Rex; Pilot Exodus
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1/2 bank,
With REX missing out on OLD, any ideas as to how this happened and which operator won the contract ?
I am very sad to say that REX is not a 'great place' to work at present. Morale is very low. Have you not read the previous posts that attain to this fact. If you are an employee, are you seriously unaware that the majority are crying out for improved pay and conditions.
Please enlighten this forum as to what happens if you 'rock the boat' and the meaning of 'banging F/A's, which are both hard to do on a potentially sinking ship!!
With REX missing out on OLD, any ideas as to how this happened and which operator won the contract ?
I am very sad to say that REX is not a 'great place' to work at present. Morale is very low. Have you not read the previous posts that attain to this fact. If you are an employee, are you seriously unaware that the majority are crying out for improved pay and conditions.
Please enlighten this forum as to what happens if you 'rock the boat' and the meaning of 'banging F/A's, which are both hard to do on a potentially sinking ship!!
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The Olympic dam run was always dependant on the mining sector. Otherwise, why in gods name would you go there!
It's also a long haul from AD in a SAAB, so I guess as soon as a jet operator, Charter or otherwise came in, the load factors would drop significantly.
Rex management are extremely pragmatic when it comes to making tough decisions about routes. They have not hesitated in the past to liquidate a weak performer. With the current shortage of both crews and aircraft, they will have no trouble reassigning the capacity where it is needed elsewhere on the network.
It blows me away that this pragmatism is completely lacking when it comes to crew T&C's and morale. If they don't get with the program quick, the consequenses will make Olympic Dam look like a non event by comparison.
1/2 bank,
Have you seen the majority of the girls at REX, Outstanding, who can blame these guys. After all these years, I'm a little off the pace, but most of the relationships appear genuine and between really nice people.
It's also a long haul from AD in a SAAB, so I guess as soon as a jet operator, Charter or otherwise came in, the load factors would drop significantly.
Rex management are extremely pragmatic when it comes to making tough decisions about routes. They have not hesitated in the past to liquidate a weak performer. With the current shortage of both crews and aircraft, they will have no trouble reassigning the capacity where it is needed elsewhere on the network.
It blows me away that this pragmatism is completely lacking when it comes to crew T&C's and morale. If they don't get with the program quick, the consequenses will make Olympic Dam look like a non event by comparison.
1/2 bank,
Have you seen the majority of the girls at REX, Outstanding, who can blame these guys. After all these years, I'm a little off the pace, but most of the relationships appear genuine and between really nice people.
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Ahh yes rocking the boat....wouldn't want to do that would we??. But when is rocking the boat "rocking the boat", and when is it just trying to get your slack arse superviser off his ar$e to imporve the base and how things are run.
Fortunatly Rex ADL does not have the problems it used to in the FOM department. I mean I'm sure all the guys down there were happy to have a FOM that worked "12 days straight" to help out when they all moved over to the new terminal...and just incase anyone missed this huge effort he even put it down in writing in one of those infamous memos....even CAO 48 does not apply to this guy!
Rocking the boat can include...
Not operating ground equipment for which your not trained on.
Informing your supervisor that the standards at the outports is below par.
Expecting your supervisor to be in his office on an Admin work day.
Expecting your supervisor to take action on legitiment issuses...many that are related to safety.
The list goes on, and I'm sure you get my point. All I can say is if there are any J* capts reading this.....make sure you don't rock the boat.
Fortunatly Rex ADL does not have the problems it used to in the FOM department. I mean I'm sure all the guys down there were happy to have a FOM that worked "12 days straight" to help out when they all moved over to the new terminal...and just incase anyone missed this huge effort he even put it down in writing in one of those infamous memos....even CAO 48 does not apply to this guy!
Rocking the boat can include...
Not operating ground equipment for which your not trained on.
Informing your supervisor that the standards at the outports is below par.
Expecting your supervisor to be in his office on an Admin work day.
Expecting your supervisor to take action on legitiment issuses...many that are related to safety.
