No AOC for Skyairworld, delay for Solomon Airlines
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Dont see a problem with RINGS concerns,obviously using the service.So, where do you draw the line,as DHD says,got to make some money,all well and good in a perfect world,however I would of thought providing a cost effective,viable service would be the best result for all concerned.
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Ringbinders comments seem quite fair to me, obviously saying it how he found it, the good and the bad.
However it must be a bit of a concern when around 20 percent of the total seat load don't get to travel at the same time as their baggage.
However it must be a bit of a concern when around 20 percent of the total seat load don't get to travel at the same time as their baggage.
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You are obviously one of those pax that makes it a pleasure to fly freight
It should be obvious that the Islands are not the place to make money and any attempt to put aircraft that can make money is a good thing.
You are obviously one of those pax that makes it a pleasure to fly freight
It should be obvious that the Islands are not the place to make money and any attempt to put aircraft that can make money is a good thing.
It might come as a surprise to you, but Solomon Airlines was quite profitable using the leased Qantas 737 some years back. When they ran into some sort of operational problems with the authorities and lost that aeroplane they remained profitable even using a leased Air Vanautu aeroplane. However, since that arrangement ceased, things have been a bit ad-hoc. The point is, the traffic (people and cargo) is there and the airline can make money but need the right aeroplane to do it. If you can't carry the loads that are there to be carried then you don't have the right aeroplane to begin with - unless you put on extra services so that you can carry the backlog, and that is a costly solution. From the perspective of a regular traveller, it is obvious that the Embraer wasn't the best choice.
As to your inane comment, maybe it's best you stick to flying freight if passenger satisfaction doesn't feature in your priorities!!!
Ringbinder I ask you - how can anyone deal with passenger satisfaction when the passenger - you in this case - bag out the aircraft before they even step a foot on it?
In my opinion the aircraft is more comfortable than the average 737.
I accept that the 170 may not be the ideal aircraft for the route but that is a function of a number of things - the aircraft not being one of them.
In my opinion the aircraft is more comfortable than the average 737.
I accept that the 170 may not be the ideal aircraft for the route but that is a function of a number of things - the aircraft not being one of them.
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Ringbinder I ask you - how can anyone deal with passenger satisfaction when the passenger - you in this case - bag out the aircraft before they even step a foot on it?
In my opinion the aircraft is more comfortable than the average 737.
I accept that the 170 may not be the ideal aircraft for the route but that is a function of a number of things - the aircraft not being one of them.
In my opinion the aircraft is more comfortable than the average 737.
I accept that the 170 may not be the ideal aircraft for the route but that is a function of a number of things - the aircraft not being one of them.
1. It would serve you well if you really read my previous posts. I am well familiar with the Embraer, as recently as of last Sunday (if you refer to my post of yesterday at 2052) wherein I acknowledge Phlaps 40's valid comment on the extra shoulder width. Can't imagine how I'd do that if I'd never "even step a foot on it". Also my even earlier post referring to finding it claustophobic - wonder how I found it so if I'd never been in one???
2. Your opinion with which I disagree, but I respect your right to it.
3. Incorrect, the aeroplane choice is one of the singly most important factors. Solomon Airlines got it right with the Qantas 737 lease and the Air Vanuatu lease. I'm left wondering why they went against a combination that proved successful.
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OK, so my scepticism was misplaced and the AOC came through. I guess it was a commendable effort in the circumstances.
However, having said that it appears things could be going better. Two associates booked to travel to HIR with Solair were bumped to another carrier today for "operational reasons" - whatever that means - and they weren't alone. Upon arrival in HIR it was obvious that there were a considerable number of bags from previous Solair flights also on that other carriers flight.
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However, having said that it appears things could be going better. Two associates booked to travel to HIR with Solair were bumped to another carrier today for "operational reasons" - whatever that means - and they weren't alone. Upon arrival in HIR it was obvious that there were a considerable number of bags from previous Solair flights also on that other carriers flight.
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Not Going Well ????????????
Apparently Ozjet operated the services today as a result of a dispute between Solair and Skyairworld.
Word is that the E170 is not carrying anywhere near the payload promised by skyairworld and passengers are booking on Our Airline as a first preference.
Max payload is approx 55 pax and Solair were told it would be a full load of 70+
Will be interesting to watch over next few days
Word is that the E170 is not carrying anywhere near the payload promised by skyairworld and passengers are booking on Our Airline as a first preference.
