Pilot Suspensions / Mt Cook Airlines
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Pilot Suspensions / Mt Cook Airlines
See in the Otago Daily Times that several Mt Cook pilots have been suspended in the last week for refusing to work other than the roster. also hear on the grapevine that these pilots were left high and dry and required to get their own way home from Queenstown - two days later after the snow in a rental car. Isn't that pretty low of the management. What is going on at Mt Chook? 
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Well they are working to rule down there so I guess this was expected to happen at some stage or another
Not bagging management but it does appear that its a whole lot of sqobbling over very small amounts of money.
A little good will from said company (returning the good will pilot group has shown) would prob go a long way to having this dispute sorted.
Good luck to all
Not bagging management but it does appear that its a whole lot of sqobbling over very small amounts of money.
A little good will from said company (returning the good will pilot group has shown) would prob go a long way to having this dispute sorted.
Good luck to all
boys... you are deluding yourselves to ever consider that the NSN boys will ever get their hands on the Q400's. Just a management ploy to create competition amongst the troops who effectively work for the same company. You need to be working together, supporting better working conditions etc etc. Nsn and Q400's will NEVER happen. It came up with Nsn's negotiations last time and i can assure you it will come up next time.
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Quote "Good job.
They need to get over themselves down there. The boys in NSN might be getting closer to flying ATR's."
stoidiuoy-do you have any idea what the issues are with these negotiations?
If you did you wouldn't be making those idiotic comments.
Get back in your tomahawk and shut up!
They need to get over themselves down there. The boys in NSN might be getting closer to flying ATR's."
stoidiuoy-do you have any idea what the issues are with these negotiations?
If you did you wouldn't be making those idiotic comments.
Get back in your tomahawk and shut up!
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Hi,
Can you please package pack left nut in ice and send by courier.
Thanks in advance,
Ron Jeremy
PS: As previously discussed on the phone, before sending I would like the use of wax rather than razor. Cheers Ron.
Can you please package pack left nut in ice and send by courier.
Thanks in advance,
Ron Jeremy
PS: As previously discussed on the phone, before sending I would like the use of wax rather than razor. Cheers Ron.
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The whole point here is for other pilot groups to be supportive! the whole reason this industry is going the way it is, is because we numb nuts like idiot and we lay down to easy (not talking in the sack). Its about bloody time a pilot group stood up for what they wanted. Also remember they are working to rule! not shuting the company down by walking out for a day, shows good will is still there.
Good luck to the boys and girls at chook, hope you get what your asking
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Never Do It!
FRF,
If you are a pilot, you should already know:
1. You can bet your job;
2. You can bet your wife;
3. You NEVER bet your balls......
However, I've met a few soprano pilots in the last couple 'o years.
If you are a pilot, you should already know:
1. You can bet your job;
2. You can bet your wife;
3. You NEVER bet your balls......
However, I've met a few soprano pilots in the last couple 'o years.
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FRF,
The "bigger aircraft" issue did come up last contract nego and did get incorporated into the present contract........NEVER say NEVER!
I don't agree with the "divide and conquer" strategy employed by big brother but the leverage obtained between the subsidiaries is the reason that they have been allowed to continue as their own entities until now....
The "bigger aircraft" issue did come up last contract nego and did get incorporated into the present contract........NEVER say NEVER!
I don't agree with the "divide and conquer" strategy employed by big brother but the leverage obtained between the subsidiaries is the reason that they have been allowed to continue as their own entities until now....
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Typical blardy pilots!!!
Here's a group of guys who have stood up to the penny pinching miserable management that is universal in this industry, they held the line, and sounds like they have now paid the price.
And within a matter of a few threads this post has deteriated into a bunch of twits bleating on about how they could possibly benefit from it.
This thread typifies the state of our industry - We take one small step forward and before the bed has even gone cold, our supposed colleagues are circling overhead and scrapping over the carcasse.