The list goes on, and I'm sure you get my point. All I can say is if there are any J* capts reading this.....make sure you don't rock the boat.
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More REX Issues !!
Well Guys, Some Good and some very poor points have been added in this thread by some who clearly know hat their talking about and some that dont.
Heres the FACTS:
1. Rex pilots will continue to suffer and be taken advantage of while ever we have a very poor quality pilot commitee. I know what your all going to say......theyre the only ones who put forward their time...RUBBISH. These are the same company yes men we continue to have on the RPC. they jump at the chance to have any involvement in these sort of things so they can be closest to the gossip. Its sad but things wont change until a realistic group of PRACTICAL memebers are chosen.
2. Working for REX is not that bad. Its the little things that would make life easier. GPUs that work, AC units that are actually used, more realistic schedules ( is it that hard to add 5 min guys ??) etc, etc, etc, etc
Truth is REX is brought to its knees by very very very poor quality middle management (gate, OPS, Airports etc). the sooner the company addresses the little things the sooner people will actually consider longer term things. Ive worked in 2 capital city bases and things are always the same.
3. REX pilots need to have the b***s to stay home on a casual day. Dont come in claim your cash and then bitch to others the next day. One in all in.
4. lets face it, we will NEVER get a significant pay rise. Its far better off putting our efforts toward making life at work a little easier for staff on the line.
5. For the record the REX checking and Training department has never been better. NH might be a little difficult to deal with at times but all the bitching comes from the same guys ( the ones who dont put any effort in, bitch all the time, have appaulling SOPS and FAIL in the sim and on line). We have one of the best FCOMS out there. Our procedures are safe and cater for the lowest common denominator. Operating like "the good old days" does not have a place in todays airline environment.
Look guys, pilots are getting harder to find. its about time pilots got together as one and actually put pressure on operators to achieve some of the smaller things.
Agree or disagree, these are the simple FACTS about Rex
Thanks
Heres the FACTS:
1. Rex pilots will continue to suffer and be taken advantage of while ever we have a very poor quality pilot commitee. I know what your all going to say......theyre the only ones who put forward their time...RUBBISH. These are the same company yes men we continue to have on the RPC. they jump at the chance to have any involvement in these sort of things so they can be closest to the gossip. Its sad but things wont change until a realistic group of PRACTICAL memebers are chosen.
2. Working for REX is not that bad. Its the little things that would make life easier. GPUs that work, AC units that are actually used, more realistic schedules ( is it that hard to add 5 min guys ??) etc, etc, etc, etc
Truth is REX is brought to its knees by very very very poor quality middle management (gate, OPS, Airports etc). the sooner the company addresses the little things the sooner people will actually consider longer term things. Ive worked in 2 capital city bases and things are always the same.
3. REX pilots need to have the b***s to stay home on a casual day. Dont come in claim your cash and then bitch to others the next day. One in all in.
4. lets face it, we will NEVER get a significant pay rise. Its far better off putting our efforts toward making life at work a little easier for staff on the line.
5. For the record the REX checking and Training department has never been better. NH might be a little difficult to deal with at times but all the bitching comes from the same guys ( the ones who dont put any effort in, bitch all the time, have appaulling SOPS and FAIL in the sim and on line). We have one of the best FCOMS out there. Our procedures are safe and cater for the lowest common denominator. Operating like "the good old days" does not have a place in todays airline environment.
Look guys, pilots are getting harder to find. its about time pilots got together as one and actually put pressure on operators to achieve some of the smaller things.
Agree or disagree, these are the simple FACTS about Rex
Thanks
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For the guys that are not happy at Rex I suppose the next EBA is a good time to try and sort things out....if not stop carrying on about it. I remember thinking it was all pretty tough when going through GA but when you come out the end of it all you have are good memories and great experience, which I think is what alot of guys will have when they are done at Rex.
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areal,
thank you for your apology mate, nice one!
