No AOC for Skyairworld, delay for Solomon Airlines
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There's no reason to bag OA/ON. The Marshall community was too slow in kindling the Aussie market. They're probably too busy filling up flights to HNL and/or GUM anyway. Meanwhile OA was trying to sustain the loss incurred weekly due to the lack of public interest. Or else the market is too small for a Boeing service. Why not make connections in TRW as others suggested? You still end up in MAJ at the end of the day. What would you do if you're so business minded?
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Kwaj,
I think you need to come to grips with reality, it wasn't for lack of support by ON management but rather because 6 months of services that lacked the support of the local Marshallese community was more the reason the services were terminated. The ON management couldn't have offered more support than to keep a less than viable service going for as long as it did whilst awaiting the loads to build up.
I happened to be in Majuro when Our Airline had their launch and the reception from all levels (President down) was most enthusiastic but it hasn't translated into bums on seats. I now have a most expensive alternative option via Guam or Honolulu for any trips I wish to make to Majuro in the near future.
I do travel a considerable amount in the Pacific in the course of business and have seen a lot of airlines/aeroplanes come and go. As someone has already said, Our Airline/Air Nauru has been around for more than three decades which is not too bad an effort considering the vagaries of aviation in the Pacific. If anyone lasts it will be them, methinks.
and then had taken away from us, all due to bad planning and no support by ON management.
I happened to be in Majuro when Our Airline had their launch and the reception from all levels (President down) was most enthusiastic but it hasn't translated into bums on seats. I now have a most expensive alternative option via Guam or Honolulu for any trips I wish to make to Majuro in the near future.
I do travel a considerable amount in the Pacific in the course of business and have seen a lot of airlines/aeroplanes come and go. As someone has already said, Our Airline/Air Nauru has been around for more than three decades which is not too bad an effort considering the vagaries of aviation in the Pacific. If anyone lasts it will be them, methinks.
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Currently on the ABC Website
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Visit Time 14/07/2007 2:42 PM
Remark: I am interested as an lover of Australian Aviation and giving a Australian Companies a fair go that I am a little suprised by this 730 Report. This report was done with such a bias that I have never seen before from the 730 report. I would have to think that either Nonee Walsh had either a personal interest or a personal relationship with one of the people complaining about the safety of Strategic Aviation's/The Portugal Companys Aircraft. What I have been told by people in the industry is that Strategic Aviation's employees are very well trained and that the people that have most to gain from this report and any other attention was a company that most of the 3 masked individuals are employed by and that 1 is in fact a Director of that Company
Gee so much for fair go and maybe these people are less interested in safety of an aircraft and it passengers and more of destroying a companies name to then come in and profit from that companies demise.
Maybe we should also be looking at that company's "shonky" dealings with a south pacific airline and government and having the wrong aircraft.
Name Bias?
Subject ADF Troops and Transport
Visit Time 14/07/2007 8:41 AM
Remark: I am another ex-Strategic employee.
What is this reporters connection to SkyAirWorld? 3 SkyAirWorld employees dishonestly doing the playing dirty on their old company and Nonee seems to be the sole member of the media of Skyairworlds press releases - bias?
What are they trying to achieve? Could they do it better - I doubt it, look at the bunfight going on with Solomons Airlines!
Hifly is safe - I wouldn't have been with them if I thought I was in danger.
Really what a beat up! Surprised the ABC let themselves be sucked into this.
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Subject Strategic Aviation
Visit Time 14/07/2007 2:42 PM
Remark: I am interested as an lover of Australian Aviation and giving a Australian Companies a fair go that I am a little suprised by this 730 Report. This report was done with such a bias that I have never seen before from the 730 report. I would have to think that either Nonee Walsh had either a personal interest or a personal relationship with one of the people complaining about the safety of Strategic Aviation's/The Portugal Companys Aircraft. What I have been told by people in the industry is that Strategic Aviation's employees are very well trained and that the people that have most to gain from this report and any other attention was a company that most of the 3 masked individuals are employed by and that 1 is in fact a Director of that Company
Gee so much for fair go and maybe these people are less interested in safety of an aircraft and it passengers and more of destroying a companies name to then come in and profit from that companies demise.
Maybe we should also be looking at that company's "shonky" dealings with a south pacific airline and government and having the wrong aircraft.
Name Bias?
Subject ADF Troops and Transport
Visit Time 14/07/2007 8:41 AM
Remark: I am another ex-Strategic employee.
