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as a you may have guessed i am a SYD H/M worker, what you say is correct we do need the support, to many times over the years QF has been eroding away different area of the Maintenance area within Qantas, not only dividing up the unions but also outsourceing the various different areas within engineering.
here is some more food to feed on........food for thought you could say.
The workshops have been moved out to Bankstown making it harder to get the parts back in time to complete the checks (lack of support), but when trying to get in the work such as the re-configs ie:A330-300 and the B767 we proved that we could not only do this work beside the hurdles that were put up in our way, but also pull a profit in SYD H/M the hardest part here was the manpower in the workshops to be able to complete the tasks.
It should be also noted that SYD H/M maint had the complete B767 fleet to be reconfiged in H191 which would have supported the workforce that we had after line 2 closed down and had moved to Brissy and by this stage the maintenance and standards group would have been up and running and bringing in work for Heavy.
now all we have is an empty hangar with seat boxes in it and to workshop planners and co-ordinators in the old planning crib so it can't be used for Heavy Maint.
it was sugested but a person i know to the management that maybe we should do more of this work and also bring in other operators aircraft for reconfig work so we could see what the other arlines aircraft were like so that when quoting for work we had a better idea of what work was invovled and turn the so called loss into a profit........ still waiting to see the outcome.
I heard while carrying out the reconfigs, that before the aircraft came in, it was asked at a meeting with workshop management if the workshop could support the job the answer was no but when pushed it was able to get done, the success of the project came down largely to the hard work of these areas and the experiance of the guys working on the aircraft.
It should be also noted that there is a back log of work within the workshops but when asked if they could have more worker the answers have been "NO" from the management, due to the fact that there is no enough work to keep them empolyed. At this point it should be noted that the MRO that have taken the workshop work within Australia have expanded there Business 10 fold and still expanding. Maybe QF should start looking a Engineering as a loss but as an asset, one that can make money ....after all we have alredy proved this.
sorry guys if this is alittle long winded but it shows alittle more about what has been happening in the back ground .... but it makes you think
as a you may have guessed i am a SYD H/M worker, what you say is correct we do need the support, to many times over the years QF has been eroding away different area of the Maintenance area within Qantas, not only dividing up the unions but also outsourceing the various different areas within engineering.
here is some more food to feed on........food for thought you could say.
The workshops have been moved out to Bankstown making it harder to get the parts back in time to complete the checks (lack of support), but when trying to get in the work such as the re-configs ie:A330-300 and the B767 we proved that we could not only do this work beside the hurdles that were put up in our way, but also pull a profit in SYD H/M the hardest part here was the manpower in the workshops to be able to complete the tasks.
It should be also noted that SYD H/M maint had the complete B767 fleet to be reconfiged in H191 which would have supported the workforce that we had after line 2 closed down and had moved to Brissy and by this stage the maintenance and standards group would have been up and running and bringing in work for Heavy.
now all we have is an empty hangar with seat boxes in it and to workshop planners and co-ordinators in the old planning crib so it can't be used for Heavy Maint.
it was sugested but a person i know to the management that maybe we should do more of this work and also bring in other operators aircraft for reconfig work so we could see what the other arlines aircraft were like so that when quoting for work we had a better idea of what work was invovled and turn the so called loss into a profit........ still waiting to see the outcome.
I heard while carrying out the reconfigs, that before the aircraft came in, it was asked at a meeting with workshop management if the workshop could support the job the answer was no but when pushed it was able to get done, the success of the project came down largely to the hard work of these areas and the experiance of the guys working on the aircraft.
It should be also noted that there is a back log of work within the workshops but when asked if they could have more worker the answers have been "NO" from the management, due to the fact that there is no enough work to keep them empolyed. At this point it should be noted that the MRO that have taken the workshop work within Australia have expanded there Business 10 fold and still expanding. Maybe QF should start looking a Engineering as a loss but as an asset, one that can make money ....after all we have alredy proved this.
sorry guys if this is alittle long winded but it shows alittle more about what has been happening in the back ground .... but it makes you think
Mr Qantas, are you for real?????????? I am sure your posts are simply just a wind up tactic and do nothing to clarify or help the current situation which is the continuing livelyhood of a very large portion of the QF maintenance workforce. Once these skills are lost it is forever and then the continuing decline of our safety standards back to just mediocre will eventually result in the loss of an aircraft, and in my case one of the crew could be my daughter.
It is a pity the pathetic ALAEA have totally lost the plot and the confidence of a lot of it's members as they are QF lapdogs.