Mention 1,
Please tell me you're not alluding that once FO's become Capt's (after approx 4 years) that the dreary pay and conditions become reasonable???? I know for a fact that im not alone when I say that "earning 70+k to be accountable for everyone and everything that takes place on your watch", is an absolute joke. I have family that earn 60K answering phones in a call centre.... which I was completely horrified to learn just recently. In light of finding this out, I am actually a bit ashamed that I have accepted the T&C's at Rex in order to be employed. If flight crew take a stand to boycott RDO's or any other relavent action.. I will be first in line.
Regarding your suggestion re bidding... that would be a way forward. Rex is one of few airlines where seniority and seniority lists mean nothing (with the exception of command slots) I would be happy for the oppotunity to bid for duties and therefore having an each way chance of not going to the hill two or three times a roster! Also, communication is the key to any relationship and I completely agree with the request for more roadshows. Perhaps all these posts explain why this isnt happening...hear no evil, see no evil. Other Airlines have quarterly open forums that managers and base managers hold (at relevant bases) so any issues that may be of concern to crew are heard and hopefully addressed before morale dissolves to nothing more than contempt. I guess our managers our just too understaffed to take the time to hold these? Or, going by a very small majority of posts, they just dont want to know?
Half bank,
Re-itterating Naverick's statement....Rex is NOT a good place to work right now regardless if you stay out of trouble or not. Infact, it seems the more you have to say and the more you make the rules to suit yourself, the more the powers that be are scared of the individual. The verbal abuse I have heard dished out to great working guys and girls has been a disgrace, while trouble makers have been promoted through the ranks. As for your comment about "banging FA's"... well you kind of sound a bit pissed you're not included!
For emphar,
Good on you for your contribution. This is very much appreciated, and Im sure I speak for alot of us on this thread. Hopefully you are earning enough as an engineer to fly for a hobby and therefore enjoy it for the great experience it should be!
thank you for your apology mate, nice one!
Mention 1,
Please tell me you're not alluding that once FO's become Capt's (after approx 4 years) that the dreary pay and conditions become reasonable???? I know for a fact that im not alone when I say that "earning 70+k to be accountable for everyone and everything that takes place on your watch", is an absolute joke. I have family that earn 60K answering phones in a call centre.... which I was completely horrified to learn just recently. In light of finding this out, I am actually a bit ashamed that I have accepted the T&C's at Rex in order to be employed. If flight crew take a stand to boycott RDO's or any other relavent action.. I will be first in line.
Regarding your suggestion re bidding... that would be a way forward. Rex is one of few airlines where seniority and seniority lists mean nothing (with the exception of command slots) I would be happy for the oppotunity to bid for duties and therefore having an each way chance of not going to the hill two or three times a roster! Also, communication is the key to any relationship and I completely agree with the request for more roadshows. Perhaps all these posts explain why this isnt happening...hear no evil, see no evil. Other Airlines have quarterly open forums that managers and base managers hold (at relevant bases) so any issues that may be of concern to crew are heard and hopefully addressed before morale dissolves to nothing more than contempt. I guess our managers our just too understaffed to take the time to hold these? Or, going by a very small majority of posts, they just dont want to know?
Half bank,
Re-itterating Naverick's statement....Rex is NOT a good place to work right now regardless if you stay out of trouble or not. Infact, it seems the more you have to say and the more you make the rules to suit yourself, the more the powers that be are scared of the individual. The verbal abuse I have heard dished out to great working guys and girls has been a disgrace, while trouble makers have been promoted through the ranks. As for your comment about "banging FA's"... well you kind of sound a bit pissed you're not included!
For emphar,
Good on you for your contribution. This is very much appreciated, and Im sure I speak for alot of us on this thread. Hopefully you are earning enough as an engineer to fly for a hobby and therefore enjoy it for the great experience it should be!
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OTS,
Agree with all your points bar number 4.
This is exactly why I started this thread; REX flightcrew simply deserve more CASH!! That's the reason why the owners made the investment. To make more CASH!! Senior managers are now making a lot more CASH, out of the success to which we (the flightcrew) are major contributors. The guys and girls at the sharp end (the flightcrew), deserve more CASH!!
