Exodus from Skippers (Merged)
Has anybody got an answer to the question asked by barondriver? His question was particular pertinent. Here is his post again:
Where r these supposed pay increases on the new awa. the one i received has the dodgy 90days notice of leave and the renumeration packages as listed below inclusive of 9% super.
Conquest capt 53350 fo n/a
metro 23 capt 59915 fo 40890
braz capt 63600 fo 43225
dash 8-100/200 capt 72570 fo 48595
dash 8-300 capt 75759 fo 50527
i heard it was meant to be 75k for a metro capt and 95k for a braz capt
Conquest capt 53350 fo n/a
metro 23 capt 59915 fo 40890
braz capt 63600 fo 43225
dash 8-100/200 capt 72570 fo 48595
dash 8-300 capt 75759 fo 50527
i heard it was meant to be 75k for a metro capt and 95k for a braz capt
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Welcome to Skippers guys, you are potential employees who haven't yet entered the front door, what a laugh. 
and the company thinks it can be trusted from day 1, it seems not.
Well the AWA is as you see it, BUT you get a letter of appointment and with that letter is detailed the bonus portion. If you are joining on the assumption of getting $75 or $95k for whichever fleet you are joining, then make sure that if entering as a captain that the letter of appointment states that you will get $87155.90 + super (aka $95K).
Just make sure if you applied relating to the ad then you should receive what was advertised ie FROM $75/$95...... as a minimum remuneration or would that be false advertising otherwise?
The only worry that the current guys have is whether the BONUS portion could be changed, and if so people would go back to the AWA wages of what you have posted here in with an unfair 3 month notice for leaving SA.
Laser
and the company thinks it can be trusted from day 1, it seems not.Well the AWA is as you see it, BUT you get a letter of appointment and with that letter is detailed the bonus portion. If you are joining on the assumption of getting $75 or $95k for whichever fleet you are joining, then make sure that if entering as a captain that the letter of appointment states that you will get $87155.90 + super (aka $95K).
Just make sure if you applied relating to the ad then you should receive what was advertised ie FROM $75/$95...... as a minimum remuneration or would that be false advertising otherwise?
The only worry that the current guys have is whether the BONUS portion could be changed, and if so people would go back to the AWA wages of what you have posted here in with an unfair 3 month notice for leaving SA.
Laser
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Shed Dog Tosser,
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR POSTING THE ABOVE LETTERS!!!!
They pretty much say it all and show some of the benefits of union membership.
Ones own knowledge and reading of such a document cannot match those of experienced union industrial officers who know the ins and outs of exactly what to look for etc.
I am looking for a new job having just moved back to Australia and Perth permanently and have been reading this thread for over 6 mo and havent seen 1 positive comment on here about this company.
From the past 6 mo worth of comments including those from many pilots working there it is easy to see why they are loosing people hand over fist and why some smart pilots are refusing to sign the present AWA.
Since they insist new pilots sign it as is, with no scope for changing any of the conditions ( so I understand) I for one will not be able to apply as I simply could not abide by the 3 mo notice condition for a start. That is an OUTRAGE!!!
Even CEOs at large corporations all over the world are usually required to only give a months notice, let alone ordinary staff.
In the USA for eg,almost ALL WORKERS in any industry or company are employed "at will" which means absolutely no notice is required by either employer or employee to say Adios, Im outta here.
I don,t think that is a good thing ,but 2-4weeks notice by employee or the company paying you in leiu of any notice if you are fired or laid off is fair enough.
The question now is will the companies existing pilots and new prospective pilots speak up and propose new conditions for a fair and beneficial AWA or get the TWU or AFAP in to negotiate a CA or EBA????
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR POSTING THE ABOVE LETTERS!!!!
They pretty much say it all and show some of the benefits of union membership.
Ones own knowledge and reading of such a document cannot match those of experienced union industrial officers who know the ins and outs of exactly what to look for etc.
I am looking for a new job having just moved back to Australia and Perth permanently and have been reading this thread for over 6 mo and havent seen 1 positive comment on here about this company.
From the past 6 mo worth of comments including those from many pilots working there it is easy to see why they are loosing people hand over fist and why some smart pilots are refusing to sign the present AWA.
Since they insist new pilots sign it as is, with no scope for changing any of the conditions ( so I understand) I for one will not be able to apply as I simply could not abide by the 3 mo notice condition for a start. That is an OUTRAGE!!!
Even CEOs at large corporations all over the world are usually required to only give a months notice, let alone ordinary staff.
In the USA for eg,almost ALL WORKERS in any industry or company are employed "at will" which means absolutely no notice is required by either employer or employee to say Adios, Im outta here.
I don,t think that is a good thing ,but 2-4weeks notice by employee or the company paying you in leiu of any notice if you are fired or laid off is fair enough.
The question now is will the companies existing pilots and new prospective pilots speak up and propose new conditions for a fair and beneficial AWA or get the TWU or AFAP in to negotiate a CA or EBA????
Appreciate efforts, reward Captains? Forget the FO's, FA's,rampies,it has never happened since Skippy's inception and won't change now. Plenty of money in the bag but better spent on pubs and horses.
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and prostitutes! It doesn’t take much for the word to get around.
The Captains are hardly rewarded for their efforts if they are payed what is posted. The AFAP and TWU have pretty much summed it up for everybody concerned. If you don’t believe them then sign up and don’t come crying later on!
This company makes Rex look like Disney Land. Bunch of white collar criminals. Time is running out.
The Captains are hardly rewarded for their efforts if they are payed what is posted. The AFAP and TWU have pretty much summed it up for everybody concerned. If you don’t believe them then sign up and don’t come crying later on!
This company makes Rex look like Disney Land. Bunch of white collar criminals. Time is running out.
FP_ACE, so is this the route you plan on taking? or are you just floating it.
I guess what I am getting at, is I doubt your mates would have the balls to admit that they are not happy with their decision after spending mum and dad's 35k on an endorsement.
I guess what I am getting at, is I doubt your mates would have the balls to admit that they are not happy with their decision after spending mum and dad's 35k on an endorsement.
Last edited by havick; 14th Oct 2007 at 09:08.
Cadets are great until the captains go to Skywest. 
Does anyone have any info if Skippers is presently hiring and into what aircraft/seat?????
What is currently happening at Skippers re new hires and AWAs????
Is everyone forced to sign the present one that the AFAP and TWU advised not to or can you negotiate your own individually???
I was going to apply to see if I could get a DEC position on the Metro or FO on something bigger.
Any responses from actual Skippers pilots would be appreciated or people who ACTUALLY KNOW accurate info, not rumours or speculation please.
Thanks everyone
What is currently happening at Skippers re new hires and AWAs????
Is everyone forced to sign the present one that the AFAP and TWU advised not to or can you negotiate your own individually???
I was going to apply to see if I could get a DEC position on the Metro or FO on something bigger.
Any responses from actual Skippers pilots would be appreciated or people who ACTUALLY KNOW accurate info, not rumours or speculation please.
Thanks everyone
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And here I was expecting to see this thread re-ignited with some news about the Skippers juggernaut and it's only a grammatical statement.
Anyone out there have any news on movements into or out the aforementioned juggernaut??
Anyone out there have any news on movements into or out the aforementioned juggernaut??
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And here I was expecting to see this thread re-ignited with some news about the Skippers juggernaut and it's only a comment about a grammatical statement.