Exodus from Skippers (Merged)
Continental let us not argue whilst Rome burns 
how about we add the TWO casuals together SJ and TA and call them ONE Captain. SJ spends most of his time on C441 anyway. Truce.
Shed Dog, yes...
..actually TWO different people. FS manager and MFO/CP.
What is ...
Would it kill them to pay more and treat their staff better? The increased costs are passed on to the client anyway?
how about we add the TWO casuals together SJ and TA and call them ONE Captain. SJ spends most of his time on C441 anyway. Truce.Shed Dog, yes...
The encouraging point to note here is that the CP/HCC must be a solid, dedicated individual not willing to compromise on the required standard.
What is ...
it highlights the rostering/bean counters inability to assurp authority,
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Rightyo then
Icarus,
Whatever mate. 7 is 7, casual or otherwise. SJ has been spending a lot of time on the Metro recently, for obvious reasons.
Either way, Erin is quite right in that the number of pilots for airframes is not sustainable in the longer term. Skippers aren't the only company encountering this problem, of course...
520.
Whatever mate. 7 is 7, casual or otherwise. SJ has been spending a lot of time on the Metro recently, for obvious reasons.
Either way, Erin is quite right in that the number of pilots for airframes is not sustainable in the longer term. Skippers aren't the only company encountering this problem, of course...
520.
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Whether it's 7 or 5 or 20 the fact of the matter is that they are in the poo with crew - they will never pay more and try to do more with less and less..... would anyone like to work in ops at the moment - I doubt it.
There is only so far that you can cut to the bone and they are starting to see the white hard stuff through the flesh that is left.
Just because you may be in the left seat of a pencil does not make you an expert by any stretch - stay with them a year or so and then let us know whether you think the sun still shines southward.
Seeing that you are so close to the sun's source there, you would surely know that some of the bigger stuff may not be seeing much 'regular' action soon - and where have all the red cadets gone and why??
onya wawa
There is only so far that you can cut to the bone and they are starting to see the white hard stuff through the flesh that is left.
Just because you may be in the left seat of a pencil does not make you an expert by any stretch - stay with them a year or so and then let us know whether you think the sun still shines southward.
Seeing that you are so close to the sun's source there, you would surely know that some of the bigger stuff may not be seeing much 'regular' action soon - and where have all the red cadets gone and why??
onya wawa
Sounds like one of the 5, 6 or 7 pencil captains has an XR interview shortly.
So you might as well call it 4, 5, or 6!!!!
So you might as well call it 4, 5, or 6!!!!
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Hahaha! The plot thickens,
Wa wa,
I never claimed to be anything of an expert, mate. All I have done is try and infer some facts with reference to the subject of the slander above. Didn't think that was such a sin, but obviously on Pprune it is!
As I also said,
So don't tell me that I'm proclaiming that the "sun shines southward". The fact that they are in strife is as much of a fact as that of having 7 Metro Captains, at the moment.
And in reference to your last query, I can't shed any light on that, cause I'm not in the know on those things. I would not have any facts to present to you. It seems to be a thing of the past in aviation to block out all the internal politics and just get on with the job.
520.
Just because you may be in the left seat of a pencil does not make you an expert by any stretch - stay with them a year or so and then let us know whether you think the sun still shines southward.
As I also said,
Erin is quite right in that the number of pilots for airframes is not sustainable in the longer term. Skippers aren't the only company encountering this problem, of course...
And in reference to your last query, I can't shed any light on that, cause I'm not in the know on those things. I would not have any facts to present to you. It seems to be a thing of the past in aviation to block out all the internal politics and just get on with the job.
520.
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520...
I never claimed to be anything of an expert
but then you claim;
It seems to be a thing of the past in aviation to block out all the internal politics and just get on with the job.
i wonder how the guys with interviews at xr went/go?
By the way it's wawa not Wa wa.