A lot of flightcrew are finding it hard to make ends meet, paying mortgages, rent, fuel, school fees, holidays, grocerys, a slab, a chardy even!! They need more friggin CASH!!
Not all REX crew are able to fill vacancies with the companys that operate shiny jets, despite being very good operators. It's not necessarily that they dont want to. It is simply because not everyone has the means to pay the fat fees that are charged. Those that do have the means won't cough up, out of principle.
Am I making myself friggin clear here. I've attempted to type a bit slower to keep it plain and friggin simple!! More CASH must be paid!!
Mention 1,
All companys in any industry should pay staff promptly, whether it's for an RDO or any other penalty, allowance etc. No brainer!!
You've never been knocked back re; roster requests, days in lieu. Well done. Doesn't help my mortgage repayments, doesn't put another beer in the fridge.
No flightcrew member should experience a 'dreary' year. Trained flightcrew must be paid a professional wage. Most pilots come to airlines such as REX with a fair bit of industry experience. They're hardly apprentices for heavens sake! If REX OPS staff can command circa 60k, is a 15% increase really too much to ask? After all this means that FO's, will still only be on a base salary from about mid 40's to early 50's.
Not having a go M1, just feel very strongly about this.
Emphar,
Excellent post, cheers for the support, however, I don't regret becoming a driver!!
To all REX pilots/FA's, STOP working your RDO's, it might make a difference.
Agree with all your points bar number 4.
This is exactly why I started this thread; REX flightcrew simply deserve more CASH!! That's the reason why the owners made the investment. To make more CASH!! Senior managers are now making a lot more CASH, out of the success to which we (the flightcrew) are major contributors. The guys and girls at the sharp end (the flightcrew), deserve more CASH!!
A lot of flightcrew are finding it hard to make ends meet, paying mortgages, rent, fuel, school fees, holidays, grocerys, a slab, a chardy even!! They need more friggin CASH!!
Not all REX crew are able to fill vacancies with the companys that operate shiny jets, despite being very good operators. It's not necessarily that they dont want to. It is simply because not everyone has the means to pay the fat fees that are charged. Those that do have the means won't cough up, out of principle.
Am I making myself friggin clear here. I've attempted to type a bit slower to keep it plain and friggin simple!! More CASH must be paid!!
Mention 1,
All companys in any industry should pay staff promptly, whether it's for an RDO or any other penalty, allowance etc. No brainer!!
You've never been knocked back re; roster requests, days in lieu. Well done. Doesn't help my mortgage repayments, doesn't put another beer in the fridge.
No flightcrew member should experience a 'dreary' year. Trained flightcrew must be paid a professional wage. Most pilots come to airlines such as REX with a fair bit of industry experience. They're hardly apprentices for heavens sake! If REX OPS staff can command circa 60k, is a 15% increase really too much to ask? After all this means that FO's, will still only be on a base salary from about mid 40's to early 50's.
Not having a go M1, just feel very strongly about this.
Emphar,
Excellent post, cheers for the support, however, I don't regret becoming a driver!!
To all REX pilots/FA's, STOP working your RDO's, it might make a difference.
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5. If you work a casual day and are entitled to cash, the payroll department does not pay you, and it takes months to chase up and get paid.
The ****e they make the FO's do is absolultely fuc*#'d,
I won't go through everything but I found it disgusting that their policy and procd's manual stated that the flight crew had to take UM's to meet their parents as well as trying to turn the A/C around. (if no one else was avail)
Many other things used to piss me off like walking in the rain at sydney to do the trim (around 400m, no rain coat in A/C) because they were to tight to pay a dipatcher, meet and greet pax and then jump into the right seat while the Capt called for the start checklist (really safe!!!!), work around 22 days a month, get rostered 6 on 1 off and then another 6 on, fly those piece of crap A models in MEL fully loaded while half empty B's flew around SYD and ADL, explaning to people why their bags were being off loaded whilst they boarded the A/C, the list goes on.......