What is this reporters connection to SkyAirWorld? 3 SkyAirWorld employees dishonestly doing the playing dirty on their old company and Nonee seems to be the sole member of the media of Skyairworlds press releases - bias?
What are they trying to achieve? Could they do it better - I doubt it, look at the bunfight going on with Solomons Airlines!
Hifly is safe - I wouldn't have been with them if I thought I was in danger.
Really what a beat up! Surprised the ABC let themselves be sucked into this.
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ERJ170's for Nauru
The ERJ170 would be an ideal aircraft for services into MAJ, TRW and NAN.
The Marshall Island's Amata Kabua wanted to operate the BAE146, but Saab talked them into their 2000. Another interesting political decision.
Perhaps Nauru could operate a -145 or the -170 to support their 733 services and make INU a hub as they did 20 years ago when they had 7 aircraft operating (4 737-200s & 3 727-100s).
Yes, the launch of the ON service into MAJ was a great occasion, but never fully supported by ON management. They were too busy trying to make the Solomons toe-the-line in respect to supporting the one-airline policy that they think the Island States owes them. If there was any space on the aircraft beyond HIR, it was for INU residents and the Kiribati traveling public. The TRW-MAJ service was only put in place to pressure Kiribati and Fiji to reinstate their rights to the very profitable TRW-NAN link, which failed.
Historically there have been gaps in ON's operations over the years, with the suspension of their AOC (by both Britain and Australia); groundings; and the non-payment of lease fees or general lack of funds to pay QF and Haeco maintenance charges during that time.
Taiwan currently pays for the shortfall in revenue (or overpayment of their executives) to keep the airline going. Given the political situation of the Pacific these days, who'll guarantee Taiwan will keep topping up the till every they need an engine change or "C" check ?
The Marshall Island's Amata Kabua wanted to operate the BAE146, but Saab talked them into their 2000. Another interesting political decision.
Perhaps Nauru could operate a -145 or the -170 to support their 733 services and make INU a hub as they did 20 years ago when they had 7 aircraft operating (4 737-200s & 3 727-100s).
Yes, the launch of the ON service into MAJ was a great occasion, but never fully supported by ON management. They were too busy trying to make the Solomons toe-the-line in respect to supporting the one-airline policy that they think the Island States owes them. If there was any space on the aircraft beyond HIR, it was for INU residents and the Kiribati traveling public. The TRW-MAJ service was only put in place to pressure Kiribati and Fiji to reinstate their rights to the very profitable TRW-NAN link, which failed.
Historically there have been gaps in ON's operations over the years, with the suspension of their AOC (by both Britain and Australia); groundings; and the non-payment of lease fees or general lack of funds to pay QF and Haeco maintenance charges during that time.
Taiwan currently pays for the shortfall in revenue (or overpayment of their executives) to keep the airline going. Given the political situation of the Pacific these days, who'll guarantee Taiwan will keep topping up the till every they need an engine change or "C" check ?
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sydney canberra oh ya
e170 sydney canberra, perfect. 1200 over water no etops, wtf??? even a 733 at max zfw out of bn, can only carry a top of descent alternate. you reach circuit height your staying in hir. and it can rain heavily for hour without repose. asl the antononv drivers who waterskiied themselves into the bushes.
ask the qf boys who take island reservers and land with little orange lights on how it can rain in hn.
carry on!
ask the qf boys who take island reservers and land with little orange lights on how it can rain in hn.
carry on!
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Short and sweet answer Ithinkso is totally wrong. B737-300 can go to Hir make a couple of approaches and still get to Nauru or make a couple more and still get to Santo. ZFW 48307 MTOW 62822 Burn<2400/hr
Kwajmate the maj services were started prior to discussions re Nadi so your timetable is a little incorrect and although you appear to be knowledgable you are also wrong about Taiwan and exec salaries. You still sound to me like a bitter person with an agenda to push. The same attitude which proves the Pacific nations will never work together for a sensable solution.
I could say more but I don't think I would change your slanted bias.
Kwajmate the maj services were started prior to discussions re Nadi so your timetable is a little incorrect and although you appear to be knowledgable you are also wrong about Taiwan and exec salaries. You still sound to me like a bitter person with an agenda to push. The same attitude which proves the Pacific nations will never work together for a sensable solution.
I could say more but I don't think I would change your slanted bias.
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Yes, most certainly a tinge of bias in your tone, kwaj. If you care to look at how OA is now operating, you will find very little fat and government involvement. It is now running like a well oiled and lean machine. A lot of retrenchments and painful restructuring took place which never would have occurred in the past. Routes that don't at least break-even are discontinued after a reasonable trial period. In MAJ's case, a drastic drop in the USD/AUD exchange probably contributed to the lack of public interest there.
