perth qantas engineering
new roster
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Spoke to one of the guys on the Perth Roster Committee tonight.
The correct hours are actually 2x 12hr shifts and 2x 11.5hrs shifts=(12 Z days) as opposed to the previous Lighthouse calculated 2x 12hr & 2x 10.9 shifts. A breakdown of calculations! This will be fixed early next week. Lighthouse and QF Management are being very helpful in the process apparently and all working together nicely. They tell me M & DH are very supportive of a new 4on 4off roster.
For anyone out there who thinks Perth shuts down between 0200-0500.Can I please remind you.
0230 QF Cairns arrival.
0245 Garuda
0230-0330 Brunei Transit
0430 QF Jakarta Arrival then first flights of the day starts at
0525.
There is no closing down!Its a really busy place.
The correct hours are actually 2x 12hr shifts and 2x 11.5hrs shifts=(12 Z days) as opposed to the previous Lighthouse calculated 2x 12hr & 2x 10.9 shifts. A breakdown of calculations! This will be fixed early next week. Lighthouse and QF Management are being very helpful in the process apparently and all working together nicely. They tell me M & DH are very supportive of a new 4on 4off roster.
For anyone out there who thinks Perth shuts down between 0200-0500.Can I please remind you.
0230 QF Cairns arrival.
0245 Garuda
0230-0330 Brunei Transit
0430 QF Jakarta Arrival then first flights of the day starts at
0525.
There is no closing down!Its a really busy place.
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The correct hours are actually 2x 12hr shifts and 2x 11.5hrs shifts=(12 Z days) as opposed to the previous Lighthouse calculated 2x 12hr & 2x 10.9 shifts. A breakdown of calculations!
My impression that MH wants the Z days out as they are a bourdon on manpower planning/cost and wants a lower shift loading .
So the answer is a roster with a lower average shift loading no Z days.
A 4 on 5 off 12 hour covers the need but has been rejected before as has the 10.9 hour 4 on 4 off.
The threat that MH is willing to drop the MAS contract approx $6 mil a year to save $1.9 mil does not add up so I would not lower my guard yet
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12 HR
So it has almost come full circle. back to a 12hr roster! How stupid does MH look, the mans a goose! No idea of how a line station operates, especially a 24hr operation....So who is going to do the costings on the increase in manpower to try and make the 8hr roster work?
What about all the guys they employed to make the 8 hr roster work?
I love hearing these contract threats - like it the guys who work and do the foreign operator on the coal face - it their fault, what a load of rubbish - totally mismanaged by so called managers who can't make a decision to save themselves!
It's about time the spot like was put on how much this has cost and the damage it has done to the station at Perth.
Lets face it - the place has ran for the last 12-15 years on the 12hr roster - sure they have been short on manpower but have made it work thru the co-operative nature of all the guys...
How do you win back their confidence now?
Management are very much like SUBARU's
Imprezza- out to impress upper management...
Well looks like MH has shown how little experience and understanding of the
operation of line maintenance engineering he really has....we are all DOOMED
As I said politely - what a Goose!
What about all the guys they employed to make the 8 hr roster work?
I love hearing these contract threats - like it the guys who work and do the foreign operator on the coal face - it their fault, what a load of rubbish - totally mismanaged by so called managers who can't make a decision to save themselves!
It's about time the spot like was put on how much this has cost and the damage it has done to the station at Perth.
Lets face it - the place has ran for the last 12-15 years on the 12hr roster - sure they have been short on manpower but have made it work thru the co-operative nature of all the guys...
How do you win back their confidence now?
Management are very much like SUBARU's
Imprezza- out to impress upper management...
Well looks like MH has shown how little experience and understanding of the
operation of line maintenance engineering he really has....we are all DOOMED
As I said politely - what a Goose!
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I would love to know who taught “M” his business management skills.
I have never heard of the theory, “if you want to make more profit… you start to get rid of customers and contracts”. I thought it was the other way round.
We should all let M get rid of all the customers because I thing upper management would soon get rid of him.
I have never heard of the theory, “if you want to make more profit… you start to get rid of customers and contracts”. I thought it was the other way round.
We should all let M get rid of all the customers because I thing upper management would soon get rid of him.
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D Day for PERTH
Big M/SP/DH and a few of the ALAEA boys are all having a meeting today in Perth to decide our future. Hopefully common sense will prevail and we will all get back to normal but if not Perth ACS will not remain the way it is. Its unsustainable and Plan C or D or whatever there up too now will come into affect. The customers will go and we will wind down. Lets don't go there.
Best of luck boys and no matter what we know you gave it your best shot.
Anyone know how the 8 hr is going at MEL ITB. Worth a new thread?
Best of luck boys and no matter what we know you gave it your best shot.
Anyone know how the 8 hr is going at MEL ITB. Worth a new thread?
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Im pleased to report it appears Perth has had a Win/Win for all.
They tell me M & DH were playing very nicely at the meeting and have endorsed the 12/11.5hr 4on/4off roster offered to them. Its now up to the guys to vote on it shortly.Z days have been preserved!