The pay was crap $40000 plus DTA for new FO (my mate driving a street sweeper gets more money)
The icing on the cake was that when it came time for profit share, the FO's got the least out of everyone (by about $1500) thanks to a large waisted man in SYD!!!! People in ckeck in, dipatch, FA all got more than the FO's
I won't go through everything but I found it disgusting that their policy and procd's manual stated that the flight crew had to take UM's to meet their parents as well as trying to turn the A/C around. (if no one else was avail)
Many other things used to piss me off like walking in the rain at sydney to do the trim (around 400m, no rain coat in A/C) because they were to tight to pay a dipatcher, meet and greet pax and then jump into the right seat while the Capt called for the start checklist (really safe!!!!), work around 22 days a month, get rostered 6 on 1 off and then another 6 on, fly those piece of crap A models in MEL fully loaded while half empty B's flew around SYD and ADL, explaning to people why their bags were being off loaded whilst they boarded the A/C, the list goes on.......
The pay was crap $40000 plus DTA for new FO (my mate driving a street sweeper gets more money)
The icing on the cake was that when it came time for profit share, the FO's got the least out of everyone (by about $1500) thanks to a large waisted man in SYD!!!! People in ckeck in, dipatch, FA all got more than the FO's
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REX Pay Rise...Is it getting cold in hell ???
There seems to be alot of talk here about a payrise. Sorry to sink your boat guys but that chance fell over with the EBA. Theres very little hope of any type of rise until the next EBA comes up.
A few points to consider though:
1: Get rid of the spineless members of the pilot comittee and get some guys in there that WANT ACTUAL RESULTS, not just to keep their country base open. We need people there with NO AGENDA. that has not happened to date. I dont and will not agree with the "their doing a good job" line we keep getting fed. They are our representatives and honestly they dont represent us well.
2: REX pilots need to get some solidarity NOW, not 2 weeks before the next EBA. We need to start working to set rules NOW. If flights have to be cancelled due to insufficient crews, so be it. Its the only way management will wake up.
*NO WORKING RDOs
*NO DUTY EXTENSIONS
*NO DEPARTURE IF CORRECT BREAKS ARE NOT GIVEN
*NO DEPARTURE UNTIL THE PROMISED CREW MEAL ARRIVES
*NO UMs
*NO HOIST ASSISTANCE
*DONT ACCEPT OVERNIGHT ACCOM THATS NOT ACCEPTABLE
etc etc etc
3: A good point was raised prior to the last EBA. Why not get a professional negotiator to do the work for the pilot group. The REXPC is useless and the AFAP might as well not exist.
Until someone gets up and takes this by the horns we will continue to wallow. Why doesnt the REXPC meet without the management and come up with a sensible group of rules to begin to implement these actions. Ratify them properly, Publish them to ALL crew and make sure those useless bas***ds that keep coming in on their days off STOP.
I doubt our current PC will have the fortitude to even consider this.....we are all still hanging up headsets for the few among us who think themselves worthy of being waited on (Sir Captain D.G.)..PLEASE.
A sensible approach is needed now guys. we need to start now otherwise our illustrious leader will continue with route expansion without increased pilot numbers or conditions.
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THINK BIG PICTURE
thanks again
A few points to consider though:
1: Get rid of the spineless members of the pilot comittee and get some guys in there that WANT ACTUAL RESULTS, not just to keep their country base open. We need people there with NO AGENDA. that has not happened to date. I dont and will not agree with the "their doing a good job" line we keep getting fed. They are our representatives and honestly they dont represent us well.
2: REX pilots need to get some solidarity NOW, not 2 weeks before the next EBA. We need to start working to set rules NOW. If flights have to be cancelled due to insufficient crews, so be it. Its the only way management will wake up.
*NO WORKING RDOs
*NO DUTY EXTENSIONS
*NO DEPARTURE IF CORRECT BREAKS ARE NOT GIVEN
*NO DEPARTURE UNTIL THE PROMISED CREW MEAL ARRIVES
*NO UMs
*NO HOIST ASSISTANCE
*DONT ACCEPT OVERNIGHT ACCOM THATS NOT ACCEPTABLE
etc etc etc
3: A good point was raised prior to the last EBA. Why not get a professional negotiator to do the work for the pilot group. The REXPC is useless and the AFAP might as well not exist.
