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Yeah it was mr hat, got you guys talking though didn't it...
Lefty, you're a champ - wish there where more blokes like you, thank **** you got the balls to do something - best of luck.
Lefty, you're a champ - wish there where more blokes like you, thank **** you got the balls to do something - best of luck.
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So what is the latest with this mob. Have they filled their positions? Many new cadets or have they been able to get some experienced folks?
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Let's just have a look at that shall we...
Do QF,DJ,J* ring their crews at 1600 local to advise them of the next days flying because the roster is so unstable?
Do QF,DJ,J* crews land at an RPT port, chuck off the bags, check in the pax as there is no agent, load the bags, load the fuel, complete the load sheet then blast off again?
Do QF,DJ,J* crews stand under the wing holding a fuel sample trying not to let the heavy rain get into the cup?
When QF,DJ,J* staff resign do the HR people phone ahead to their next employer and torpedo them?
No, I didn't think so...
Do QF,DJ,J* ring their crews at 1600 local to advise them of the next days flying because the roster is so unstable?
Do QF,DJ,J* crews land at an RPT port, chuck off the bags, check in the pax as there is no agent, load the bags, load the fuel, complete the load sheet then blast off again?
Do QF,DJ,J* crews stand under the wing holding a fuel sample trying not to let the heavy rain get into the cup?
When QF,DJ,J* staff resign do the HR people phone ahead to their next employer and torpedo them?
No, I didn't think so...
Im sure the pilots at this palce would DREAM of a 1600L phone call...more like 1800L-2000L and if your lucky you get a 0600 wheels up!
Of get to the airport for that 0600 departure only to find you need to re-fuel the aircraft, load 300-400kg of frieght on-board and then once the flight plan is complete find out that your either 200kg over weight or you need to stop off en-route to re-fuel (to depart below MTOW) and when you tell the boss this you get your head ripped off or told (mind you infront of the new guys, "nah that plane can take off easily over-weight I have done it many times"...coming from the CP of the company and owner)
As for the torpedo act, this is this companies specialty, amongst other HR/pay roll things.....
Ahh well word got out and even the east coast knows about this outfit... funny...
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Torpedoing people like this is a fg disgrace! If they only looked after their pilots in the first place they wouldn’t have this problem! This GA outfit has a long way to go before they get out of the ****!!!!!!!!
g disgrace! If they only looked after their pilots in the first place they wouldn’t have this problem! This GA outfit has a long way to go before they get out of the ****!!!!!!!!
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Network apparently have another 7 F100's coming and contracts almost signed. However with only 2 LAME's and however little Flight Crew they have its got me buggered with how they are going to support that ops? Also apparently that US airways one came guttered.
Now whats the Go with Alliance buying out Skippers for 25mill? Surely Stan isn't going to let go just yet?
Oh and for the person talking about Skywest, how are they going to manage any more contracts when they can't even service their current contracts? They just took 2 more routes off National Jet and they think they are going to be able to depart 6 F100's at the same time. Newcrest are seriously P!ssed at XR and really want to go back to NJS. I am sure RIO are going to find out the same.
Now whats the Go with Alliance buying out Skippers for 25mill? Surely Stan isn't going to let go just yet?
Oh and for the person talking about Skywest, how are they going to manage any more contracts when they can't even service their current contracts? They just took 2 more routes off National Jet and they think they are going to be able to depart 6 F100's at the same time. Newcrest are seriously P!ssed at XR and really want to go back to NJS. I am sure RIO are going to find out the same.
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So why is it that Skippers missed the boat getting jets? With Skywest, Alliance and Network all now heavily involved with jets on the WA mining circuit and the possibility of QF and Virgin ramping up their WA jet operations, It seems funny that all Skippers can offer is a second hand D8-300 from Europe that probably doesn’t even have an APU to keep the punters cool on a balmy 40 degree summers day! 
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At $13 million an airstrip i.e. to upgrade satisfactorily for jet ops. Short term skips and the dash still have a place in the mining sector, but for how long?