Congratulations to all those involved from the ALAEA and the reps to the Roster Committee.Some very clever and upstanding people have been involved with this process. To Borat and Mini Me, look out as your world is going to be a lot different.Respect is something you wont know about for a long time.
To M & DH thanks for taking it on the chin and allowing us all to get on with it!. It will be some time but Perth will be a great station once again.
They tell me M & DH were playing very nicely at the meeting and have endorsed the 12/11.5hr 4on/4off roster offered to them. Its now up to the guys to vote on it shortly.Z days have been preserved!
Congratulations to all those involved from the ALAEA and the reps to the Roster Committee.Some very clever and upstanding people have been involved with this process. To Borat and Mini Me, look out as your world is going to be a lot different.Respect is something you wont know about for a long time.
To M & DH thanks for taking it on the chin and allowing us all to get on with it!. It will be some time but Perth will be a great station once again.
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Over 7 months of this crap and this is what it came down to... When times are tough you get to learn a lot about the people you work with. Mini me, borat,more suck, ray of sunshine, bin tan,pekker and even the odd south afro should hang your heads in shame. You will not be forgotten no matter how many times we work/talk/eat with you. You sc@bbed out on the greater majority of the good men(+1 good woman) to put your self interests first...Hope you never need to depend on us. It might get pretty lonely if you do.
A special thanks to all those fly in hero DMM's from ADL,BNE,SYD. Hope that all the sucking will get you somewhere. Just don't try and justify it with your fellow co-workers . Fact is that you are SC@BS. Stay home next time you F%#%ing dogs.
Base servicing....unfortunately a few bad apples gave this section an A+ in M's eyes. Any time you're paddling up sh!t creek, some of these guys will help by pulling out the bung plug. Watch out MEL INT for the fly ins....
A special thanks to all those fly in hero DMM's from ADL,BNE,SYD. Hope that all the sucking will get you somewhere. Just don't try and justify it with your fellow co-workers . Fact is that you are SC@BS. Stay home next time you F%#%ing dogs.
Base servicing....unfortunately a few bad apples gave this section an A+ in M's eyes. Any time you're paddling up sh!t creek, some of these guys will help by pulling out the bung plug. Watch out MEL INT for the fly ins....
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12HR?
So after stuffing the station up for the past many months, Perth is now almost back to where it started from?
Where do these guys get off?
Is it power craziness or some sort of disease?
What an absolute was to time money and resources, not to mention the amount of damage Big M has done to the guys in Perth. The morale and goodwill must be shot to pieces by now.
Its ironic when you see this sort of stuff happen and then management say you can trust us - just goes to show, no matter how well something is operating, efficiently and cost affectively, someone has to try and big note themselves..
To all the SUBARU's that flew over from BNE and SYD to assist in the shafting of the fellow engineers in PER, hope your asslicking pays off....
Where do these guys get off?
Is it power craziness or some sort of disease?
What an absolute was to time money and resources, not to mention the amount of damage Big M has done to the guys in Perth. The morale and goodwill must be shot to pieces by now.
Its ironic when you see this sort of stuff happen and then management say you can trust us - just goes to show, no matter how well something is operating, efficiently and cost affectively, someone has to try and big note themselves..
To all the SUBARU's that flew over from BNE and SYD to assist in the shafting of the fellow engineers in PER, hope your asslicking pays off....
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to DMM's
I will never forget DMM mini-me (some refer to him as slimey). After he started peddling this 10.9 crap 12 months ago, it is now quit clear he loves the idea of sacrificing 70 co-workers to benefit himself. Telling your “so called mates” to go off the 12 hour shift when you had no intention of going off the 12 hour yourself.
More Suck, if management told you to dive headfirst into a fire, we all know you would do it without question. You’re a DMM, you need to learn to think and if something is not right or not fair, you need to stand up.
Borat, we will never forget what you did and what you said. Enjoy the bed you made.
We now know why management gave VR to 3 of the old DMM’s a year ago. They needed some spineless snakes in the position so they could screw the troops. Only one DMM was able to stand up for what was right…and we thank him.
Luckily it looks like MEL have DMM’s of a much higher standard. Good luck MEL.
More Suck, if management told you to dive headfirst into a fire, we all know you would do it without question. You’re a DMM, you need to learn to think and if something is not right or not fair, you need to stand up.
Borat, we will never forget what you did and what you said. Enjoy the bed you made.
We now know why management gave VR to 3 of the old DMM’s a year ago. They needed some spineless snakes in the position so they could screw the troops. Only one DMM was able to stand up for what was right…and we thank him.
Luckily it looks like MEL have DMM’s of a much higher standard. Good luck MEL.
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ACSLAME2 or should I say Nostradamus
The boys in MEL tell me M just retrenched the foremen and replaced them with PUPPETS
It is amazing that ability to do the job, competency, knowledge and experience HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH LEADERSHIP, THESE DAYS YOU JUST HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCREW YOUR WORKMATES.