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Wawa,
We all have the right to an opinion, just because yours is not the same as 520's, certainly does not invalidate his/hers.
From what i've read you are the one that decided to get personal
Now that really wasn't necessary was it ?.
And to go a step further
Your profile states 737ng based in BN, would that be VB by any chance ?. If that is the case, perhaps some here will scrutinise your right to an opinion, you know, the whole pay endorsement business.
Debating is fine, just don't get personal.
We all have the right to an opinion, just because yours is not the same as 520's, certainly does not invalidate his/hers.
From what i've read you are the one that decided to get personal
Just because you may be in the left seat of a pencil does not make you an expert by any stretch
And to go a step further
pilots generally will generally fcuk other pilots over
Debating is fine, just don't get personal.
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That has been happening for quite some time.
All operators in the Skippers size range are having similar problems, having to cancel flights, off load charters, lots of double flight days and the ineviatable losing contracts to bigger aircraft operators ( why is Alliance/Skywest/OZjet doing so well ? ).
It is a fight for survival for these companies, the company that can obtain, train and retain suitably qualified and experienced pilots will win, the ones who do not will not be in the Yellow Pages in 12-18months, it is the way aviation works.
If you do not believe me, compare the 1999 Yellow Pages Aviation section to the 2007's one.
The concept of above award wages, reasonably solid rosters, not pushing the F&D limits and being treated with a little respect wins hands down.
Not all Pilots aspire to the Airlines.
All operators in the Skippers size range are having similar problems, having to cancel flights, off load charters, lots of double flight days and the ineviatable losing contracts to bigger aircraft operators ( why is Alliance/Skywest/OZjet doing so well ? ).
It is a fight for survival for these companies, the company that can obtain, train and retain suitably qualified and experienced pilots will win, the ones who do not will not be in the Yellow Pages in 12-18months, it is the way aviation works.
If you do not believe me, compare the 1999 Yellow Pages Aviation section to the 2007's one.
The concept of above award wages, reasonably solid rosters, not pushing the F&D limits and being treated with a little respect wins hands down.
Not all Pilots aspire to the Airlines.
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Can anyone confirm? I heard from a little bird today, who heard from a cat, who heard from a rat in the crew room skirting boards that 3 or 4 more pilots have resigned to go the Skywest. Two of those Metro Captains.
Doesn’t that make 5 Capts for 6 planes at best. That means TH EY RF UK ED are left.
This company seems to be a circus among circuses! I can’t believe they pay their Metro and Brasilia Captains less than Skywest pays their F50 First Officers. They should be paying more than F50 Captains just to keep their current pilots.
The mind boggles. Armature hour incorporated!
Doesn’t that make 5 Capts for 6 planes at best. That means TH EY RF UK ED are left.
This company seems to be a circus among circuses! I can’t believe they pay their Metro and Brasilia Captains less than Skywest pays their F50 First Officers. They should be paying more than F50 Captains just to keep their current pilots.
The mind boggles. Armature hour incorporated!
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Its confirmed!
One more metro captain fell off the pay role, now that leaves 3 casual captains and 1 full time!
will be seeing this in the Readersmart this Sunday: For sale: 6 metros twenty threes to go to a good home, be prepard to pay through the roof, you will secure pilots for these planes if you pay them more than what we have, its garenteed!
One more metro captain fell off the pay role, now that leaves 3 casual captains and 1 full time!
will be seeing this in the Readersmart this Sunday: For sale: 6 metros twenty threes to go to a good home, be prepard to pay through the roof, you will secure pilots for these planes if you pay them more than what we have, its garenteed!
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Interesting times. 3 to 4 years ago pilots were selling their grandmothers to score a job with this operator.
I work with guys and girls with the minimum requirements who are no longer interested in even applying. They seem to be happy to stay put and aim for something better.
I work with guys and girls with the minimum requirements who are no longer interested in even applying. They seem to be happy to stay put and aim for something better.