You compared OA with it's predessessor ON. Yes, it is still state owned but there is no other resemblance, especially in the area of finances. Taiwan does not prop up coffers. OA runs under it's own steam. If there's anything OA took from ON, it's the impecable safety record and longevity/experience in the region.
With it's painful restructuring and established experience and safety record, now, more than ever, is the time to invest in OA at a government level in the form of shares, regional support, codeshares, open skies etc etc.
The obvious first place to seek support is the Solomon Islands, followed by Kiribati, Marshalls, etc etc.
Until this happens, many more millions will be lost by those stubbornly trying to establish their own flag carrier.
The name Our Airline was purposefully coined to avoid nationalism and self interest. Only after Nauru's neighbours decide to be part-owners can this be realised.
You compared OA with it's predessessor ON. Yes, it is still state owned but there is no other resemblance, especially in the area of finances. Taiwan does not prop up coffers. OA runs under it's own steam. If there's anything OA took from ON, it's the impecable safety record and longevity/experience in the region.
With it's painful restructuring and established experience and safety record, now, more than ever, is the time to invest in OA at a government level in the form of shares, regional support, codeshares, open skies etc etc.
The obvious first place to seek support is the Solomon Islands, followed by Kiribati, Marshalls, etc etc.
Until this happens, many more millions will be lost by those stubbornly trying to establish their own flag carrier.
The name Our Airline was purposefully coined to avoid nationalism and self interest. Only after Nauru's neighbours decide to be part-owners can this be realised.
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Taiwan is funding Our Airline
A simple fact - the Taiwan government has a budgeted funding account for the 'Our Airline' operation and is not allocated as an aid project. Also the Nauruan government has sent a former Speaker of the House to Taipei as their Consul. He is very well respected in diplomatic circles and a very, very nice bloke. They are protecting their future flow of aid funds and ensuring the airline is also funded for the short term at least.
Finally, if you knew the salary levels of the ON 'management team' you'd know why they need the might of the Taiwan economy behind them. In Micronesia we are paid a reasonable salary for our efforts.
Finally, if you knew the salary levels of the ON 'management team' you'd know why they need the might of the Taiwan economy behind them. In Micronesia we are paid a reasonable salary for our efforts.
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Kwajmate wrong again The money from Taiwan is to assist in the purchase of the aircraft just as they did for Marshalls in buying their Dash 8
Also OA is operating under an Aussie AOC and therefore has to maintain the high Aussie standards thrust upon them. They therefore have to pay real world market rates for staff. Even still their pay rates are a small fraction of what Solomons pay their execs and certainly less than they would earn in Australia or o'seas.They also carry out more duties then just flying so on an hourly basis are probably more productive than you and your Micronesia counterparts. I didn't see them nearly bankrupt their airline recently by refusing to fly as Air Marshalls did. I won't let this thread decay to a slanging match but simply say don't comment on things you don't really know about. You state as fact things that are not fact
Also OA is operating under an Aussie AOC and therefore has to maintain the high Aussie standards thrust upon them. They therefore have to pay real world market rates for staff. Even still their pay rates are a small fraction of what Solomons pay their execs and certainly less than they would earn in Australia or o'seas.They also carry out more duties then just flying so on an hourly basis are probably more productive than you and your Micronesia counterparts. I didn't see them nearly bankrupt their airline recently by refusing to fly as Air Marshalls did. I won't let this thread decay to a slanging match but simply say don't comment on things you don't really know about. You state as fact things that are not fact
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According to Solomon Star, just not the passengers who are unhappy about the E-170
Finance Minister Gordon Darcy Lilo fired the former board amidst allegations it wrongly advised Cabinet in the acquisition of the controversial new Embraer 170 jet.
The leased 76-seater plane has led to a series of problems for the airline because of limits on its cargo and passenger carrying capacity.
Finance Minister Gordon Darcy Lilo fired the former board amidst allegations it wrongly advised Cabinet in the acquisition of the controversial new Embraer 170 jet.
The leased 76-seater plane has led to a series of problems for the airline because of limits on its cargo and passenger carrying capacity.
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This month's Aust Aviation has a feature on SkyAirWorld and is singing the praises of the E170 on the Solomons route (though there is reference to some of the issues raised here...)
