Virgin Blue Pilot Recruitment Freeze
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If Virgin Blue decide to go with a bonding system that is fair, i think the whole aviation industry in Australia may give them a bit more respect for doing this.
It would be nice to see a domino effect follow onto Jet*.
Then again, we could be just kidding ourselves.
It would be nice to see a domino effect follow onto Jet*.
Then again, we could be just kidding ourselves.
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There were suggestions made early this year that due to company demographics, vb were (unofficial of course) looking for drivers to be:
< 30 years old
< 3000 hours
> 500 multi crew
Certainly hope I'm wrong and the situation has changed.
PS - No paying up front for endo
< 30 years old
< 3000 hours
> 500 multi crew
Certainly hope I'm wrong and the situation has changed.
PS - No paying up front for endo
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I seriously doubt that VB will go down the path of bonding.
They are a LCC... Simple, they WILL NOT pay for your endo.
If they however decided to go down this path, don't you think the current 700 drivers who paid for their endo's get a little shirty... oh, ONLY JUST A BIT
With the dramas with EBA etc International etc Regional etc bidding system etc blah blah blah... if they bonded guys.... man, the sh!t would really hit the fan. I'd like my $30k back thanks, Brett
They are a LCC... Simple, they WILL NOT pay for your endo.
If they however decided to go down this path, don't you think the current 700 drivers who paid for their endo's get a little shirty... oh, ONLY JUST A BIT
With the dramas with EBA etc International etc Regional etc bidding system etc blah blah blah... if they bonded guys.... man, the sh!t would really hit the fan. I'd like my $30k back thanks, Brett
I think the bonding idea is a great one, and I'm one of the throng that has forked out for the endo earlier in the year.
If we all clung to the I had to do it so you should too mentality, nothing would ever improve for anyone.
As far as the bonding issue goes, it has been mentioned that those involved would be on a slightly reduced pay scale for the period of said bond. Only what i have heard.
None of these appear to be set in stone, I was on the wrong side of two of them
If we all clung to the I had to do it so you should too mentality, nothing would ever improve for anyone.
As far as the bonding issue goes, it has been mentioned that those involved would be on a slightly reduced pay scale for the period of said bond. Only what i have heard.
There were suggestions made early this year that due to company demographics, vb were (unofficial of course) looking for drivers to be:
< 30 years old
< 3000 hours
> 500 multi crew
< 30 years old
< 3000 hours
> 500 multi crew
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If Virgin Blue decide to go with a bonding system that is fair,.............
Same goes for JetStar.
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The bonding idea may not be so unbelievable if Embraer have agreed to fund pilot training in order to get the type introduced. In which case the bonding becomes a profit for VB.
Gidday Srucegoose.
Heard today from a DJ FO that the Jungle jet is definitely a goer. 10 new shiny ones! According to my source, F/O's will be recruited off the streets and Captains sourced from within DJ.
Wages for Captains will be set approximately between 737 F/O and 737 Capts. I'm assuming F/O wages will be approx 60-65% of that.
Care to clarify?
Heard today from a DJ FO that the Jungle jet is definitely a goer. 10 new shiny ones! According to my source, F/O's will be recruited off the streets and Captains sourced from within DJ.
Wages for Captains will be set approximately between 737 F/O and 737 Capts. I'm assuming F/O wages will be approx 60-65% of that.
Care to clarify?
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Krusty, none of us have any idea what the wages will be set at. The EBA shambles rolls on from one month to the next with nothing of any substance being released. There will be plenty of recruiting onto both the 737 and 170/190. The minimum requirement for the 737 is going up to over 5000 hours due to the last couple of intakes performing so badly. Haven't heard of a age limit though. If you get onto the 737, expect to sit in the right seat for at least 7 years. We already have too many "aces" thinking they should be in the left seat.
Good luck with it mate.
Good luck with it mate.
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Well I seriosly doubt that enough captains to crew 10 RJ's will take a pay cut to do so. It will depend on the bases I guess and whether a particular base is worth a pay cut for a given individual. My guess is that won't happen. I have heard on the 'vine' that its 10 purchased and 10 optioned ERJ190's. As for the pay...as coitus said God only knows what the EBA has in it this week. Seems the language previously revealed as agreed upon has more in common with a chameleon than an EBA.
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Krusty, that's the closest to what I have also heard. I would expect any current 737 Cpt's to be offered the same salary for initial start up EMB Cpt slots otherwise why would you do it ????
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Hey Coitus,
Just with reference to your comment of the 737 mins being changed to 5000 hours. It seems a little strange to me that to solve the alleged lack of performance issues a company would just introduce an arbitrary requirement for 5000 hours.
I would think that a better indicator of a pilot's potential to perform to a set standard would stem form the quality of one's experience rather than the quantity. For example would a pilot with 3000 hours consisting of instructional, charter, multi-crew, international and jet experience necessarily be less likely to perform compared to, lets say, a pilot with 5000 hours consisting of all instructional experience, no multi-crew, no turbine, only the minimum required multi.?
Issues relating to the underperformance of a candidate can also be related to personal difficulties such as marriage issues, financial issues...... and the list can go on and on. I would think that the measurement of a person's likelyhood to achieve a required standard can be better achieved through a more rigorous process of recruitment that may include a sim ride etc.....
Just a thought!
Safe flying!
Ratter
Just with reference to your comment of the 737 mins being changed to 5000 hours. It seems a little strange to me that to solve the alleged lack of performance issues a company would just introduce an arbitrary requirement for 5000 hours.
I would think that a better indicator of a pilot's potential to perform to a set standard would stem form the quality of one's experience rather than the quantity. For example would a pilot with 3000 hours consisting of instructional, charter, multi-crew, international and jet experience necessarily be less likely to perform compared to, lets say, a pilot with 5000 hours consisting of all instructional experience, no multi-crew, no turbine, only the minimum required multi.?
Issues relating to the underperformance of a candidate can also be related to personal difficulties such as marriage issues, financial issues...... and the list can go on and on. I would think that the measurement of a person's likelyhood to achieve a required standard can be better achieved through a more rigorous process of recruitment that may include a sim ride etc.....
Just a thought!
Safe flying!
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RATTER,
A sim ride is not an answer to everything.
Have you never had a bad day?
If you have been around to accumulate 5000 Hrs in GA and are still around to talk about it you must be doing something right, weather it's Instructing, night freight or charter.
Just my 2 cents worth.
viirgin
A sim ride is not an answer to everything.
Have you never had a bad day?
If you have been around to accumulate 5000 Hrs in GA and are still around to talk about it you must be doing something right, weather it's Instructing, night freight or charter.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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Ratter I agree. I personally think the 5000 hour target is garbage. I have seen plenty of average 5000 hr guys and some very good 500 hour specials. It usually comes down to the quality of training and just a modicum of common sense and natural ability. Which direction they finally take is anyone's guess.
Let me see as I look into my crystal ball what the future holds. Wait, I can seeeee something. It looks liiiiiike… It looks like DJ and JQ will be putting on about 32 pilots in the New Year. Why 32? Because that is about how many they are going to loose in total as some of their pilots chase higher wages and conditions. Of course I could be totally wrong. It may be 32 EK pilots wanting to come home because they are sick of the sandpit. 
