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BHMvictim, you should be in parliament or a journalist. Pretty good spin with the photo of the wing of crashed AirChina 767 CA129.
Unfortunately for your purposes, it has nought to do with maintenance. The abbreviated facts follow:
The Boeing 767-200 took off at 0837 local time (0037 UTC). After nearly 2 hours in flight, it arrived near Gimhae airport in light rain and mist. At 1120 local time (0220UTC), CA129 received clearance to land at runway 36L from Gimhae tower, but the aircraft circled the runway again after a missed approach due to low visibility. After an attempt to circle-to-land on runway 18R (the same runway from the opposite direction), the crew concentrated too much on the weather and ATC communications while going below the Minimum Safety Altitude (MSA), and crashed into a hill at 1140 local time (0240UTC). The aircraft broke into parts and caught fire. 38 survived including the captain.
For your enlightenment, Gimhae is in South Korea. Cheers, HotDog.
Unfortunately for your purposes, it has nought to do with maintenance. The abbreviated facts follow:
The Boeing 767-200 took off at 0837 local time (0037 UTC). After nearly 2 hours in flight, it arrived near Gimhae airport in light rain and mist. At 1120 local time (0220UTC), CA129 received clearance to land at runway 36L from Gimhae tower, but the aircraft circled the runway again after a missed approach due to low visibility. After an attempt to circle-to-land on runway 18R (the same runway from the opposite direction), the crew concentrated too much on the weather and ATC communications while going below the Minimum Safety Altitude (MSA), and crashed into a hill at 1140 local time (0240UTC). The aircraft broke into parts and caught fire. 38 survived including the captain.
For your enlightenment, Gimhae is in South Korea. Cheers, HotDog.
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Hotdog, you just can't help yourself, can you?
Did I indicate that this accident was due to maintenance error?
Please refer to my post in the following thread....(of which you have stuck your nose into also.. NOTE that my post was in support of those concerened, rather than condemnation, as is always the case with your posts).
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=211389
The picture was posted in response to the general attitude of Qantas Management to outsource! outsource! outsource! It represents the likely results of the direction they wish to take the company.
Your appearance here to "correct" my perceived "error" does not surprise me. I am, however, impressed with your knowledge for airline disaster trivia!
We all need a hobby in retirement I suppose. Please stick to the trivia and stop deliberately poking your nose in to stir the $h!t.
Did I indicate that this accident was due to maintenance error?
Please refer to my post in the following thread....(of which you have stuck your nose into also.. NOTE that my post was in support of those concerened, rather than condemnation, as is always the case with your posts).
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=211389
The picture was posted in response to the general attitude of Qantas Management to outsource! outsource! outsource! It represents the likely results of the direction they wish to take the company.
Your appearance here to "correct" my perceived "error" does not surprise me. I am, however, impressed with your knowledge for airline disaster trivia!
We all need a hobby in retirement I suppose. Please stick to the trivia and stop deliberately poking your nose in to stir the $h!t.
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This is a good read; keep it up.
With enough sharp writing and expose's the journo's may sniff a story. If they print it, the public (sharemarket) may demand the scrapping of any plan to send work off-shore.
Good luck.
With enough sharp writing and expose's the journo's may sniff a story. If they print it, the public (sharemarket) may demand the scrapping of any plan to send work off-shore.
Good luck.
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Qantas to wield jobs axe
Geoff Easdown
17feb06
QANTAS flagged the likelihood of big job cuts yesterday and left little doubt its troubled international offshoot Australian Airlines has an uncertain future.
The national carrier says it will slash costs and seek to offset a 58 per cent rise in fuel prices that left a $37.8 million hole in the airline's first-half profit.
The engineering and maintenance divisions, as well as the Cairns-based Australian Airlines, have emerged as the most likely targets for job cuts in the months ahead.
Qantas yesterday declared an after-tax result for the six months to December 31 of $352.6 million, down from the $390.2 million earned during the same period in 2004.
The news disappointed the market with Qantas shares sliding 9¢ or 2 per cent to $3.96 as heavier than usual volume of more than 25 million shares changed hands.
