Jetstar/AO threads Merged
Originally Posted by Woomera
It is long past time you lot calmed down and realised that the world does not owe you a living and no one has any 'right' to anything...be it a job flying jets, a comfortable retirement or CX A scale wages and low tax.
Woomera
Woomera
Don't cut down people with low tax, CX A Scalers, QF, Emirates boys, people with a comfortable retirement or people who fly jets, purely because you 'perceive' that they have something you don't. In the olden days if we wanted something we strived to get it! ... Not cut those "tall poppys" with 'it' down to our own level!
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I have been involved with pprune, under one guise or another, since pretty much the beginning and I don't think I have ever seen a thread locked or a poster banned for what I perceived as biassed or unreasonable reasons.
The QF pilots seem to have forgotten how they came to be the best paid pilots in Australia...Industrial Bloodshed.
The QF pilots of my fathers generation, all LONG retired, drew the line in the sand and backed it up with resolve.
Now QF pilots expect everyone else to draw the line in the sand to protect their conditions.
It just doesn't work that way...as the CX pilots found when they tried to institute a recruitment ban to force CX to reinstate the 49ers while at the same time accepting promotions into the vacancies that resulted from those sackings.
So QF pilots have at it....have you the balls of your forefathers?
The QF pilots seem to have forgotten how they came to be the best paid pilots in Australia...Industrial Bloodshed.
The QF pilots of my fathers generation, all LONG retired, drew the line in the sand and backed it up with resolve.
Now QF pilots expect everyone else to draw the line in the sand to protect their conditions.
It just doesn't work that way...as the CX pilots found when they tried to institute a recruitment ban to force CX to reinstate the 49ers while at the same time accepting promotions into the vacancies that resulted from those sackings.
So QF pilots have at it....have you the balls of your forefathers?
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If we have the cojones or not may well soon be tested given the imminent rejection of the shorthaul EBA.
Regardless, the key difference between here and 1966 is that workchoices has ensured that the company can do what it wants when it wants.
I have just registered with p!rep.0rg Prior to doing so I emailed the mods to see if they were jetstar biased also.
If we have the cojones or not may well soon be tested given the imminent rejection of the shorthaul EBA.
Regardless, the key difference between here and 1966 is that workchoices has ensured that the company can do what it wants when it wants.
I have just registered with p!rep.0rg Prior to doing so I emailed the mods to see if they were jetstar biased also.
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Sydney Morning Herald - 22 June 2006
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Mr Gregg said he had “no idea” about speculation that Qantas’s full-service operations may soon lease aircraft and crews from its low-cost Jetstar subsidiary.
There is speculation the airline may lease Boeing 787s from Jetstar when the new jets are delivered from 2008, in an attempt to drive down labour costs.
“Realistically Qantas will do what it needs to do to continue to operate,” Mr Gregg said. “Whether or not Jetstar provides wet-leasing capacity to Qantas, I think that would be some time away.”
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Mr Gregg said he had “no idea” about speculation that Qantas’s full-service operations may soon lease aircraft and crews from its low-cost Jetstar subsidiary.
There is speculation the airline may lease Boeing 787s from Jetstar when the new jets are delivered from 2008, in an attempt to drive down labour costs.
“Realistically Qantas will do what it needs to do to continue to operate,” Mr Gregg said. “Whether or not Jetstar provides wet-leasing capacity to Qantas, I think that would be some time away.”
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UNOME, please don't retire hurt. I was not upset by your humerous post, infact I really did find it amusing and as I believe it was intended. You are correct, I did have a look at myself and analysed my previous posts and have modified my view on a number of things as a result of your dig. Well done. I wasn't aware that I knew a Woomera. Now I suppose I could work out which of my friends it is but I probably won't. Nice to have a friend who will leap to your defence tho.
Watchdog, Jet* is a much bigger group than the pilots that accepted the original gig in order to have a job. The vote on the widebody would have been influnced to a very large extent by a number of ex-Ansett Captains that wished to have permanant commands, as well as younger people who wished to fly wide-body international but don't wish to work for QF(maybe they could or couldn't anyhow) and a bunch of F.O's that want a command. We have a number of pilots that have resigned from QF to join us. It is not as simple as "well we got the original start, lets reject this so that QF/Other pilots in the region won't be pressured." Jet* pilot body is not a unionised workforce, in fact a number of people here have reason to believe they have been disadvantaged in the past by unionisation.
Until all pilots in Oz work together again there will be a continual downward trend. The AIPA and the AFAP can't agree on how to get together in order to protect all pilots. AIPA apparently want to assist only the pilots employed under the QF banner. They don't appear to care about NJS, Virgin, REX, an a myriad of other pilots who will constantly be willing to take up any offers available. The stated aim of AIPA was to curtail the growth of Jet*, understandable but not likely to attract Jet* pilots to join AIPA to fight for terms and conditions.
If AIPA and AFAP are able to get together and agree on a way forward then pilots will be able to participate in that common goal.