I wonder whether the MEL boys will treat them as they deserve or just suck up TIME WILL TELL
To some of the guys who missed out I know you and feel for you, being loyal, diligent and responsible carry no weight with the idiots in charge
Man I'm startin to hate the place I've called home for 20 years I hear JHAS is offering mmmmmmmmm food for thought.
By the by how come men off the floor were allowed to apply in the first place surely that's a deliberate slap in the face for the seniors in MEL in fact why would you ever do the job again
The boys in MEL tell me M just retrenched the foremen and replaced them with PUPPETS
It is amazing that ability to do the job, competency, knowledge and experience HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH LEADERSHIP, THESE DAYS YOU JUST HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCREW YOUR WORKMATES.
I wonder whether the MEL boys will treat them as they deserve or just suck up TIME WILL TELL
To some of the guys who missed out I know you and feel for you, being loyal, diligent and responsible carry no weight with the idiots in charge
Man I'm startin to hate the place I've called home for 20 years I hear JHAS is offering mmmmmmmmm food for thought.
By the by how come men off the floor were allowed to apply in the first place surely that's a deliberate slap in the face for the seniors in MEL in fact why would you ever do the job again
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Whats the result?
Ok guys,what was the result of the ballot in Perth?
Was the ballot to be held today in regards to your new roster?
Congratulations to all those guys involved in maintaining the rage and not bending in the face of such a hostile stance by MH and DH.
Just shows that a modern engineering outfit such as Qantas cannot survive without overtime being done by the present staff,because ultimately the management dont have the correct staffing levels needed to carry out the work being asked of it.
Well done Perth LAMEs/AMEs for making management realise that they have to at least give guys some dignity if they are truely seeking a working relationship with their workers.It just can't always be take,take and take with no give in return.
Was the ballot to be held today in regards to your new roster?
Congratulations to all those guys involved in maintaining the rage and not bending in the face of such a hostile stance by MH and DH.
Just shows that a modern engineering outfit such as Qantas cannot survive without overtime being done by the present staff,because ultimately the management dont have the correct staffing levels needed to carry out the work being asked of it.
Well done Perth LAMEs/AMEs for making management realise that they have to at least give guys some dignity if they are truely seeking a working relationship with their workers.It just can't always be take,take and take with no give in return.
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The result is that the 12/11.5 hour shift has been voted in by the members of PER. We thank all involved for the work and dedication put in to this compromise.
I can assure management that they will be paying for this in the many years to come. They will not be forgotten for the way they have treated us. Just watch the delays that will come your way.... You f@cked with something that worked so that you could line your own pockets with bonuses.Shame on you and the sc@bs that feed you.
I can assure management that they will be paying for this in the many years to come. They will not be forgotten for the way they have treated us. Just watch the delays that will come your way.... You f@cked with something that worked so that you could line your own pockets with bonuses.Shame on you and the sc@bs that feed you.
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Fantastic news and reportedly only just got over the line. The persuasive powers of the committee and ALAEA reps appears to have worked. I know I changed my vote to a YES at the deathknock after 1 of the roster guys convinced me. Great outcome and hopefully management will know to discuss with us first next time. HOW MUCH HAS THIS REALLY COST YOU M?
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Good things come to those who wait
Oh My !!!
I'm proud to be associated with men that have integrity.
Please spread this eastwards Sandgropers.
The croweaters, aerial ping pong players and bumsniffers need some backbone.
Oh My !!!
I'm proud to be associated with men that have integrity.
Please spread this eastwards Sandgropers.
The croweaters, aerial ping pong players and bumsniffers need some backbone.
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Hooray
Good win for the troops.
Does this mean PER engineering are going start doing some work again as before this dispute or are they to continue the excuse mongering...
Dons flack jacket and climbs into fox hole
Good win for the troops.
Does this mean PER engineering are going start doing some work again as before this dispute or are they to continue the excuse mongering...
Dons flack jacket and climbs into fox hole
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Do not trust management!
The implementation of the Perth roster has stalled. The agreement and vote amongst all was July. The company has now stated at least 6 more weeks. They said SP hasnt signed the documents but of course he hasn't seen them because JM of QF hasn't produced them!!!
They now say the payoffice can't gear up in time, we know they were ready a month ago and who can forget that they geared up for the 8 hour in a week and kept up with over 500 changes for the weeks after.LIES LIES LIES. Do not trust these people!!!!!!
Im not sure where we are going now but its not looking good!THEY ARE PLAYING MORE GAMES!!!!!
If you are in negotiations with any QF management DO NOT TRUST THEM!!!!!!!
They now say the payoffice can't gear up in time, we know they were ready a month ago and who can forget that they geared up for the 8 hour in a week and kept up with over 500 changes for the weeks after.LIES LIES LIES. Do not trust these people!!!!!!
Im not sure where we are going now but its not looking good!THEY ARE PLAYING MORE GAMES!!!!!
If you are in negotiations with any QF management DO NOT TRUST THEM!!!!!!!