"Barrack" management are in the process of sourcing 2 jets of their own - cutting out the middle man so i'm led to believe.
"Barrack" management are in the process of sourcing 2 jets of their own - cutting out the middle man so i'm led to believe.
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I would leave out claims of being told to fly "overweight" Lawsuit waiting to happen, and if you do - you are the PIC, Bucks stop with you
I.e the "she will be right" attitude..
One might put it as an extremely poor safety CULTURE.... just an observation
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Correct me if I’m wrong? but skippers are currently operating at least 2 dash 300’s without APU’s and are conducting battery starts on a daily basis, yes some starts do get on the hot side, but hot starts are rare. Apparently the company does supply portable battery packs for such a start. My original comment regarding the APU relates to a mate who fly’s with this company (pax) and has commented on the lack of aircon on hot summers day at PH and at site, walking in to a hot cabin with no air until engine start. This may be fine at this time of the year but I find it hard to believe that a big company like this could be that tight and not supply APU power/aircon when operating into the remote sites that Skippers do.
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I hope we aren’t talking about Skippers now, are we?
Correct me if I’m wrong? but skippers are currently operating at least 2 dash 300’s without APU’s and are conducting battery starts on a daily basis, yes some starts do get on the hot side, but hot starts are rare. Apparently the company does supply portable battery packs for such a start. My original comment regarding the APU relates to a mate who fly’s with this company (pax) and has commented on the lack of aircon on hot summers day at PH and at site, walking in to a hot cabin with no air until engine start. This may be fine at this time of the year but I find it hard to believe that a big company like this could be that tight and not supply APU power/aircon when operating into the remote sites that Skippers do.
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I hope we aren’t talking about Skippers now, are we?
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Safety culture, hmmm lets see extinct comes to mind; if it exists its fake. Fortunately there a few of us that still have morals.
Skips Ops manual needs to be revised to reflect true way in which the company operates:-
Chapter 1. Schedule
Cahpter 2. Schedule
Chapter 3. Schedule
Skips Ops manual needs to be revised to reflect true way in which the company operates:-
Chapter 1. Schedule
Cahpter 2. Schedule
Chapter 3. Schedule
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Apologies for the negativity
Sorry to kick a dead horse (you know to try and make it run again) but I'm quite keen to know if anyone can answer my previous question:
I went for an interview a while back but then (after spending considerable money and taking leave that I didn't actually have on the books) I was told that I didn't have the experience or qualifications that they required. I was quite annoyed as they knew full well what my experience and quals were when they invited me for an interview. Of course if I simply failed to impress at the interview I can understand that... but that's not the reason they gave.
Perhaps I'm being too cynical but I can't help but feel that they had some queue-jumper with a fresh CPL and a ticket from Fast Track who was going to cost less up front.
And saying, as many of my mates do, that I'd be better off at another company anyway is cold comfort when one has a family to feed.
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PS Again, sorry for the negativity.
PPS Who reckons they know who I am now?
So what is the latest with this mob. Have they filled their positions? Many new cadets or have they been able to get some experienced folks?
Perhaps I'm being too cynical but I can't help but feel that they had some queue-jumper with a fresh CPL and a ticket from Fast Track who was going to cost less up front.
And saying, as many of my mates do, that I'd be better off at another company anyway is cold comfort when one has a family to feed.
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PS Again, sorry for the negativity.
PPS Who reckons they know who I am now?
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FRQ CB,
Skips operate with a reactive management style, one minute they think they're on top of things, the next....
My guess is they found some cadet - you know the type, bank cheque hanging out of daddys pocket.
Probably a blessing in disguise, Family v ATSB, I know which one I'd choose.
Skips operate with a reactive management style, one minute they think they're on top of things, the next....
My guess is they found some cadet - you know the type, bank cheque hanging out of daddys pocket.
Probably a blessing in disguise, Family v ATSB, I know which one I'd choose.