Please have a small amount of spine and stick together against this real threat and keep the HM in Australia where it belongs.
End of rant!!!!!
It is a pity the pathetic ALAEA have totally lost the plot and the confidence of a lot of it's members as they are QF lapdogs.
Please have a small amount of spine and stick together against this real threat and keep the HM in Australia where it belongs.
End of rant!!!!!
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looks like we know soon the annoucement is ment to be tonight about QF's plans and will find out tomorrow, good luck to us at H/M and if we go god help the rest because they can quite easy get outsourced workers in to replace SIT and SDT soon after.
some thing else to think about......
some thing else to think about......
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If it's just a wind up tactic he seems to be doing a good job of it. I prefer to give him the response he deserves.
Mr Qantas -
And for the rest of the readers - Wing surfer thanks for the submission, I look forward to more details of how Qantas are working overtime to make it's own employees look bad. Just wondering if they have the same problems at Avalon.
We need to stick together on this one guys. The airline might try and eliminate the ALAEA members but it will only happen if we let them. Pathetic as they may seem right now, an election is just around the corner and those running the show right now appear to have little or no hope of re-election. If I was in the Eastern States I'd run against the Fed Sec myself. Come to think of it I could do a better job if I didn't step foot in bexley for 4 years.
Turbo 5B correct you are about the strong protecting the weak. The pointy end of the operation is where we can hurt them and thats where I work so you have my support. Some may have forgotten their roots (supervisors mainly Mr Q, Fed Sec) but i for one remember the days I got my first licence in a hangar. This is where we learn our trade and I can imagine the grief currently being experienced by the young blokes there. It's time to stop thinking of oneself.
Mr Qantas -
And for the rest of the readers - Wing surfer thanks for the submission, I look forward to more details of how Qantas are working overtime to make it's own employees look bad. Just wondering if they have the same problems at Avalon.
We need to stick together on this one guys. The airline might try and eliminate the ALAEA members but it will only happen if we let them. Pathetic as they may seem right now, an election is just around the corner and those running the show right now appear to have little or no hope of re-election. If I was in the Eastern States I'd run against the Fed Sec myself. Come to think of it I could do a better job if I didn't step foot in bexley for 4 years.
Turbo 5B correct you are about the strong protecting the weak. The pointy end of the operation is where we can hurt them and thats where I work so you have my support. Some may have forgotten their roots (supervisors mainly Mr Q, Fed Sec) but i for one remember the days I got my first licence in a hangar. This is where we learn our trade and I can imagine the grief currently being experienced by the young blokes there. It's time to stop thinking of oneself.
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fordran,
if we get through all this it might be a timely reminder that we were all in one union once and the power that the company has within the airline at the moment with the divisions and now the IR reform maybe it might be time to join the forces again and speak as one voice rather than 9 differnt unions as it now is..... just more food for thought
ok i'll sign out until the next time and heading off to have a drink at the local and forget about this until tomorrow...... hope its good news then i can celebrate
if we get through all this it might be a timely reminder that we were all in one union once and the power that the company has within the airline at the moment with the divisions and now the IR reform maybe it might be time to join the forces again and speak as one voice rather than 9 differnt unions as it now is..... just more food for thought
ok i'll sign out until the next time and heading off to have a drink at the local and forget about this until tomorrow...... hope its good news then i can celebrate
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"Fellas, I admire your tenacity.
Keep at this bloke, Hot Dog.
Something about him doesn't sound right."
Well everybody knows that you are all aces. All I have been trying to say is that Asian MROs are not the bitter end as some of you predict. Although a severe thread creep is in evidence, having changed from knock Dixon to knock HotDog, I may just give Dixon a call for a bit of a reward for taking the heat off him.
Keep at this bloke, Hot Dog.
Something about him doesn't sound right."
Well everybody knows that you are all aces. All I have been trying to say is that Asian MROs are not the bitter end as some of you predict. Although a severe thread creep is in evidence, having changed from knock Dixon to knock HotDog, I may just give Dixon a call for a bit of a reward for taking the heat off him.
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HOW TO INSPECT A QANTAS AIRCRAFT AT AVALON
Write as many AW,s as you like have a LAME authorise them without looking at them because he trusts you then hide a good proportion of them in your locker and bring them out when you want overtime or dump them back in the rack at the end of the check when you will be on your weekend off.
That’s how some people inspect a Qantas aircraft at Avalon.
then hide a good proportion of them in your locker and bring them out when you want overtime or dump them back in the rack at the end of the check when you will be on your weekend off.That’s how some people inspect a Qantas aircraft at Avalon.