Until someone gets up and takes this by the horns we will continue to wallow. Why doesnt the REXPC meet without the management and come up with a sensible group of rules to begin to implement these actions. Ratify them properly, Publish them to ALL crew and make sure those useless bas***ds that keep coming in on their days off STOP.
I doubt our current PC will have the fortitude to even consider this.....we are all still hanging up headsets for the few among us who think themselves worthy of being waited on (Sir Captain D.G.)..PLEASE.
A sensible approach is needed now guys. we need to start now otherwise our illustrious leader will continue with route expansion without increased pilot numbers or conditions.
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THINK BIG PICTURE
thanks again
Interesting comment re: crew meals. I was sitting in our plane waiting on the UPS ops freq (feeder pilot for UPS) and heard a UPS pilot saying they weren't ready for pushback till more bottled water got there. Good stuff!
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Yep. Takes 17 minutes door to door. Doesn't sound like much but try it twice a day with hat, tie, nav bag, etc etc. Its one of the most stated reason why people leave believe it or not.
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Have the pilots in Rex actually ever got together and had a meeting (base by base)?...never did in my day.
Thats the only way the PC will ever find out what the pilots want.
Thats the only way the PC will ever find out what the pilots want.
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Any REX pilot's applied for Alliance yet?
In the Aust. today they are advertising for F50 pilots and sugest possibly having F100's based in Adelaide. Sounds like a better prospect then REX with the possability of jet time down the track. Does anyone know how their pay compares?
In the Aust. today they are advertising for F50 pilots and sugest possibly having F100's based in Adelaide. Sounds like a better prospect then REX with the possability of jet time down the track. Does anyone know how their pay compares?
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Rex...Alot like the Titanic
Just think about it..Rex is alot like the titanic, It was built so the lines owners could boast about their boat. The owners seemed to think their boat was indestructable and the owners pushed their boat hard and fast to break as many records as possible.....the owners didnt see the iceberg coming....it could never happen to them or their big shiny boat.
Face facts Lim Kim Hi-Low
is going to sell out....plain and simple. he doesnt care about wages and conditions he just wants his boat as big and shiny as possible when his selling day comes (regardless what going on below decks). The share price is high....much more growth on the share front would require alot of effort and investment on management part...hes going to cash out. like all asian businessmen he has little regard for his people and has no pride in the airline (Not like max and Don)
My advice....If you knew your boat was going to hit an iceberg maybee you should consider untying the liferaft NOW not when it actaully happens.
I know I know...too many analogies but I think their relevent
get out now guys...its not going to get any better...most probably only worst
Face facts Lim Kim Hi-Low
is going to sell out....plain and simple. he doesnt care about wages and conditions he just wants his boat as big and shiny as possible when his selling day comes (regardless what going on below decks). The share price is high....much more growth on the share front would require alot of effort and investment on management part...hes going to cash out. like all asian businessmen he has little regard for his people and has no pride in the airline (Not like max and Don)My advice....If you knew your boat was going to hit an iceberg maybee you should consider untying the liferaft NOW not when it actaully happens.
I know I know...too many analogies but I think their relevent
get out now guys...its not going to get any better...most probably only worst
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Can't agree with you more. There are alot of people willing to sprout of at the mouth, (of which most is true mind you,) and willing to bag those that actually due step up and try to make a difference, but aren't willing to step up to the plate themselves. I'm sure we'll see alot of new faces at the PC in the near future.
Alot of guys are willing to give others all the things that are wrong and when anyone from management actually ever comes asking if there are any problem ( very rarely mind you ) you certainly wont see these guys putting their hands up.
Can't agree with you more. There are alot of people willing to sprout of at the mouth, (of which most is true mind you,) and willing to bag those that actually due step up and try to make a difference, but aren't willing to step up to the plate themselves. I'm sure we'll see alot of new faces at the PC in the near future.
