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Well if the passenger has made a nuisance of himself, who needs stairs? Just open the door (disarmed of course) give a firm push to the small of his back and remember to say "thank you for flying with Jetstar" 
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This event occurred early in the flight. All comments on this thread are relevant, but as a captain, I would be really p1ssed off to be told after landing that the report the CM had given me had been watered down to suit her personal needs. That is, she had to get back to BNE on time to collect her child from the minder. Other FA were told not to go to the cockpit or discuss the matter with the captain. If this information is correct, the level of professionalism of the individual has to be questioned. OR is this how things work in a LCC?
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I'd say that the LCC variable is a furphy. People in all walks of life are able to put self interest first, it's not the exlusive province of the LCC.
I'd say that the LCC variable is a furphy. People in all walks of life are able to put self interest first, it's not the exlusive province of the LCC.
If they are doing essentially the same work as they were doing previously, why should they be paid any differently? The financial difference has always been considered acceptable due to the cost of living in Cairns, and the opportunity for a faster promotion. The only thing that has changed is the colour of the airframe, the brand of uniform, and the flight number.
They're AIPA members, not a 'threat'.
They're AIPA members, not a 'threat'.
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Hi Keg,
"close the base and flick the airframes as 'excess'" is crap from management of the first order. The crews come back to mainline creating a huge excess in Sydney, we require lots of paxing to /fro CNS [remember the 4 week basings?]
and they REDUCE airframes while the 380 is delayed again??!!
The worm has turned, it's just that some people don't realise it yet.
"close the base and flick the airframes as 'excess'" is crap from management of the first order. The crews come back to mainline creating a huge excess in Sydney, we require lots of paxing to /fro CNS [remember the 4 week basings?]
and they REDUCE airframes while the 380 is delayed again??!!
The worm has turned, it's just that some people don't realise it yet.
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no pre flight inspection, no flight.
and Aussie, It was my observation before I quit Jetstar that the level of professionalism amongst the staff was heading WAY South as a reaction to the way that the new management were treating people. Of the Impulse staff, those who could leave did so, and those who have not left yet want to. The newer staff who move in to replace the older ones are mostly very green, and where possible have no prior airline or even aviation experience.
Jetstar have no plans to retain quality staff - just use them and loose them. Now, why was it that this happened on jetstar and not some other airline ?????
why was it that this happened on jetstar and not some other airline ?????
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No stairs, no pre flight inspection, no flight.
Danny,
Jetstar got rid of preflight inspections as part of being low cost - supposedly the captain does them now during the fast turnarounds..........
If the AO operation is shut down the airframes won't be in excess.
QF needs all the capacity it can get, particularly with the Dugong being delayed further. Apparently 1 of the classics is running out of hours (due for a D check), the 767 returns to HK from Sept., and there's talk also of the 767 returning to the US west coast.
So any spare airframes will be most welcome!
QF needs all the capacity it can get, particularly with the Dugong being delayed further. Apparently 1 of the classics is running out of hours (due for a D check), the 767 returns to HK from Sept., and there's talk also of the 767 returning to the US west coast.
So any spare airframes will be most welcome!
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I agree about the excess Tank. You may be right about the 'crap from management' point too. However, I don't agree that basings may be the outcome. QF may just decide that they won't fly those routes any more because they can't turn a dollar on them. We end up going back to the days where we just have a CNS-NRT and CNS-DRW-SIN services. I agree that the airframes are required now more than ever- the rumour I heard was before we knew that the A380 was going to be delayed- and so we may not be in such as dire straits as the rumour implies.
C'mon LTBC, the Cairns operation was set up with a lower cost base to meet the different requirements of the AO flying. These 'different requirements' (all economy, etc) no longer exist. They're QF pilots (albeit seconded) in QF uniforms in QF coloured aircraft. Why shouldn't they expect QF pay and conditions?
The rest is argy-bargy between the association and QF. I'm just providing one of the multitude of different outcomes that can arise.
C'mon LTBC, the Cairns operation was set up with a lower cost base to meet the different requirements of the AO flying. These 'different requirements' (all economy, etc) no longer exist. They're QF pilots (albeit seconded) in QF uniforms in QF coloured aircraft. Why shouldn't they expect QF pay and conditions?
The rest is argy-bargy between the association and QF. I'm just providing one of the multitude of different outcomes that can arise.
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Bloggs, you beat me to it. Then again, if said situation had happend and the guys had used the truck to get to the ground to pre-flight, I'm sure some managment nong would then rake them over the coals for it being an OHS risk... which, I guess it is, but in exceptional circumstances...
Besides, I'm sure there's a ladder somewhere at Tindal... if it's good enough for engos it's good enough for a pilot!!!
Besides, I'm sure there's a ladder somewhere at Tindal... if it's good enough for engos it's good enough for a pilot!!!
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What a pathetic topic. Poor old Eagle...when you get some experience and perhaps a job as a real airline captain you may understand that not everything is set in stone the way you seem to think it should be.