"All our business transformation initiatives are now focused on enabling Qantas to meet its future expenditure commitments and profit projections with a fuel cost above $US60 a barrel," managing director Geoff Dixon said.
"As we make these changes, job losses across various areas of the business will be inevitable," he added, noting that while jobs would be lost, new positions would be created in restructured divisions of the airline.
Qantas declared an interim dividend of 11¢, up from 10¢ last year, which will be paid on April 5 to shareholders on the books by March 8.
Yesterday's profit result was accompanied by news of a radical restructure of how Qantas is run, which will also include cuts in senior management.
Under the changes, the airline will be run by a much smaller team with just seven senior executive general managers reporting to Mr Dixon.
The company shed 600 non-management jobs in the six months, very few of which were forced redundancies.
At the post-results press conference, Mr Dixon would not be drawn on whether aircraft maintenance and repair operations would stay in Australia, saying only that airline maintenance operations around the world had changed dramatically.
"Despite all the good work our people have done, we are now 15 to 20 per cent below world's best practice because work is outsourced to China and South-East Asia," he said.
He said the Qantas board would decide the engineering issue sooner rather than later.
On the future of Australian Airlines, he replied: "In the airline industry, I don't think it is possible for me to say anything is assured."
Future routes were being planned for Qantas and Jetstar and "everything was up for grabs", he said.
Pressed on whether Australian Airlines would be axed or simply scaled back, Mr Dixon replied: "We have no immediate plans to axe Australian Airlines."
But going forward the emphasis would be on Qantas and Jetstar as the company's two key brands, he said. Qantas would operate in the premium high-yielding area and Jetstar as a value-based airline operating within Australia and internationally.
Mr Dixon said Jetstar International's launch date would be brought forward to November this year and the first tickets were due to go on sale in May.
The airline's first-half profit included of a one-off restructuring charge of $69.9 million.
Group revenue rose 8.5 per cent to $6.8 billion.
Geoff Easdown
17feb06
QANTAS flagged the likelihood of big job cuts yesterday and left little doubt its troubled international offshoot Australian Airlines has an uncertain future.
The national carrier says it will slash costs and seek to offset a 58 per cent rise in fuel prices that left a $37.8 million hole in the airline's first-half profit.
The engineering and maintenance divisions, as well as the Cairns-based Australian Airlines, have emerged as the most likely targets for job cuts in the months ahead.
Qantas yesterday declared an after-tax result for the six months to December 31 of $352.6 million, down from the $390.2 million earned during the same period in 2004.
The news disappointed the market with Qantas shares sliding 9¢ or 2 per cent to $3.96 as heavier than usual volume of more than 25 million shares changed hands.
"All our business transformation initiatives are now focused on enabling Qantas to meet its future expenditure commitments and profit projections with a fuel cost above $US60 a barrel," managing director Geoff Dixon said.
"As we make these changes, job losses across various areas of the business will be inevitable," he added, noting that while jobs would be lost, new positions would be created in restructured divisions of the airline.
Qantas declared an interim dividend of 11¢, up from 10¢ last year, which will be paid on April 5 to shareholders on the books by March 8.
Yesterday's profit result was accompanied by news of a radical restructure of how Qantas is run, which will also include cuts in senior management.
Under the changes, the airline will be run by a much smaller team with just seven senior executive general managers reporting to Mr Dixon.
The company shed 600 non-management jobs in the six months, very few of which were forced redundancies.
At the post-results press conference, Mr Dixon would not be drawn on whether aircraft maintenance and repair operations would stay in Australia, saying only that airline maintenance operations around the world had changed dramatically.
"Despite all the good work our people have done, we are now 15 to 20 per cent below world's best practice because work is outsourced to China and South-East Asia," he said.
He said the Qantas board would decide the engineering issue sooner rather than later.
On the future of Australian Airlines, he replied: "In the airline industry, I don't think it is possible for me to say anything is assured."
Future routes were being planned for Qantas and Jetstar and "everything was up for grabs", he said.
Pressed on whether Australian Airlines would be axed or simply scaled back, Mr Dixon replied: "We have no immediate plans to axe Australian Airlines."
