Rex; Pilot Exodus
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I don't think REX managment are aware of how serious their crewing issues are going to be.....
A total of around 50 guys leaving in the next 4-6 months is going to really bite..
And I hear today that all of the guys interviewed in the last couple of days missed out.....It's no wonder though with the great N.H interviewing them!!!
A total of around 50 guys leaving in the next 4-6 months is going to really bite..
And I hear today that all of the guys interviewed in the last couple of days missed out.....It's no wonder though with the great N.H interviewing them!!!
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good oil
There have been a lot of negative comments about REX lately, some fair and some unfair.
Yes there have been difficulties getting crews lately and management have seemed slow to react to the impending shortages.
There are a lot of good operators who have missed out at interview either through poor preperation, inadequate knowledge, difficulty with the Meto sim or they just did not click with the interviewers on the day.
Most operators there days, after a period of time will give pilots a second interview if they can prove they are still keen and have gained extra experience/knowledge etc. For those still interested maybe this would be an option worth persuing.
There will always be pilots who think they should be flying bigger airoplanes, being paid more and working less, this has been the case throughout the industry from 210 to 747 drivers and I'm will never change.
The reality is that you cannot work more than 45 hours a week, most currently work less than the average working week (38 hours).
Even a first year FO (who the company has spent a considerable amount of money training) when you add DTA allowances, annual profit share and free annual shares gifts is earning more than the average wage (50K).
The salary then increases each year for the next 10 years on top of annual EBA increases in July. With commands now about 3 years and decreasing the prospect of earning a package of 80K to 90K is realistic.
Though this is less than the big boys are paying when compared to what the average Australian is earning including many other professions, its not too bad.
While REX is not for everyone there are still a lot of people in the company who enjoy their job.
At the end of the day it's all a matter of attitude !!!
Yes there have been difficulties getting crews lately and management have seemed slow to react to the impending shortages.
There are a lot of good operators who have missed out at interview either through poor preperation, inadequate knowledge, difficulty with the Meto sim or they just did not click with the interviewers on the day.
Most operators there days, after a period of time will give pilots a second interview if they can prove they are still keen and have gained extra experience/knowledge etc. For those still interested maybe this would be an option worth persuing.
There will always be pilots who think they should be flying bigger airoplanes, being paid more and working less, this has been the case throughout the industry from 210 to 747 drivers and I'm will never change.
The reality is that you cannot work more than 45 hours a week, most currently work less than the average working week (38 hours).
Even a first year FO (who the company has spent a considerable amount of money training) when you add DTA allowances, annual profit share and free annual shares gifts is earning more than the average wage (50K).
The salary then increases each year for the next 10 years on top of annual EBA increases in July. With commands now about 3 years and decreasing the prospect of earning a package of 80K to 90K is realistic.
Though this is less than the big boys are paying when compared to what the average Australian is earning including many other professions, its not too bad.
While REX is not for everyone there are still a lot of people in the company who enjoy their job.
At the end of the day it's all a matter of attitude !!!
from the top,
agree with most of your sentiments but...
An experienced, highly trained regional airline pilot is not your average Aussie worker.
And they will only become rarer!
agree with most of your sentiments but...
An experienced, highly trained regional airline pilot is not your average Aussie worker.
And they will only become rarer!
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From the top, you seem to under-rate your own/ rex's pilot's worth. An FO has to do significant amounts of overnights to earn 50 grand, and year duty time may be less than 38 hours but what about time spent in bum pluck towns like Mt Gambier or Griffith.
How about crew meals, what time is considered free of duty? When does a Sydney or Melbourne crew have time to get to a shop?
UM's? Trims? Pax marshalling? Cleaning? where does it all end?
If you think these conditions are acceptable then you are out of touch with market expectations. And the standard response is the aircraft weighs this much and the dash weighs this much so bla bla. Ok then well multiple the weight of a Chieftan by 4 and their drivers salery (45K) by 4 then it comes to 180K - weight my arse!
The problem lies in the well known lack of solidarity amoungst the pilot group and the unwillingness of the PC to do anything about it.
I'm glad your happy with the wages, some of us have families. I am constantly saying 'money's too tight for steak' i wonder if Kim Jon Ill is saying the same in his villa in Singapore.
How about crew meals, what time is considered free of duty? When does a Sydney or Melbourne crew have time to get to a shop?
UM's? Trims? Pax marshalling? Cleaning? where does it all end?
If you think these conditions are acceptable then you are out of touch with market expectations. And the standard response is the aircraft weighs this much and the dash weighs this much so bla bla. Ok then well multiple the weight of a Chieftan by 4 and their drivers salery (45K) by 4 then it comes to 180K - weight my arse!
The problem lies in the well known lack of solidarity amoungst the pilot group and the unwillingness of the PC to do anything about it.