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Originally Posted by Danny Crane
Jetstar have no plans to retain quality staff - just use them and loose them.
The 'requirements' are the safe and efficient operation of a Boeing 767 to certain destinations. Some of the destinations may change, but suggesting flying an all-economy aircraft somehow affects the way you operate is a bit of a stretch isn't it? The only practical difference is that they now have to wear a hat and tie - the operation itself is unchanged. You'll have a very hard time convincing a court otherwise.
This paves the way of course for lower-cost AO to eventually contractually take over the 767. Now there's a thought...
This paves the way of course for lower-cost AO to eventually contractually take over the 767. Now there's a thought...
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Ditzy me old mate,
I have seen you posting here for a long time now. Once you were a loyal and enthusiastic Impulse FA, and for a while I saw in your posts that you were trying to hang on to that loyalty after the rot under the new management started, and now I can see that they got to you as much as they got to me. It's sad to see what they did to a place that we all liked working at.
A small and friendly Australian company taken over by nasty mob of empire builders with a business ethos of dispising their passengers as much as they do their staff It's just un-Australian..........
That's history now, and the best thing that I did was leave - I hope you have gone on to greener pastures - I know I did --> retirement !!
I have seen you posting here for a long time now. Once you were a loyal and enthusiastic Impulse FA, and for a while I saw in your posts that you were trying to hang on to that loyalty after the rot under the new management started, and now I can see that they got to you as much as they got to me. It's sad to see what they did to a place that we all liked working at.
A small and friendly Australian company taken over by nasty mob of empire builders with a business ethos of dispising their passengers as much as they do their staff
It's just un-Australian..........That's history now, and the best thing that I did was leave - I hope you have gone on to greener pastures - I know I did --> retirement !!
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Fokker, I think you may be very mistaken.
Eagleman is known to me is far more senior and experienced than you have given credit. Perhaps he should come straight out and ask the real question without beating around the bush.
JQ do not have a proper CRM program. Their management is also becoming more "ryanair like" in managing crew. Only last week a young FA was apparently stood down for refusing "act" as CM. The girl had claimed she was not confident enough to accept the added responsibility. From my perspective, her behaviour was very responsible, JQ management saw if differently!
ah the new world
Eagleman is known to me is far more senior and experienced than you have given credit. Perhaps he should come straight out and ask the real question without beating around the bush.
JQ do not have a proper CRM program. Their management is also becoming more "ryanair like" in managing crew. Only last week a young FA was apparently stood down for refusing "act" as CM. The girl had claimed she was not confident enough to accept the added responsibility. From my perspective, her behaviour was very responsible, JQ management saw if differently!
ah the new world
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lotsa scuttlebutt
Quite a lot of negativity but some good info mixed with some dodgey stuff out there.
Having been offered a job as a TRI with Jetstar and coming from EK, I can tell you that the decision to go depends entirely on your own circumstances. Contrary to popular opinion EK pays well (in excess of 20 000AUD per month in my case tax free).
Apart from the usual vagaries of ANY management they are not that bad to work for really (I have 7 years up my sleeve).
Jetstar just provides an opportunity to get home and if you are happy to take the paycut, pay tax and the cost of living in Australia, represents a viable option.
The contract employs us a first officers and specifically talks about return to FO at the end of the three years. However the managment/TRI clause will most certainly be used to effect. And as you guys who seem to know IR stuff - I didnt sign the Jetstar EBA and there are other options.
The numbers who did interviews and offered jobs are more like a total of 30 from EK , offers to maybe 10. Not enough of a drain on EK to make a dent. But I do agree that if EK were to offer remote bases etc they could save themselves around 100 000AUD per pilot a year as they would not have to provide a large component of the EXpat package such as housing, education medical etc etc. But trying to sell that to them generally wont work as the managers who could approve it wont as they cant do the same thing, 'if I have to be in the pit , so do you!' applies.
Cheers all!
Having been offered a job as a TRI with Jetstar and coming from EK, I can tell you that the decision to go depends entirely on your own circumstances. Contrary to popular opinion EK pays well (in excess of 20 000AUD per month in my case tax free).
Apart from the usual vagaries of ANY management they are not that bad to work for really (I have 7 years up my sleeve).
Jetstar just provides an opportunity to get home and if you are happy to take the paycut, pay tax and the cost of living in Australia, represents a viable option.
The contract employs us a first officers and specifically talks about return to FO at the end of the three years. However the managment/TRI clause will most certainly be used to effect. And as you guys who seem to know IR stuff - I didnt sign the Jetstar EBA and there are other options.
The numbers who did interviews and offered jobs are more like a total of 30 from EK , offers to maybe 10. Not enough of a drain on EK to make a dent. But I do agree that if EK were to offer remote bases etc they could save themselves around 100 000AUD per pilot a year as they would not have to provide a large component of the EXpat package such as housing, education medical etc etc. But trying to sell that to them generally wont work as the managers who could approve it wont as they cant do the same thing, 'if I have to be in the pit , so do you!' applies.
Cheers all!