But going forward the emphasis would be on Qantas and Jetstar as the company's two key brands, he said. Qantas would operate in the premium high-yielding area and Jetstar as a value-based airline operating within Australia and internationally.
Mr Dixon said Jetstar International's launch date would be brought forward to November this year and the first tickets were due to go on sale in May.
The airline's first-half profit included of a one-off restructuring charge of $69.9 million.
Group revenue rose 8.5 per cent to $6.8 billion.
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quote from darth dixon "
At the post-results press conference, Mr Dixon would not be drawn on whether aircraft maintenance and repair operations would stay in Australia, saying only that airline maintenance operations around the world had changed dramatically.
"Despite all the good work our people have done, we are now 15 to 20 per cent below world's best practice because work is outsourced to China and South-East Asia," he said.
It's good to see that he thinks that our work is 20% below worlds best practice.
It will be good that when they go to china our a/c will get maintained better.
Thanks Geoff for maintaining the integrity of the fleet.
ps Hot Dog , haven't you got something better to do?
At the post-results press conference, Mr Dixon would not be drawn on whether aircraft maintenance and repair operations would stay in Australia, saying only that airline maintenance operations around the world had changed dramatically.
"Despite all the good work our people have done, we are now 15 to 20 per cent below world's best practice because work is outsourced to China and South-East Asia," he said.
It's good to see that he thinks that our work is 20% below worlds best practice.
It will be good that when they go to china our a/c will get maintained better.
Thanks Geoff for maintaining the integrity of the fleet.
ps Hot Dog , haven't you got something better to do?
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the lastest that i have heard
heavy maintenance syd will be cut free made to be set up like a MRO still be associated with Qantas ie: like Jet* they will need to compete with all other MRO's this is why for the last year the maintenance and standards group have been practicing doing quotes on different companies like SAI Atlas and various others. lets hope the boys can get it right.
The questions need to be asked will this mean that all guys as part of H/M be given the C/R or V/R or will they be given the choice of here sign here if you want a job or there is no job to try and cut those overheads. in this case there would be no V/R orC/R but in the mix of all this you have the new I/R reforms but does this effect a company over the size of 100 people.
if not sand by for an amendment in the bill to increase the number (it easy to do an amendment to a bill at fed level)
does this also mean that if H/M goes it alone then no more staff travel ?
heavy maintenance syd will be cut free made to be set up like a MRO still be associated with Qantas ie: like Jet* they will need to compete with all other MRO's this is why for the last year the maintenance and standards group have been practicing doing quotes on different companies like SAI Atlas and various others. lets hope the boys can get it right.
The questions need to be asked will this mean that all guys as part of H/M be given the C/R or V/R or will they be given the choice of here sign here if you want a job or there is no job to try and cut those overheads. in this case there would be no V/R orC/R but in the mix of all this you have the new I/R reforms but does this effect a company over the size of 100 people.
if not sand by for an amendment in the bill to increase the number (it easy to do an amendment to a bill at fed level)
does this also mean that if H/M goes it alone then no more staff travel ?
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wingsurfer What's the bet that your choice will be VR/CR & no job with the new MRO or a job but you lose ALL of your package? This has been done before...
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Originally Posted by planemad2
"Despite all the good work our people have done, we are now 15 to 20 per cent below world's best practice because work is outsourced to China and South-East Asia," he said.
Dicko, you insult us time and time again.
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So "Best Practice" means cheap??????? It has nothing to do with the quality of work???
Dicko, you insult us time and time again.
Dicko, you insult us time and time again.
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. Look at the strategic overview. Follow the bean counters, they have a perfect view of bottom lines. Trouble is if you took their preferred option you would do no heavy maintenace in Oz. You would then have a lot of Aussie talent head off to where they could get employment....well they would hardly take up carpentry, would they? Then if the Taiwan Straits situation ever went pear shaped what then? Long flight over the Pacific? We have a strategic asset in our expertise in this country and we should realise it. Saving a few bucks on maintenance by outsourcing to China could come back to bite the proponents heavily in the bum, and do even worse things to the bottom line. No I don't work for the rat or belong to a Union, Closest I came to working for Qantas was 35 years ago and now I fly in the back.