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V1, im not sure where you are getting your information and I for one and sick and friggin tired of all this crap about cadets at skippers, so to all you knockers and know it all’s, the REAL number of cadets in Skippers over the last 12 months can be counted on 1 hand! Yes that’s right....there are none on the Bras fleet, 2 on the Dash fleet and 1 on the Metro fleet, now lay that against the direct entry intake of the past 12 months on the Dash and Metro fleets alone, 4 Captains (3 dash and 1 metro), and 7 FO’s (across both dash and metro, some of which will be capt’s at some stage) and that’s 3 out 11 of the starters that were cadets if you included the bras direct entry FO's the ratio is even greater. I happen to know pretty well all of the recent cadets and they are good people and good pilots (some even considered excellent), I have spoken to several Captains on both Metro and Dash fleets and these cadets you keep dumping on are all considered experienced and capable pilots. (I think there is one additional cadet in the holding pattern waiting for a cadet opening).
Additionally I have a family, and I am studying at UNI and I am making it work along with many other pilots at skippers.
Lastly, um which barrack sites would these jets you speak of be able to operate into? You said yourself its $13 mill to upgrade a gravel strip, cost to benefit’s says they wouldn’t do both, purchase and upgrade the strips so why would they do either?.
FRQ, I understand that all the negative ill informed advisors may be sending you a dark message but I for one enjoy working for the company, however I do agree with some previous advice from V1 Handing over, and that is to "wipe your own butt and don’t expect anyone else to" (I think that goes for cover you own as well), also join AFAP or the TWU (as advised by Lefty)( I think its good advice to do this no matter where you may work). I think as with all GA this company has its pros and cons but as I say I like it and I have been here over 12 months. With respect to the intake the only advice I can offer is that the company is always looking for good aircrew if you have been through the process I would keep in touch with the CP by email (available on the web site) and keep skippers informed of your current situation and advise your interest.
Additionally I have a family, and I am studying at UNI and I am making it work along with many other pilots at skippers.
Lastly, um which barrack sites would these jets you speak of be able to operate into? You said yourself its $13 mill to upgrade a gravel strip, cost to benefit’s says they wouldn’t do both, purchase and upgrade the strips so why would they do either?.
FRQ, I understand that all the negative ill informed advisors may be sending you a dark message but I for one enjoy working for the company, however I do agree with some previous advice from V1 Handing over, and that is to "wipe your own butt and don’t expect anyone else to" (I think that goes for cover you own as well), also join AFAP or the TWU (as advised by Lefty)( I think its good advice to do this no matter where you may work). I think as with all GA this company has its pros and cons but as I say I like it and I have been here over 12 months. With respect to the intake the only advice I can offer is that the company is always looking for good aircrew if you have been through the process I would keep in touch with the CP by email (available on the web site) and keep skippers informed of your current situation and advise your interest.
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Skycapt or should i say more appropriately groundf/o,
They're the facts, like it or lump it.
Re the great debate "cadets" yeah there're some great guys but that doesn't mean they're aviators; instant aviator, just add water a sprinkle of salt and a Braz, dash or meatro endo, get your hand off it, how far up your preverbial is your head?
On a lighter note, I'm glad to see you've jumped on the CP's band wagon, the company needs more people like yourself in that respect, i hear RF likes a big mouth too. Watch your back, you can bet your last dollar he won't do the same for you.
12 Months hey, geees are you checked to line yet?
P.S. I thoroughly enjoyed my time there too, gideeup
They're the facts, like it or lump it.
Re the great debate "cadets" yeah there're some great guys but that doesn't mean they're aviators; instant aviator, just add water a sprinkle of salt and a Braz, dash or meatro endo, get your hand off it, how far up your preverbial is your head?
On a lighter note, I'm glad to see you've jumped on the CP's band wagon, the company needs more people like yourself in that respect, i hear RF likes a big mouth too. Watch your back, you can bet your last dollar he won't do the same for you.