Watchdog, Jet* is a much bigger group than the pilots that accepted the original gig in order to have a job. The vote on the widebody would have been influnced to a very large extent by a number of ex-Ansett Captains that wished to have permanant commands, as well as younger people who wished to fly wide-body international but don't wish to work for QF(maybe they could or couldn't anyhow) and a bunch of F.O's that want a command. We have a number of pilots that have resigned from QF to join us. It is not as simple as "well we got the original start, lets reject this so that QF/Other pilots in the region won't be pressured." Jet* pilot body is not a unionised workforce, in fact a number of people here have reason to believe they have been disadvantaged in the past by unionisation.
Until all pilots in Oz work together again there will be a continual downward trend. The AIPA and the AFAP can't agree on how to get together in order to protect all pilots. AIPA apparently want to assist only the pilots employed under the QF banner. They don't appear to care about NJS, Virgin, REX, an a myriad of other pilots who will constantly be willing to take up any offers available. The stated aim of AIPA was to curtail the growth of Jet*, understandable but not likely to attract Jet* pilots to join AIPA to fight for terms and conditions.
If AIPA and AFAP are able to get together and agree on a way forward then pilots will be able to participate in that common goal.
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FF.
Were starting a new list, similar to Alex Pattersons,
and we have very long memories
To call for unity is complete crap. QF pilots hve been willing and able to help but have never been meaningfully asked. A vague hint was dropped under the pres who is now the CP. Figure that one out how it didnt work.
AIPA has continously offered to help the Jetstar pilots. They have refused because its easier to undercut and its more satisifying for people like you to see blokes such as myself and my peers lose their houses and lifestyles.
Its spite pure and simple.
Unbelivable that you have the gall to try and justify your position here on a public forum.
Go on ban me woomera, it wont change how any QF mainline pilots feel about you and your mates like FF
OK...7 days enough?
Woomera
Were starting a new list, similar to Alex Pattersons,
and we have very long memories
To call for unity is complete crap. QF pilots hve been willing and able to help but have never been meaningfully asked. A vague hint was dropped under the pres who is now the CP. Figure that one out how it didnt work.
AIPA has continously offered to help the Jetstar pilots. They have refused because its easier to undercut and its more satisifying for people like you to see blokes such as myself and my peers lose their houses and lifestyles.
Its spite pure and simple.
Unbelivable that you have the gall to try and justify your position here on a public forum.
Go on ban me woomera, it wont change how any QF mainline pilots feel about you and your mates like FF
OK...7 days enough?
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FF a seemingly reasonded post but there is still that anti AIPA sentiment.
The ogre that is AIPA in you're mind needs to be considered.
If AIPA wins the court case regarding the JI A330 flying you will find that nothing will change regarding WHO crews it, but the award (cash + conditions) will be markedly better. That is how this law is applied, it is not about who does what, but about the instrument (award etc) under which it is done.
Not a bad outcome for people who by and large are not members.
AIPA, QF pilots and various individuals here are not you're enemy, even if we are a bit p&**%d off by what you guys have done. Nothing AIPA is doing is designed to prevent JI as such.
It may well be you that will get a very LARGE win out of this.
The only win your "enemies" will get is a useful precedent which may or may not help out later....you should be hoping "we" win for "your" sake.
The ogre that is AIPA in you're mind needs to be considered.
If AIPA wins the court case regarding the JI A330 flying you will find that nothing will change regarding WHO crews it, but the award (cash + conditions) will be markedly better. That is how this law is applied, it is not about who does what, but about the instrument (award etc) under which it is done.
Not a bad outcome for people who by and large are not members.
AIPA, QF pilots and various individuals here are not you're enemy, even if we are a bit p&**%d off by what you guys have done. Nothing AIPA is doing is designed to prevent JI as such.
It may well be you that will get a very LARGE win out of this.
The only win your "enemies" will get is a useful precedent which may or may not help out later....you should be hoping "we" win for "your" sake.
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Can I ask that we keep this civil?
Speedy's tell's it as it is. Watch the developments in the AIPA Federal court case. There will be evidence given there that will clearly delineate who the bad guys are here and what their plans are for all of us; and it won't be AIPA.
Jetstar guys, I say this again. Once you have been used to destroy the QF LH and SH Certified Agreements, they will go to work on you using exactly the same tactics and probably using the other players mentioned.
You have no scope clause. You have no way to stop QF farming off your flying to a wet leasing company specially made for that purpose. Don't think it won't happen. The only way for all of us to avoid being played like second hand violins is to UNIFY.
Are you getting that message?
Speedy's tell's it as it is. Watch the developments in the AIPA Federal court case. There will be evidence given there that will clearly delineate who the bad guys are here and what their plans are for all of us; and it won't be AIPA.
Jetstar guys, I say this again. Once you have been used to destroy the QF LH and SH Certified Agreements, they will go to work on you using exactly the same tactics and probably using the other players mentioned.
You have no scope clause. You have no way to stop QF farming off your flying to a wet leasing company specially made for that purpose. Don't think it won't happen. The only way for all of us to avoid being played like second hand violins is to UNIFY.
Are you getting that message?
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rick is having a break...anyone else start threatening other posters in any way shape or form, let alone with a scab listing, will be banned Forever.
This thread is now locked. Feel free to start another but the instant it heads down the path of vitriolic slagging it will be 'click' and bannings.
Your enemy is not one another.
Woomera
This thread is now locked. Feel free to start another but the instant it heads down the path of vitriolic slagging it will be 'click' and bannings.
Your enemy is not one another.
Woomera