Max payload is approx 55 pax and Solair were told it would be a full load of 70+
Will be interesting to watch over next few days
'Our Airline' was formerly known as Air Nauru. Only thing that has changed is the route structure and aircraft. Gone is the 737-400 VH-RON. They now operate a 300 VH-INU. Think they operate BNE-HIR-INU-MAJ-TRW twice weekly and return next day. Maybe also some charter work in between.
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Originally Posted by downt3gr33ns
Obviously from a couple of previous posts regarding off-loaded passengers and bags left behind there is a serious problem with the -170.
Yesterday's service interruption had nothing at all to do with the Embraer, nor with SAW's ability to operate the service.
Originally Posted by downt3gr33ns
Makes you wonder about Solomon Airlines getting the right guarantees, and verifying them, before signing any contracts. Maybe the management of the airline should be held to account for not doing their homework correctly rather than relying on the promises of others. Ahh - reminds me of other Pacific nations over the years and their blind acceptance of things from ..... is "carpetbaggers" too strong a description?
Absolutely it is, as is...
Originally Posted by downt3gr33ns
"snake oil salesmen"
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Originally Posted by wallabyblue
Word is that the E170 is not carrying anywhere near the payload promised by skyairworld and passengers are booking on Our Airline as a first preference.
But the thing is, right out of the box the aircraft has already proven it is fully capable of carrying 76 passengers plus luggage in both directions, BNE-HON, or HON-BNE, but with a need to have sufficient fuel reserves to divert to Santo if required, there's not a whole lot of margin for the extra or oversize baggage that is frequently carried by VIP passengers on that service.
At the end of the day, Solomon Airlines is responsible for determining the loading priorities of its passengers, baggage and cargo.
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Magoo,
You are obviously a SAW employee so can you please fill us in on a couple of things?
1. Why did Ozjet operate instead of SAW
2. Can the E170 carry all of the pax and bags BNE-HON with an alternate (Santo) with VIP's on board
3. Can you confirm that the cargo required in the Solomons can be carried as well on the E170 or is it going on another aircraft
4. How many VIPs does it take before you start off loading other peoples baggage?
You are obviously a SAW employee so can you please fill us in on a couple of things?
1. Why did Ozjet operate instead of SAW
2. Can the E170 carry all of the pax and bags BNE-HON with an alternate (Santo) with VIP's on board
3. Can you confirm that the cargo required in the Solomons can be carried as well on the E170 or is it going on another aircraft
4. How many VIPs does it take before you start off loading other peoples baggage?
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Originally Posted by flash8400
You are obviously a SAW employee so can you please fill us in on a couple of things?
Originally Posted by flash8400
1. Why did Ozjet operate instead of SAW
Originally Posted by flash8400
2. Can the E170 carry all of the pax and bags BNE-HON with an alternate (Santo) with VIP's on board
Originally Posted by flash8400
3. Can you confirm that the cargo required in the Solomons can be carried as well on the E170 or is it going on another aircraft
Originally Posted by flash8400
4. How many VIPs does it take before you start off loading other peoples baggage?
Sorry to disappoint that I'm not an insider; I just do my homework before posting.
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Magoo,
I dont mean to be personnal, I was simply asking questions regarding the operation but how can you be sure you are right. Operators dont just give up their flights to other operators and airlines dont just change operators for the heck of it.
You say that you just happen to ask questions of people who KNOW what's going on before posting speculation or otherwise unsubstantiated crap! Yet you have not provided any substantiated information as to why Ozjet operated on behalf of Solomon Airlines and if you are not an empoyee maybe should not comment on the contract between Solomon Airlines and SAW because if you are wrong it might be classed as speculation or unsubstantiated crap!
If you are an employee (which you have stated you are not) then I stand corrected in relation to all comments above except the reason for Ozjet operating on behalf of Solomon Airlines but can you confirm to us if the jungle jet can carry a full load of passengers with 16kg of baggage and carry on baggage BNE-HON with Santo as the alternate.
Can anyone tell me what is happening to the cargo which doesnt seem to be going on SAW flights?
I dont mean to be personnal, I was simply asking questions regarding the operation but how can you be sure you are right. Operators dont just give up their flights to other operators and airlines dont just change operators for the heck of it.
You say that you just happen to ask questions of people who KNOW what's going on before posting speculation or otherwise unsubstantiated crap! Yet you have not provided any substantiated information as to why Ozjet operated on behalf of Solomon Airlines and if you are not an empoyee maybe should not comment on the contract between Solomon Airlines and SAW because if you are wrong it might be classed as speculation or unsubstantiated crap!