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Write as many AW,s as you like have a LAME authorise them without looking at them because he trusts you
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Originally Posted by HotDog
"Fellas, I admire your tenacity.
Keep at this bloke, Hot Dog.
Something about him doesn't sound right."
Well everybody knows that you are all aces. All I have been trying to say is that Asian MROs are not the bitter end as some of you predict. Although a severe thread creep is in evidence, having changed from knock Dixon to knock HotDog, I may just give Dixon a call for a bit of a reward for taking the heat off him.
Keep at this bloke, Hot Dog.
Something about him doesn't sound right."
Well everybody knows that you are all aces. All I have been trying to say is that Asian MROs are not the bitter end as some of you predict. Although a severe thread creep is in evidence, having changed from knock Dixon to knock HotDog, I may just give Dixon a call for a bit of a reward for taking the heat off him.
And if an asian mro gets the aircaft that I currently work on it is the "bitter end" you self indulgent idiot.
At least Dixon has a purpose in life, and that is to screw anyone for a profit.
Your purpose is to see your semi informed opinions on the internet and think that people should respect them.
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Don't get your hopes up about our ALAEA President. I also saw him in the canteen and also thought that there must be some high level discussions.
I asked him if that was was why he was in town but alas no!! He was simply here for 747-400 Maintenance Authority P.C.T.
I said it must be time to at least talk of some form of action with the rumoured restructure to heavy maint. His reply was " have you heard of the new IR laws" . I realised that no meaningful information would be forthcoming from him and he quickly tired of the subject of our conversation.
I am 100% behind the HM guys but don't expect much from our president- he's too busy doing P.C.T. training.
Hotdog- its nice that you remain interested in you retirement but try and sympathise with those families who will lose their livelyhoods if there is any redundancies before you post.
Mr Q your ,loyalty to the executive is admirable but I feel somewhat misplaced.
I asked him if that was was why he was in town but alas no!! He was simply here for 747-400 Maintenance Authority P.C.T.
I said it must be time to at least talk of some form of action with the rumoured restructure to heavy maint. His reply was " have you heard of the new IR laws" . I realised that no meaningful information would be forthcoming from him and he quickly tired of the subject of our conversation.
I am 100% behind the HM guys but don't expect much from our president- he's too busy doing P.C.T. training.
Hotdog- its nice that you remain interested in you retirement but try and sympathise with those families who will lose their livelyhoods if there is any redundancies before you post.
Mr Q your ,loyalty to the executive is admirable but I feel somewhat misplaced.
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I wonder if there will be any less management positions if they slash the sydney h/m work force to just enough numbers to carry out sA checks.
It would be nice to see the position of snr production manager not required any longer or to see the positions of workshop production manager and line 1 production manager merged.
What do you think Dave?
It would be nice to see the position of snr production manager not required any longer or to see the positions of workshop production manager and line 1 production manager merged.
What do you think Dave?
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hi guys
this is the lastest out of the Sydney morning Herld this morning. still no offical annoucement.....
QANTAS is poised to make one of the most controversial decisions in its 85-year history as early as next week.
The national carrier, due to release a reduced profit today, is in the final stages of deciding whether to send the heavy maintenance of its wide-body jets overseas, a move which would result in the loss of at least 2500 jobs.
Either way, the decision is set to inflame the tempers of unions and maintenance workers, given Qantas has already warned it will still have to slash jobs and costs even if its long-haul heavy maintenance operations remain in Australia.
China is seen as the most likely foreign base for Qantas maintenance, given the trend for international airlines such as United Airways, Lufthansa, Cathay Pacific and British Airways to send work there.
Qantas has already dropped several hints it is seriously considering China. Last month the airline's executive general manager, John Borghetti, noted how maintenance costs were 20 per cent lower there.
The only issue is the lack of spare maintenance capacity in China, thanks to the growing rush of airlines getting work done.
There has been speculation Qantas could form a maintenance joint venture with Boeing in China.
Boeing already has a joint venture with Cathay Pacific and Japan Airlines at the Taikoo Aircraft Engineering Co maintenance facility in the city of Xiamen.
With Boeing planning to build a new maintenance, repair and overhaul facility in Shanghai in partnership with Shanghai Airlines, Qantas could be presented with another location to service its 30 Boeing 747s.
Another contender includes Singapore Technologies Aerospace, which already has a relationship with Qantas.
Apart from servicing Qantas 767s in the past, ST Aero has a maintenance agreement with Qantas's part-owned Singapore airline, Jetstar Asia.
