747-400 D check cancelled due to big announcment
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747-400 D check cancelled due to big announcment
Tonight at dinner our DMM come down to the smoko room to tell us that the D check that is due to arrive tommorrow morning has been cancelled,due to the big announcement that is to be made in the nexted few days into the future of Heavy Maint in Sydney.
The reason for it not arriving was that management didn't wish to have an aircraft pulled apart with the news that they where about to announce.
In my 20 yrs in Heavy Maint this has never happened
The reason for it not arriving was that management didn't wish to have an aircraft pulled apart with the news that they where about to announce.
In my 20 yrs in Heavy Maint this has never happened
So what? They reckon they're going to have a large number of pissed off engineers who might not bother to do a good job on the D check (or might not even bother doing any work on it at all)?
Good luck to you guys, hope the news isn't too bad.
Good luck to you guys, hope the news isn't too bad.
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Darth Dixon is just about to announce that he and his queen maggie are going to open a heavy maintenance facility in Maralinga.It will be staffed by 10,000 Afghani's they are bringing in for the job on 11 month contracts.
They will be paid basically nothing with the people actually paying Darth for the priviledge of working for him and they are bringing their own tents so it is a cost neutral exercise..
qantas shares rose 5 cents after the announcement..
Don't laugh too much at this because I bet Darth has thought of something just like this...
If Sydney does lose the maitenance contract ,this will just be the start and in 50 years time the only Australians with jobs will be those on the boards of companies
They will be paid basically nothing with the people actually paying Darth for the priviledge of working for him and they are bringing their own tents so it is a cost neutral exercise..
qantas shares rose 5 cents after the announcement..
Don't laugh too much at this because I bet Darth has thought of something just like this...
If Sydney does lose the maitenance contract ,this will just be the start and in 50 years time the only Australians with jobs will be those on the boards of companies
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I find it offensive that they coud even consider that Qantas H/M engineers would be so unethical and unproffesional to not work to the best of their ability under all circumstances.
Do they think we would hold their aircraft to ransom or something?
Do they think we would hold their aircraft to ransom or something?
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It is offensive, but they are probably just thinking what they would do if THEY were in that position. There is not a lot of loyalty in management.
Speaking to a friend at the rat yesterday- heard that one of the 744 sims is earmarked to go to Singapore. So it looks like more than SO's might get a basing up there....
Speaking to a friend at the rat yesterday- heard that one of the 744 sims is earmarked to go to Singapore. So it looks like more than SO's might get a basing up there....
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Originally Posted by Turbo 5B
I find it offensive that they coud even consider that Qantas H/M engineers would be so unethical and unproffesional to not work to the best of their ability under all circumstances.
Do they think we would hold their aircraft to ransom or something?
Do they think we would hold their aircraft to ransom or something?
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Apophis, are you suggesting that we would deliberately snag the bejesus out of the aircraft, dissassemble it to the Nth degree, put in RESs to tech services for every little item, look for nil stock items to snag, reprint new copies of all the maintenance manuals every day (whilst reporting every computer defect to the 6666 help line), comply with all the ohs requiremnts 100% no exceptions, and blow out a 48 day check to 90 days, all because QF have chosen to replace Australian workers with cheap overseas labour.
You cynic, you!
We wouldn't even consider doing any of that stuff.
We leave that sort of thing to the AMEs, they're much better at it than us spineless LAMEs.
You cynic, you!
We wouldn't even consider doing any of that stuff.
We leave that sort of thing to the AMEs, they're much better at it than us spineless LAMEs.
I respectfully suggest that the reason the aircraft is not being hangared is because once you've heard the announcement, the aircraft would never leave the hangar again.
You have been AGAIN used as a bargaining chip by QF. Now that the Australian government has caved in and kept Singapore Airlines out, your jobs will be going to China.
Don't any of you understand? If all QF staff, including pilots were paid just one dollar an hour, your Board regards that as ninety-nine cents an hour too much!
To put it yet another way, you are totally expendable and a nuisance to boot. They don't want you. You are an embarassment. You are superfluous. Try and get that through your head. In their twisted little minds, the Board and Management makes things happen.......and things magically happen.
I will be the first to cheer if I am wrong. Good luck!
You have been AGAIN used as a bargaining chip by QF. Now that the Australian government has caved in and kept Singapore Airlines out, your jobs will be going to China.
Don't any of you understand? If all QF staff, including pilots were paid just one dollar an hour, your Board regards that as ninety-nine cents an hour too much!
To put it yet another way, you are totally expendable and a nuisance to boot. They don't want you. You are an embarassment. You are superfluous. Try and get that through your head. In their twisted little minds, the Board and Management makes things happen.......and things magically happen.
I will be the first to cheer if I am wrong. Good luck!
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Originally Posted by nomorecatering
And they have the hide to put full page adds in the papers saying that Qantas is proudly Australian.
The Rat isnt know for advertising in popular media when there isnt a Major worldwide drawcard event.
still plenty of work north of Syd!