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Originally Posted by apacau
This month's Aust Aviation has a feature on SkyAirWorld and is singing the praises of the E170 on the Solomons route (though there is reference to some of the issues raised here...)
Whilst it comes across as being more a profile of SAW as a whole, the article clearly points out the 170 has limitations on the direct BNE-HON services, a fact clearly conceded by SAW management, and I think even suggests a (far more appropriate) SAW 190 may see service on the sector sooner rather than later.
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glue sniffing?? excellent.
last time i flew the route in a 73, with a max zfw of 48.0, that left 4.5 over the top in hn. oh by the way son until recently didnt have refuelling for jets. oh and by the way they only carry 3000 litres surplus at the moment, oh and by the way when was the last time you saw son or vila, without at least an inter, oh and by the way who the f... would carry nauru as an alternate?? vila was the only viable alternate before, and it is less so now since it no longer has a llz. if your happy to arrive in vila with 30mins in the tanks, your a braver man than me.
happy to share the araldite with you guys
last time i flew the route in a 73, with a max zfw of 48.0, that left 4.5 over the top in hn. oh by the way son until recently didnt have refuelling for jets. oh and by the way they only carry 3000 litres surplus at the moment, oh and by the way when was the last time you saw son or vila, without at least an inter, oh and by the way who the f... would carry nauru as an alternate?? vila was the only viable alternate before, and it is less so now since it no longer has a llz. if your happy to arrive in vila with 30mins in the tanks, your a braver man than me.
happy to share the araldite with you guys
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by the way moonlight, your mtow is wrong, high by about a tonne and a half. a heavy 73 burns more than 2500/hr, and the leg being etops you also have to run your apu. any approach in hir is going to cost you at least 1.2t, landing weight hir will be your limiting factor due to the sector length. burn is about 8.0.therefore bout 12.5 max uplift out of bn.
i dont know what approaches they have there now, but in the past half of the time none of the nav aids worked,(vor and nbd), vila and son were the same. nou was the only real safe place to hide.
734 was a better aircraft for the sector.
more glue anyone??
i dont know what approaches they have there now, but in the past half of the time none of the nav aids worked,(vor and nbd), vila and son were the same. nou was the only real safe place to hide.
734 was a better aircraft for the sector.
more glue anyone??
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yes we did do syd-perth against jetstreams in the 73, however if you were there, you would know that that aircraft was limited on zfw, and never went out at max zfw. either youre relying on hearsay, or your memory is short.
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once again, 733 max payload around 13000. not 10000. 3 extra tonnes of juice makes a difference sweety. check you own figures. maybe airlines that limit their payload by 3 tonnes arent with us anymore??? can it be true, im right again????
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Why wouldn't Our Airline use Nauru as as alternate? It is part of their network and, looking at their schedule, if they missed out on Honiara and went to Nauru then at least the show is somewhat back on the rails. The schedule shows them returning to Honiara about 10 hours later on the way back to Brisbane so any Honiara passengers wouldn't be drastically inconvenienced. Sounds like a perfectly good call to me considering their particular operation.
I assume the Our Airline aircraft has standard 16 tonne tanks so, if Capt. Moonlight's figures are correct, then they should burn about 8 tonnes on the trip. That leaves around 8 tonnes for approaches and a diversion. Around 90 minutes to Vila would burn a bit bit less than 4 tonnes so wouldn't they arrive there with a bit over 3 tonnes? That is more than the 30 minutes you suggest so you figures look a bit dubious. If the operator you went to Honiara with arrived with 4.5 tonnes then I would be concerned they were cutting it too fine. You know, " an airspace above you, runway behind you" type of thing.
Why wouldn't Our Airline use Nauru as as alternate? It is part of their network and, looking at their schedule, if they missed out on Honiara and went to Nauru then at least the show is somewhat back on the rails. The schedule shows them returning to Honiara about 10 hours later on the way back to Brisbane so any Honiara passengers wouldn't be drastically inconvenienced. Sounds like a perfectly good call to me considering their particular operation.
I assume the Our Airline aircraft has standard 16 tonne tanks so, if Capt. Moonlight's figures are correct, then they should burn about 8 tonnes on the trip. That leaves around 8 tonnes for approaches and a diversion. Around 90 minutes to Vila would burn a bit bit less than 4 tonnes so wouldn't they arrive there with a bit over 3 tonnes? That is more than the 30 minutes you suggest so you figures look a bit dubious. If the operator you went to Honiara with arrived with 4.5 tonnes then I would be concerned they were cutting it too fine. You know, " an airspace above you, runway behind you" type of thing.