Asked if ST had held talks with Qantas, an ST spokeswoman said: "Qantas is a customer. As of all customers, we are always in discussions with them."
A major deal between Qantas and ST Aero could even result in some Qantas jets being serviced in the US, given ST has a major facility in Mobile, Alabama.
The decision is set to inflame the Australian Manufacturing Workers Union and Australian Workers Union, which are still in enterprise bargaining talks with Qantas.
The airline wants to cut maintenance workers' overtime pay, a move unions say will slash their take-home pay by 30 per cent.
this is the lastest out of the Sydney morning Herld this morning. still no offical annoucement.....
QANTAS is poised to make one of the most controversial decisions in its 85-year history as early as next week.
The national carrier, due to release a reduced profit today, is in the final stages of deciding whether to send the heavy maintenance of its wide-body jets overseas, a move which would result in the loss of at least 2500 jobs.
Either way, the decision is set to inflame the tempers of unions and maintenance workers, given Qantas has already warned it will still have to slash jobs and costs even if its long-haul heavy maintenance operations remain in Australia.
China is seen as the most likely foreign base for Qantas maintenance, given the trend for international airlines such as United Airways, Lufthansa, Cathay Pacific and British Airways to send work there.
Qantas has already dropped several hints it is seriously considering China. Last month the airline's executive general manager, John Borghetti, noted how maintenance costs were 20 per cent lower there.
The only issue is the lack of spare maintenance capacity in China, thanks to the growing rush of airlines getting work done.
There has been speculation Qantas could form a maintenance joint venture with Boeing in China.
Boeing already has a joint venture with Cathay Pacific and Japan Airlines at the Taikoo Aircraft Engineering Co maintenance facility in the city of Xiamen.
With Boeing planning to build a new maintenance, repair and overhaul facility in Shanghai in partnership with Shanghai Airlines, Qantas could be presented with another location to service its 30 Boeing 747s.
Another contender includes Singapore Technologies Aerospace, which already has a relationship with Qantas.
Apart from servicing Qantas 767s in the past, ST Aero has a maintenance agreement with Qantas's part-owned Singapore airline, Jetstar Asia.
Asked if ST had held talks with Qantas, an ST spokeswoman said: "Qantas is a customer. As of all customers, we are always in discussions with them."
A major deal between Qantas and ST Aero could even result in some Qantas jets being serviced in the US, given ST has a major facility in Mobile, Alabama.
The decision is set to inflame the Australian Manufacturing Workers Union and Australian Workers Union, which are still in enterprise bargaining talks with Qantas.
The airline wants to cut maintenance workers' overtime pay, a move unions say will slash their take-home pay by 30 per cent.
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hi guys on the business news today on the tv Dixson has said that there would be job losses and the profits were not as good as thry expected.
maybe someone should tell him not to expect profit with all the meat cut off the bone...... if you do not have the infurstructure to support the operation it is not going to runing correctly and smoothly.
maybe someone should tell him not to expect profit with all the meat cut off the bone...... if you do not have the infurstructure to support the operation it is not going to runing correctly and smoothly.
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Qantas 1st-Half Falls 9.6% on Fuel Spending, Job Cuts (Update2)
Feb. 16 (Bloomberg) -- Qantas Airways Ltd.,
Australia's biggest airline, said first-half profit fell 9.6 percent as fuel costs rose to a record and it made redundancy payouts to workers.
Net income fell to A$352.6 million ($261 million) in the six months ended Dec. 31, from A$390 million a year ago, Sydney-based Qantas said in a statement today.
The carrier was expected to post profit of A$357 million, according to the median forecast of six analysts surveyed by Bloomberg News.
Chief Executive Officer Geoff Dixon has pledged to cut costs by A$3 billion by fiscal 2008 to counter rising fuel expenses. To reach the target, low-cost domestic carrier Jetstar will start to fly international routes, and he's considering moving maintenance jobs overseas, where labor is cheaper.
``All our business transformation initiatives are now focused on enabling Qantas to meet its future expenditure commitments and profit projections with a fuel cost above $60 a barrel,'' Dixon, 66, said in the statement.
The company today reaffirmed that 2006 profit won't match last year's. The stock fell 5 cents, or 1.2 percent, to A$4 at 10:14 a.m. in Sydney.
Qantas shares had added 10 percent in the past 12 months before today, compared with a 2.2 percent decline by the 10- member Bloomberg Asia Pacific Airlines Index and a 7.2 percent increase in the 30-member Bloomberg World Airlines Index.