12 Months hey, geees are you checked to line yet?
P.S. I thoroughly enjoyed my time there too, gideeup
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V1, I am on nobody’s bandwagon and your information is again less than accurate, I am not grounded and have never been so, last week I flew in excess of 20 hours and flew 4 of 5 days, but if you could find your way clear of the bitter haze you live in you might actually be able to get some fact base information you might have a clue.
I notice you never manage to backup any of the info you had been posting when quizzed? So here is another chance to qualify your comments and offer some real information on Barack and these Jets and explain how an ROI (that’s return on investment) would work for the purchase of Jets and then the upgrade of gravel strips to justify a commitment to do both? Here is a little help the saving someone would need to make to have a 5 year or less ROI which is the most corp finance teams would usually approve is in excess of 5 mill a year that’s $96,150 a week after all costs is there that kind of saving from running your own jets? Try and get some kind of substance behind your rumours and stop diverting the attention from your lack of knowledge, don’t worry I don’t expect you to have any answers cause hey that just not what you do is it?
You seem to think you know me so you will know I have been stuffed around somewhat, am I bitter... nope, I truly love what I do, and truth is that I have not now nor never liked the path or what has happened to me since I joined but I accept it which is something you do when you are paid to work for someone, you suck it up and do what your paid for or you go some place else!, I chose to stay and accept it ( sure I might bitch about it to my friends from time to time but I don’t trash the company publicly for doing what they need or choose to do, [FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']its their prerogative ), I thank god I finally get to do something I truly enjoy, and you, just continue to take it all for granted and continue to think the world owes you. [/font]
If you really want to know what it feels like to be shagged go work 12 and 14 hours days 7 days a week in a thankless industry doing a job you don’t like but you have to do to earn money, like 6 in 10 west Australians who don’t get to do what they love for a job.
Lastly if you think you can run a company so much better for the sake of everyone GO AND DO IT!
I notice you never manage to backup any of the info you had been posting when quizzed? So here is another chance to qualify your comments and offer some real information on Barack and these Jets and explain how an ROI (that’s return on investment) would work for the purchase of Jets and then the upgrade of gravel strips to justify a commitment to do both? Here is a little help the saving someone would need to make to have a 5 year or less ROI which is the most corp finance teams would usually approve is in excess of 5 mill a year that’s $96,150 a week after all costs is there that kind of saving from running your own jets? Try and get some kind of substance behind your rumours and stop diverting the attention from your lack of knowledge, don’t worry I don’t expect you to have any answers cause hey that just not what you do is it?
You seem to think you know me so you will know I have been stuffed around somewhat, am I bitter... nope, I truly love what I do, and truth is that I have not now nor never liked the path or what has happened to me since I joined but I accept it which is something you do when you are paid to work for someone, you suck it up and do what your paid for or you go some place else!, I chose to stay and accept it ( sure I might bitch about it to my friends from time to time but I don’t trash the company publicly for doing what they need or choose to do, [FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']its their prerogative ), I thank god I finally get to do something I truly enjoy, and you, just continue to take it all for granted and continue to think the world owes you. [/font]
If you really want to know what it feels like to be shagged go work 12 and 14 hours days 7 days a week in a thankless industry doing a job you don’t like but you have to do to earn money, like 6 in 10 west Australians who don’t get to do what they love for a job.
Lastly if you think you can run a company so much better for the sake of everyone GO AND DO IT!
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V1 Handing Over,
I call your bluff,,,, whats my name then, you can use initials if you like.
Go on holidays for a week and look what I missed.
SkyCapt, you appear not to understand what is being spoken of here, as far as your claims:
, Really ?, how about they try getting a job elsewhere, you know in a company where you can not pay for your job.
I call your bluff,,,, whats my name then, you can use initials if you like.
Go on holidays for a week and look what I missed.
SkyCapt, you appear not to understand what is being spoken of here, as far as your claims:
cadets you keep dumping on are all considered experienced and capable pilots