I'm glad your happy with the wages, some of us have families. I am constantly saying 'money's too tight for steak' i wonder if Kim Jon Ill is saying the same in his villa in Singapore.
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At the end of the day it's all a matter of attitude !!!
Even a first year FO (who the company has spent a considerable amount of money training) when you add DTA allowances, annual profit share and free annual shares gifts is earning more than the average wage (50K).
You do have a smell of management though, as well as a smell of company arrogance and desperation
Most operators there days, after a period of time will give pilots a second interview if they can prove they are still keen and have gained extra experience/knowledge etc. For those still interested maybe this would be an option worth persuing.
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Comparative Salaries
I have had a Rex interview some time in the last 6 months - but this week I was offered Chief Pilot for a new airwork operation.
All ops day VFR, not much time away from home, all expenses covered.
The owner of the business had no idea what pilots earnt - he made all the same assumptions made by the General Public - but he recognised that to keep a capable, intelligent Chief Pilot in the operation you had to offer a competitive package.
Does 80k sound OK to you guys for flying a C206?
All ops day VFR, not much time away from home, all expenses covered.
The owner of the business had no idea what pilots earnt - he made all the same assumptions made by the General Public - but he recognised that to keep a capable, intelligent Chief Pilot in the operation you had to offer a competitive package.
Does 80k sound OK to you guys for flying a C206?
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Just an opinion that may not be supported by the facts...
2 years ago, it wasn't critical for the people responsible for hiring pilots to keep track of the applicants. Their qualifications were assessed, but no one cared about the people behind the resumes. Now we're going into a period where the boot's on the other foot. Companies need to put resources into keeping track of and keeping in touch with their applicants. If not, they'll want to hire someone at their leisure only to find out, as in the posts above, that a significant number of applicants are no longer available. It will mean additional staff and more pressure on the people doing the hiring, but that's the climate we're going into.
By the tone of Bendo's writing above, maybe we're starting to see the resurgence of the sensible GA operator. Perhaps the approaching shortage of pilots may have the secondary effect of persuading legitimate, bright and resourceful operators back into the industry at the expense of many of the crooks. We can hope.
2 years ago, it wasn't critical for the people responsible for hiring pilots to keep track of the applicants. Their qualifications were assessed, but no one cared about the people behind the resumes. Now we're going into a period where the boot's on the other foot. Companies need to put resources into keeping track of and keeping in touch with their applicants. If not, they'll want to hire someone at their leisure only to find out, as in the posts above, that a significant number of applicants are no longer available. It will mean additional staff and more pressure on the people doing the hiring, but that's the climate we're going into.
By the tone of Bendo's writing above, maybe we're starting to see the resurgence of the sensible GA operator. Perhaps the approaching shortage of pilots may have the secondary effect of persuading legitimate, bright and resourceful operators back into the industry at the expense of many of the crooks. We can hope.
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Wish i could fly for REX. Got sucked in flying n a Metro as an FO with a bare comercial. All was good, then went very bad! I Have young family so, i cant afford to travel and work up north etc. What do you guys reckon i do, give up, or any ideas how i can achieve my goal and pay some of the bills?
I'm seeing this sort of thing more often. It looks like a dream come true, but be careful boys and girls. If there is no progression to the left seat, these operators will continue to exploit you with low pay, dodgy conditions, and then gladly accept your resignation when the next fresh faced wannabe comes along.
If it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is.
As far as REX is concerned, I'm assuming the 500 hours multi command is the problem?
If it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is.
As far as REX is concerned, I'm assuming the 500 hours multi command is the problem?
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Kampai38 hours a week?
you have got to be kidding me
try 50+, fms, no profit share the trend is here
Are you suggesting that REX pilots regularly exceed duty limitations?
Do go on..........
you have got to be kidding me
try 50+, fms, no profit share the trend is here
Are you suggesting that REX pilots regularly exceed duty limitations?
Do go on..........
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no not say that, i was thinking that things weren't that bad. the 38 hour week is long gone in most industries in oz, so maybe things could be worse
. but i'm no expert on what goes on down there
no not say that, i was thinking that things weren't that bad. the 38 hour week is long gone in most industries in oz, so maybe things could be worse
. but i'm no expert on what goes on down there
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24000 views and I suspect not one by Rex management, maybe they have their collective 'heads in the sand', along with the Eastern management...
By the way what's happened to the thread starter? Haven't seen him for quite a few pages, he must be working his ass off, or perhaps busy sending out resumes!
By the way what's happened to the thread starter? Haven't seen him for quite a few pages, he must be working his ass off, or perhaps busy sending out resumes!
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...know of at least 2 pilots getting a days pay docked for ringing in sick.
As the President says in Clear and Present Danger, "Just how dumb are these people?"