If you are an employee (which you have stated you are not) then I stand corrected in relation to all comments above except the reason for Ozjet operating on behalf of Solomon Airlines but can you confirm to us if the jungle jet can carry a full load of passengers with 16kg of baggage and carry on baggage BNE-HON with Santo as the alternate.
Can anyone tell me what is happening to the cargo which doesnt seem to be going on SAW flights?
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I don't know the situation now but when FJ operated the service for Solair between BNE and HIR quite a bit of freight went via FJ from Australia to Nadi then on to HIR as the passenger load factor NAN-HIR wasn't that good. Perhaps it's still the same.
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3. Can you confirm that the cargo required in the Solomons can be carried as well on the E170 or is it going on another aircraft
If it helps answer your question, my freight lodged in Brisbane the week before last did not turn up on Monday, nor Tuesday, nor Wednesday but came on Thursday. Lodged in the usual manner, consigned through the same freight consolidator/forwarder as in the past but arrived with another airlines Air Waybill (and it wasn't Air Pacific) rather than the Solomon Airlines documentation as was the case previously. Makes you wonder who it came with .................!!!! It was only around 90 kgs, too.
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Movin up, thanks for the feedback.
Does anyone know the truth about why Ozjet operated the flight instead of SAW?
Seems like Our Airline is becoming the national carrier and the E170 should be used island hopping instead of the trunk routes
DOH
Does anyone know the truth about why Ozjet operated the flight instead of SAW?
Seems like Our Airline is becoming the national carrier and the E170 should be used island hopping instead of the trunk routes
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I must say that I am amazed that in this day and age with business secrets and privacy rules that you could simply ask questions and be given answers that only an insider of SAW would know.
I agree with Flash8400, you must be part of SAW in one way or another or someone from SAW is feeding you information to post on this website, to defend them in the way you do and also have all the answers you have had in the last 6 months or so.
and privacy rules that you could simply ask questions and be given answers that only an insider of SAW would know.I agree with Flash8400, you must be part of SAW in one way or another or someone from SAW is feeding you information to post on this website, to defend them in the way you do and also have all the answers you have had in the last 6 months or so.
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I think you can add Cargo 744 and Velvethammer to your list of SAW employees/Directors.
I wonder when they will have something to brag about as it seems they disappear when there is bad news about SAW.
I wonder when they will have something to brag about as it seems they disappear when there is bad news about SAW.
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bigjet787I think you can add Cargo 744 and Velvethammer to your list of SAW employees/Directors.
I wonder when they will have something to brag about as it seems they disappear when there is bad news about SAW.
Thank you for your insinuation Bigjet (MJ)... unfortunately i am currently with a carrier voted recently worst airline... BUGGER!!! But i do speak with people involved in that op. I am looking forward to a program to be aired on the ABC about your organisation!!
I wonder when they will have something to brag about as it seems they disappear when there is bad news about SAW.
Thank you for your insinuation Bigjet (MJ)... unfortunately i am currently with a carrier voted recently worst airline... BUGGER!!! But i do speak with people involved in that op. I am looking forward to a program to be aired on the ABC about your organisation!!
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I must say that I am amazed that in this day and age with business secrets and privacy rules that you could simply ask questions and be given answers that only an insider of SAW would know.
I agree with Flash8400, you must be part of SAW in one way or another or someone from SAW is feeding you information to post on this website, to defend them in the way you do and also have all the answers you have had in the last 6 months or so.
Again you guys claim to be close to the SAW group yet you say that you know someone close. Loose lips sink ships.
Just supporting the facts again and can you fill us in more regarding the ABC?
Maybe you can fill us in as to why SAW seems not to be able to carry all the passengers and baggage? Seeing you are so close to them and all.
I must say that I am amazed that in this day and age with business secrets
and privacy rules that you could simply ask questions and be given answers that only an insider of SAW would know.I agree with Flash8400, you must be part of SAW in one way or another or someone from SAW is feeding you information to post on this website, to defend them in the way you do and also have all the answers you have had in the last 6 months or so.
Again you guys claim to be close to the SAW group yet you say that you know someone close. Loose lips sink ships.
Just supporting the facts again and can you fill us in more regarding the ABC?
Maybe you can fill us in as to why SAW seems not to be able to carry all the passengers and baggage? Seeing you are so close to them and all.