I am bloody sick of it! If only I could wind the clock back, with the benefit of hindsight I would not have my arse rotting in a aluminiuim tube. There are too many snakes and rats in this game, and it aint gettin better!!!!!
To all the NM boys and girls at the coal face who are up against the might of the overlords - good luck to you, I have no idea of your case or cause, but thoughts are with you.
Here's a group of guys who have stood up to the penny pinching miserable management that is universal in this industry, they held the line, and sounds like they have now paid the price.
And within a matter of a few threads this post has deteriated into a bunch of twits bleating on about how they could possibly benefit from it.
This thread typifies the state of our industry - We take one small step forward and before the bed has even gone cold, our supposed colleagues are circling overhead and scrapping over the carcasse.
I am bloody sick of it! If only I could wind the clock back, with the benefit of hindsight I would not have my arse rotting in a aluminiuim tube. There are too many snakes and rats in this game, and it aint gettin better!!!!!
To all the NM boys and girls at the coal face who are up against the might of the overlords - good luck to you, I have no idea of your case or cause, but thoughts are with you.
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One left Nut,More money, Ron likes the wax affect.
I stated along time ago that in order for pilots to not continue getting screwed, all need to get together and keep the aluminium on the ground.
Weed out the soft cocks:
In 1986 flying a Motueka air services Az-truk & PA:31, I was getting NZD's $34,500:
To re- enter the NZ system now with 13500 hrs,and have to be happy in the right seat, and get $36.000,
and have to move location, and be thankful for being allowed to operate within a third world, yes I said third world managed operation, that pay up their compliance fee's, get the box's ticked, and a management that buries their heads in the sand with their professional Act.
I shall add under a CAA run by self serving so called professionals ,that have long lost their aviation passion, and just take take take: In 1997 as a expat depending on the exchange rate I was earning circa $NZD's $150,000.
Enter Sept 11th: (Yeah I know they all used it as an excuse for some reason to lay off heaps?. ) through to October 2004, we had to sign 4 new "permanent" contracts, each with a demise in salary, 2004 it was NZD's $ 68,000 :
I have to my "shame"
known whores that had more self respect than I then had:One morning I woke up; and did not want to do it anymore, I did not enjoy it anymore.
I actually called them and told them ( so childishly) to stick it
Man it felt SO SO good, they could'nt believe me, they even had the audasity to ask what was wrong I quit:
Pay for your training, pay for your type ratings, $100.000 student loans, then get paid peanuts, Oh and don't forget the tube of KY to add to your flight case.
My mate ( I have the Odd one you know) is driving a courier run 5 nights a week for a bank, He makes NZD's $130.000.
And yes I am now living back in NZ:
Now its 04:30 am and I am going for a beer or three.
Am I passionate about aviation? dam right I am, and now I get great reward in giving my time to young ones that maybe can't afford the money? in teaching them subject matter, and Micro lite instruction.
Don't continue to bitch about it, have some faith in your self and bloody well do something about it.
Crack.
Bring on the Vitriol comment.
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This whole argument is about a couple of minor points in the contract negotiation.
The new pay rates have already been agreed to, but management refuse to backdate them to the end of the last CEA (about six months ago). The only reason any backdating is required is due to management's refusal to negotiate fairly in the first place. The other issue is firm business class travel to the sim (this should be a given).
Anyone who thinks this is acceptable management practice needs their head read. I would imagine the small amount of money required to finalise negotiations has now been spent many times over dealing with the industrial action. Flights are being canceled on a daily basis, which creates a huge headache for much of the domestic network.
This is simply a case of management cutting off their nose to spite their face. It is childish of them to try and keep the pilot group under the thumb like this, particularly a group of pilots who normaly do their utmost to keep the operation ticking along as well as it does. We're now seeing what results from removing that good will.
As others have stated, we need to stick together with our Mt Cook colleagues. Talk of Air Nelson taking over is not helpful, and borne out of ignorance and greed. Any Air Nelson pilot who is rubbing their hands together at the prospect should be put out of their misery.