Alot of guys are willing to give others all the things that are wrong and when anyone from management actually ever comes asking if there are any problem ( very rarely mind you ) you certainly wont see these guys putting their hands up.
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About time to get off the fence and add my 2 bobs worth.
Could't agree more with almost everything said so far. With morale deteriorating in the last couple of years to the point that those who never contemplated leaving now cannot see themselves at REX in a few years (myself included), when are the powers-that-be going to pull their head from each others Butt?
Our pay scales are not the only thing that needs to change - FO's babysitting UM's and emptying garbage/slops doesn't happen in a real airline (no wonder the high yield customers at WG and AY fly QF, our image stinks).
The pay scales were accepetable against the cost of living 10 years ago. Now unless your independently wealthy it is impossible to get by, let alone get ahead. The real costs of living for real people in our capital cities have been increasing at twice the magical 3% inflation rate. Not to mention our T&C's being substantially less that those prior to the merger.
We are now doing 20% more flights than we were doing 2 years ago with tech crew numbers increasing less than 4%. For many the low pay was compensated by a good lifestyle - now that is being eaten away too. They can't have it both ways - I've had enough, no more 85+ hr/month rosters for this **** money.
Reality is that we are never going to see any large increase in our base salary - it is just not going to happen (true inflation would be nice). We need to protect our lifestyle or be paid lucrative incentive payments for sacrificing it. Our pathetic salary should not apply to any more than 700 flying hours per year (60 per 4 week roster). Anything beyond this must be overtime at double time rates. Extensions and casual days should be paid at rates at least equal to those that were paid by Hazelton factored for inflation - anybody want to work it out? Even if these added up to an average of 15K per annum for each of the crew members this would equate to less than $5 per ticket - YES they CAN afford it!!!
We can all start by not coming in on RDO's for the insulting $350 casual day payment. Understandably people do it because the salary sucks, but nothing is going to change while a hand full of us keep grovelling on our knees for a $350 casual day payment - we are just letting ourselves down
We are financially 10 years behind our schoolmates because we invested in qualifications and experience that REX is using, let's stop being prostitutes.
Could't agree more with almost everything said so far. With morale deteriorating in the last couple of years to the point that those who never contemplated leaving now cannot see themselves at REX in a few years (myself included), when are the powers-that-be going to pull their head from each others Butt?
Our pay scales are not the only thing that needs to change - FO's babysitting UM's and emptying garbage/slops doesn't happen in a real airline (no wonder the high yield customers at WG and AY fly QF, our image stinks).
The pay scales were accepetable against the cost of living 10 years ago. Now unless your independently wealthy it is impossible to get by, let alone get ahead. The real costs of living for real people in our capital cities have been increasing at twice the magical 3% inflation rate. Not to mention our T&C's being substantially less that those prior to the merger.
We are now doing 20% more flights than we were doing 2 years ago with tech crew numbers increasing less than 4%. For many the low pay was compensated by a good lifestyle - now that is being eaten away too. They can't have it both ways - I've had enough, no more 85+ hr/month rosters for this **** money.
Reality is that we are never going to see any large increase in our base salary - it is just not going to happen (true inflation would be nice). We need to protect our lifestyle or be paid lucrative incentive payments for sacrificing it. Our pathetic salary should not apply to any more than 700 flying hours per year (60 per 4 week roster). Anything beyond this must be overtime at double time rates. Extensions and casual days should be paid at rates at least equal to those that were paid by Hazelton factored for inflation - anybody want to work it out? Even if these added up to an average of 15K per annum for each of the crew members this would equate to less than $5 per ticket - YES they CAN afford it!!!
We can all start by not coming in on RDO's for the insulting $350 casual day payment. Understandably people do it because the salary sucks, but nothing is going to change while a hand full of us keep grovelling on our knees for a $350 casual day payment - we are just letting ourselves down
We are financially 10 years behind our schoolmates because we invested in qualifications and experience that REX is using, let's stop being prostitutes.