance.
"if you don't like it why don't you run at the next elections"etc.
How hard would it be for a newsletter on the faaa website or is MM too busy doing interviews for the media?
When anyone asks the union can you let us know what that was about all you get in response is sarcasm and arrogance.
"if you don't like it why don't you run at the next elections"etc.
How hard would it be for a newsletter on the faaa website or is MM too busy doing interviews for the media?