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qf1 "and i hope you don't have to fly an aircraft which was maintained in China"
I flew with CX for 33 years, all our aircraft were maintained locally by engineers who in the majority were Chinese. Shortly before my retirement, Cathay set up a maintanance base in Xiamen China where Chinese maintenace engineers continue to do a sterling job during heavy maintenance and letter checks for a lot of foreign jurisdiction airlines from many parts of the world. Do you really think Australian LAMEs are the only ones in the world who know what they are doing?
I flew with CX for 33 years, all our aircraft were maintained locally by engineers who in the majority were Chinese. Shortly before my retirement, Cathay set up a maintanance base in Xiamen China where Chinese maintenace engineers continue to do a sterling job during heavy maintenance and letter checks for a lot of foreign jurisdiction airlines from many parts of the world. Do you really think Australian LAMEs are the only ones in the world who know what they are doing?
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Originally Posted by Turbo 5B
Apophis, are you suggesting that we would deliberately snag the bejesus out of the aircraft, dissassemble it to the Nth degree, put in RESs to tech services for every little item, look for nil stock items to snag, reprint new copies of all the maintenance manuals every day (whilst reporting every computer defect to the 6666 help line), comply with all the ohs requiremnts 100% no exceptions, and blow out a 48 day check to 90 days, all because QF have chosen to replace Australian workers with cheap overseas labour.
You cynic, you!
We wouldn't even consider doing any of that stuff.
We leave that sort of thing to the AMEs, they're much better at it than us spineless LAMEs.
You cynic, you!
We wouldn't even consider doing any of that stuff.
We leave that sort of thing to the AMEs, they're much better at it than us spineless LAMEs.
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have heard the aircraft to do a couple of sectors
then go to our overflow facility for "D" check
the "C" check to be done to keep heavy busy for two weeks they hate to have people standing around
then go to our overflow facility for "D" check
the "C" check to be done to keep heavy busy for two weeks they hate to have people standing around
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I don't agree with Sunfish often but have to give him ten out of ten for his post. It will be interesting to see what happens when no more cost cutting can be made but I guess the current management will be long gone by then.
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Hot Dog, CX is a very reputable airline with a great reputation for maintenance(obviously by local engineers).
However they are maintaining their own planes and they have an extensive experience and tradition of maintaining aircraft.
However getting a newly opened asian MRO to carry out D checks on Qantas aircraft is an entirely different story. Even if the quality was there,(and who would know because you would have to pull the aircraft to pieces before you would find that huge piece of corrossion that was missed), the chances are that they would increase the price once you lost you ability to carry out the maintenance yourself anyway.
I know a few people who have done 3 month contracts in these sort of operations and the stories they come back with are scary.
It's nice to be trusting Hot Dog, but do you take your car to the cheapest garage and just believe they they are doing what they are charging you for. Or do you send you car to someone that you know will look after it properly?
Qantas used to have a reputation for excellence in maintenance and servicing of their aircraft. I believe they are largely relying on reputation these days. Length of time between checks have been extended, ground time for these checks have been shortened, more work being done by third party operaters. These are facts and please don't try and tell me that quality will not suffer. I'm sure the spin doctors will be able to tell a good story though.
However they are maintaining their own planes and they have an extensive experience and tradition of maintaining aircraft.
However getting a newly opened asian MRO to carry out D checks on Qantas aircraft is an entirely different story. Even if the quality was there,(and who would know because you would have to pull the aircraft to pieces before you would find that huge piece of corrossion that was missed), the chances are that they would increase the price once you lost you ability to carry out the maintenance yourself anyway.
I know a few people who have done 3 month contracts in these sort of operations and the stories they come back with are scary.
It's nice to be trusting Hot Dog, but do you take your car to the cheapest garage and just believe they they are doing what they are charging you for. Or do you send you car to someone that you know will look after it properly?
Qantas used to have a reputation for excellence in maintenance and servicing of their aircraft. I believe they are largely relying on reputation these days. Length of time between checks have been extended, ground time for these checks have been shortened, more work being done by third party operaters. These are facts and please don't try and tell me that quality will not suffer. I'm sure the spin doctors will be able to tell a good story though.
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If the Unions mount a scare campaign as effective as the one against the industrial reforms they'll get this decision reversed easily (assuming the decision is made in the first place) Put the fear factor into passengers and they'll respond.
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I agree with most of your post but OEB was the only ex Asiana B744 that QF bought second hand which is why its systems are different from the rest of the fleet. OEC and OED were ex Malaysian airlines and I understand that the lousy paint job that you accurately described was done by MAS paint facility. The resulting cracks in the fuselage skin was severe and could have had major consequences. As far as I know there has not been a similar problem with OEB.
Good luck to all QF HM guys - I hope the announcement is not as bad as we fear.
I agree with most of your post but OEB was the only ex Asiana B744 that QF bought second hand which is why its systems are different from the rest of the fleet. OEC and OED were ex Malaysian airlines and I understand that the lousy paint job that you accurately described was done by MAS paint facility. The resulting cracks in the fuselage skin was severe and could have had major consequences. As far as I know there has not been a similar problem with OEB.
Good luck to all QF HM guys - I hope the announcement is not as bad as we fear.