Qantas's fuel bill, the airline's second-biggest expense after labor, rose 58 percent to A$1.3 billion. The carrier has said its fuel costs may rise A$900 million in fiscal 2006, ending three straight years of net income growth.
Jet Fuel
Dixon raised the fuel surcharge on fares for a fourth time during the half, boosting the levy on international flights by A$75.
Jet fuel traded at an average $72.76 a barrel in Singapore in the half, 35 percent more than a year earlier, according to oil-pricing service Platts. The price of jet fuel surged as much as 77 percent last year to a record $85.36 a barrel on Oct. 3. It closed at $73.19 yesterday, 14 percent below the record.
The world's airlines lost $6 billion in 2005, the International Air Transport Association said last month. Asian carriers earned about $1.5 billion last year compared with $10 billion in losses at U.S. airlines, IATA said.
Dixon last year cut 15 percent of the airline's management staff and is considering moving some of its 6,900 engineering and maintenance crew overseas. He eliminated commissions paid to travel agents for the sale of domestic tickets and reduced the payouts for international fares.
The airline said in December it would take a charge of as much as A$80 million for the restructuring costs. Today it said those costs were A$69.6 million.
Management Changes
Qantas today changed its management structure, dividing its full-service and discount carriers between two managers. John Borghetti, the company's executive general manager, will run all Qantas full-service flights and its Australian Airlines unit.
Alan Joyce, chief executive of domestic discount carrier Jetstar, will also manage Jetstar Asia and Jetstar's international services.
Dixon said in December that Jetstar would start flying international services by January 2007 and expand to a fleet of 60 planes in five years.
Qantas reported under international financial reporting standards for the first time today.
Feb. 16 (Bloomberg) -- Qantas Airways Ltd.,
Australia's biggest airline, said first-half profit fell 9.6 percent as fuel costs rose to a record and it made redundancy payouts to workers.
Net income fell to A$352.6 million ($261 million) in the six months ended Dec. 31, from A$390 million a year ago, Sydney-based Qantas said in a statement today.
The carrier was expected to post profit of A$357 million, according to the median forecast of six analysts surveyed by Bloomberg News.
Chief Executive Officer Geoff Dixon has pledged to cut costs by A$3 billion by fiscal 2008 to counter rising fuel expenses. To reach the target, low-cost domestic carrier Jetstar will start to fly international routes, and he's considering moving maintenance jobs overseas, where labor is cheaper.
``All our business transformation initiatives are now focused on enabling Qantas to meet its future expenditure commitments and profit projections with a fuel cost above $60 a barrel,'' Dixon, 66, said in the statement.
The company today reaffirmed that 2006 profit won't match last year's. The stock fell 5 cents, or 1.2 percent, to A$4 at 10:14 a.m. in Sydney.
Qantas shares had added 10 percent in the past 12 months before today, compared with a 2.2 percent decline by the 10- member Bloomberg Asia Pacific Airlines Index and a 7.2 percent increase in the 30-member Bloomberg World Airlines Index.
Qantas's fuel bill, the airline's second-biggest expense after labor, rose 58 percent to A$1.3 billion. The carrier has said its fuel costs may rise A$900 million in fiscal 2006, ending three straight years of net income growth.
Jet Fuel
Dixon raised the fuel surcharge on fares for a fourth time during the half, boosting the levy on international flights by A$75.
Jet fuel traded at an average $72.76 a barrel in Singapore in the half, 35 percent more than a year earlier, according to oil-pricing service Platts. The price of jet fuel surged as much as 77 percent last year to a record $85.36 a barrel on Oct. 3. It closed at $73.19 yesterday, 14 percent below the record.
The world's airlines lost $6 billion in 2005, the International Air Transport Association said last month. Asian carriers earned about $1.5 billion last year compared with $10 billion in losses at U.S. airlines, IATA said.
Dixon last year cut 15 percent of the airline's management staff and is considering moving some of its 6,900 engineering and maintenance crew overseas. He eliminated commissions paid to travel agents for the sale of domestic tickets and reduced the payouts for international fares.
The airline said in December it would take a charge of as much as A$80 million for the restructuring costs. Today it said those costs were A$69.6 million.
Management Changes
Qantas today changed its management structure, dividing its full-service and discount carriers between two managers. John Borghetti, the company's executive general manager, will run all Qantas full-service flights and its Australian Airlines unit.
Alan Joyce, chief executive of domestic discount carrier Jetstar, will also manage Jetstar Asia and Jetstar's international services.
Dixon said in December that Jetstar would start flying international services by January 2007 and expand to a fleet of 60 planes in five years.
Qantas reported under international financial reporting standards for the first time today.
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