To the boys and girls at Mt Cook, keep standing firm. We are all behind you.
BTW, if you hear traffic staff bagging MC pilots for the disruptions, please educate them as to the real cause of the problem.
The new pay rates have already been agreed to, but management refuse to backdate them to the end of the last CEA (about six months ago). The only reason any backdating is required is due to management's refusal to negotiate fairly in the first place. The other issue is firm business class travel to the sim (this should be a given).
Anyone who thinks this is acceptable management practice needs their head read. I would imagine the small amount of money required to finalise negotiations has now been spent many times over dealing with the industrial action. Flights are being canceled on a daily basis, which creates a huge headache for much of the domestic network.
This is simply a case of management cutting off their nose to spite their face. It is childish of them to try and keep the pilot group under the thumb like this, particularly a group of pilots who normaly do their utmost to keep the operation ticking along as well as it does. We're now seeing what results from removing that good will.
As others have stated, we need to stick together with our Mt Cook colleagues. Talk of Air Nelson taking over is not helpful, and borne out of ignorance and greed. Any Air Nelson pilot who is rubbing their hands together at the prospect should be put out of their misery.
To the boys and girls at Mt Cook, keep standing firm. We are all behind you.
BTW, if you hear traffic staff bagging MC pilots for the disruptions, please educate them as to the real cause of the problem.
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The new pay rates have already been agreed to, but management refuse to backdate them to the end of the last CEA (about six months ago). The only reason any backdating is required is due to management's refusal to negotiate fairly in the first place.
Does this sound like another sleezy company's tactics?
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Cloud mate...great post and well said,...you say minor points,that maybe true,but for those of us who have been in negotiations with mgt before AND been threatened with punitive actions,...those minor points ultimately show the backbone,ethics,and principles....of those involved.
Some may scoff at those as illusions,but let me tell you this,....pilots who are behind you but dont feel they want to be in the negotiation process or know there are better qualified people to handle the tricky parts,will thank you for your service,s...not all want to be at the table,but anyone who care,s about their livelyhood will always take a keen interest and show support when required.
This Mgt is no different than any other,and we all know the game,and its all about stiking the best deal for whatever side you are on.....the bottom line,..both sides need to be able to compromise.
stoiduoy......where do you live,I,d like to come and see you
Some may scoff at those as illusions,but let me tell you this,....pilots who are behind you but dont feel they want to be in the negotiation process or know there are better qualified people to handle the tricky parts,will thank you for your service,s...not all want to be at the table,but anyone who care,s about their livelyhood will always take a keen interest and show support when required.
This Mgt is no different than any other,and we all know the game,and its all about stiking the best deal for whatever side you are on.....the bottom line,..both sides need to be able to compromise.
stoiduoy......where do you live,I,d like to come and see you
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I would'nt mind seeing the great idiot in person too. PM the address Pakeha when you know, we'll make a road trip of it!
Good post Cloud.
P.S. It's approaching 9 months of now for the troops, but understand mediation later this week so who knows what may happen.
Good post Cloud.
P.S. It's approaching 9 months of
now for the troops, but understand mediation later this week so who knows what may happen.
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My faith is renewed! There are some REAL people out there!
Ref my earlier post;
Stoidiuoy - you and your ilk are the snakes and someday, somewhere, somebody will step on your head.
To the others that have shown me that intestinal fortitude still exists - good onya.
My best wishes to the NM drivers, and hopefully they will come out of this with their heads held high. To do so will benefit all in some way - even the snakes!
Ref my earlier post;
I am bloody sick of it! If only I could wind the clock back, with the benefit of hindsight I would not have my arse rotting in a aluminiuim tube. There are too many snakes and rats in this game, and it aint gettin better!!!!!
To the others that have shown me that intestinal fortitude still exists - good onya.
My best wishes to the NM drivers, and hopefully they will come out of this with their heads held high. To do so will benefit all in some way - even the snakes!