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Buster H
Im a great believer of having as many choices as possible and having at lest 8 different plans, after the first time i was made redundant i decidered that this was not going to happen i would always do want i had to do as long as it worked in with the masses and as long as there was something in it for,
don't get me wrong here i and a true unionist and support what they do they earnd my supoort when they went into bat for me dueing the last VR i took.
this time around i Believe that we need to be smarter dixson has put the AME and workshop in a catch 22 position. and giving a deadline so to speak 31 March at this stage we will be lossing all award clauses bar 5 (i believe this would include the redunancy agreement and we will only 8 weeks leave given even if you have been the 30 year).
over the year i have found the Qantas looks at branding and profits, because the hands are being tied by little Jonny and his great IR reforms with the possiblity of $6000 dollar fines for even working to rule(go figure damned if you do and damned if you don't), so if any one out there know any of the corpate clients out there that belong to QF then maybe it might be time to start spearding the news about the truth obut the outsource of work and the possible outcoomes of it.
trust me guys it is not looking good us ames are being used as a test case and what happens to us will happen to every one
one more point to consider here if any industal action is to take place then stiking, stop work working or to rule this all needs 2 weeks notice if you don't then BANG ............... $6000 personnel fine and loss of the pay plus the company then can plan for it.
A lttle more about striking if you do it needs to go through 5 stages and the last one is the best if there is a 3rd party that believes that it's going to effect then they can compain about this, then it is deemed illegal and it is not allowed.
Im a great believer of having as many choices as possible and having at lest 8 different plans, after the first time i was made redundant i decidered that this was not going to happen i would always do want i had to do as long as it worked in with the masses and as long as there was something in it for,
don't get me wrong here i and a true unionist and support what they do they earnd my supoort when they went into bat for me dueing the last VR i took.
this time around i Believe that we need to be smarter dixson has put the AME and workshop in a catch 22 position. and giving a deadline so to speak 31 March at this stage we will be lossing all award clauses bar 5 (i believe this would include the redunancy agreement and we will only 8 weeks leave given even if you have been the 30 year).
over the year i have found the Qantas looks at branding and profits, because the hands are being tied by little Jonny and his great IR reforms with the possiblity of $6000 dollar fines for even working to rule(go figure damned if you do and damned if you don't), so if any one out there know any of the corpate clients out there that belong to QF then maybe it might be time to start spearding the news about the truth obut the outsource of work and the possible outcoomes of it.
trust me guys it is not looking good us ames are being used as a test case and what happens to us will happen to every one
one more point to consider here if any industal action is to take place then stiking, stop work working or to rule this all needs 2 weeks notice if you don't then BANG ............... $6000 personnel fine and loss of the pay plus the company then can plan for it.
A lttle more about striking if you do it needs to go through 5 stages and the last one is the best if there is a 3rd party that believes that it's going to effect then they can compain about this, then it is deemed illegal and it is not allowed.
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do you really think things will be different under Labour??? at least under Liberal my business was booming!(before i sold it) and only paying 7% interest rates as compared to 17%, i can afford to go flying.
I remember the LABOUR party Using the Millitary to bust the pilots union...
now back to the topic...
I remember the LABOUR party Using the Millitary to bust the pilots union...
now back to the topic...
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Nope not a new thread, just a related topic.
It's hard enough having to fight a profit mad bastard like Dixon without having howard changing the rules in his favour.
Interest rates arent related.But the changes to IR Laws are. Howard has given Dixon,Bussel,Ratclffe,Cox and Co a new platform to attack our conditions in the name of Competition. We in H/M are first in the firing line for testing the new laws.
Sorry HotDog..was that the Reverend or the NeverEnd
It's hard enough having to fight a profit mad bastard like Dixon without having howard changing the rules in his favour.
Interest rates arent related.But the changes to IR Laws are. Howard has given Dixon,Bussel,Ratclffe,Cox and Co a new platform to attack our conditions in the name of Competition. We in H/M are first in the firing line for testing the new laws.
Sorry HotDog..was that the Reverend or the NeverEnd