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And for what reason did you have to delay an aircraft for a week after it had been overhauled Hot Dog?
You obviously had suspicions aboutthe quality. Did you find any thing that required attention.
You obviously had suspicions aboutthe quality. Did you find any thing that required attention.
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Fellas, I admire your tenacity.
Keep at this bloke, Hot Dog.
Something about him doesn't sound right.
Keep at this bloke, Hot Dog.
Something about him doesn't sound right.
Sounds "right" to me. I just don't think he understands how in depth Heavy Maintenance can be.
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i can see i stired up a hornets nest, so lets add more fuel to the fire.
recently when B767 were out-sourced the dock planners that Qantas had sent over to a Asian MRO found the the trade people signing off the card were signing for work carried when it had not been ie: ops and functional checks of the various systems to cut down on the turn around times. it was only picked up after they had read the paper work as it came through to be filed.
what if the planners had miss in these items.
There has also been a time, where a QF LAME was not happy with the workmanship, he suspect that things were not right, so he climbed inside the fuel tanks and found swarf all around the inside of the fuel tank after repairs (makes you wonder if there was a yes man there if he would have accepted the work).
Talking of top quailty MRO workmanship i was once invovled in a landing gear change on a B767 at QF the landing gear had come back from a MRO, and on functional checks we found that the Hyd lines had been crossed and we were getting the wrong inputs, other times there have been overhauled landing gears that have come back signed and the hyd oil has been leaking past the gland nuts syd HM had to split the Landing gear to fix this problem.
I have many more tales of problems arising from outsourced work and MRO's, but i do not want to scare people that fly on the QF aircraft. i do have faith in what we do and the quailty of the work, i guess that is why they maybe more expensive at QF engineering.
one question would you take a Audi, BMW, Rolls Royce to a gargage that does things by halfs.
before you ask i have work oversea in 3rd world countries i have seen the workmanship (middle east, pacific and asia) i would be worried.
recently when B767 were out-sourced the dock planners that Qantas had sent over to a Asian MRO found the the trade people signing off the card were signing for work carried when it had not been ie: ops and functional checks of the various systems to cut down on the turn around times. it was only picked up after they had read the paper work as it came through to be filed.
what if the planners had miss in these items.
There has also been a time, where a QF LAME was not happy with the workmanship, he suspect that things were not right, so he climbed inside the fuel tanks and found swarf all around the inside of the fuel tank after repairs (makes you wonder if there was a yes man there if he would have accepted the work).
Talking of top quailty MRO workmanship i was once invovled in a landing gear change on a B767 at QF the landing gear had come back from a MRO, and on functional checks we found that the Hyd lines had been crossed and we were getting the wrong inputs, other times there have been overhauled landing gears that have come back signed and the hyd oil has been leaking past the gland nuts syd HM had to split the Landing gear to fix this problem.
I have many more tales of problems arising from outsourced work and MRO's, but i do not want to scare people that fly on the QF aircraft. i do have faith in what we do and the quailty of the work, i guess that is why they maybe more expensive at QF engineering.
one question would you take a Audi, BMW, Rolls Royce to a gargage that does things by halfs.
before you ask i have work oversea in 3rd world countries i have seen the workmanship (middle east, pacific and asia) i would be worried.
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.....i have work oversea in 3rd world countries i have seen the workmanship (middle east, pacific and asia) i would be worried.
They have eyes. They have seen what goes on. They tell others what they have seen. This, Hotdog, is where our information comes from. People who have witnessed this shoddy workmanship first hand.
Probably, from what I have heard, the biggest cost savings that these MROs make, is through a complete lack of OH&S. Spray painting without respirators, paint stripping in shorts and T shirts without shoes, spraying Dinitrol above their heads without respirators or even eyewear. Balancing one foot on an old clapped out ladder to do up a screw. Running around the cabin with no false floorboards. The kind of things that we would be crucified for, (and rightfully so), at Qantas. These are just blatantly stupid acts and they warrant a small amount of time, money and training/education spent to rectify.
Working safely makes us expensive? Not really. It's the bureaucratic garbage that goes with it. It's the obsession to make a mountain out of a molehill. Taking 40 guys off the shop floor for up to 2 hours every friday morning to listen to stories by phone link up of people who put their back out sneezing as they pick up their toolbox. I was recently told of a team leader who spend 3 quaters of his shift completing paperwork and chasing up an incident where some idiot disconnected an air line on a docking without care and grazed his hand in the process. 3/4 of a shift for a grazed hand. Big on the little things...little on the big things.
TIME WASTING!!!!
WHY???
So that middle managers can collect their bonuses for reducing Lost time Injuries. This is making us less competitive. Less competitive makes the Kwan-tang maintenance hangar look more attractive.
It is common practice at many MRO's to cut corners and sign off inspection cards without even removing panels. And yes these "inspections" often happen during the night when the customers QA has gone home.
I know of an Airline who bought a 747 off another Airline and took it to an Asian MRO for a D Check and conversion to it's new colors. It was a big check. Scheduled 90 days. A few days from delivery a QA guy looked at some panels that were supposed to have been inspected behind. They didn't look like they had been removed. He checked and the paperwork had been signed off. He got them to remove the panels and found it was full of corrosion behind them.
The result - the 90 day check ended up going out 90 days late! .............
The LAMES at these places are not always bad at their job. They are just put under so much pressure from management to get aircraft out on time no matter what. Even "western" LAMES that do contract work for these places will sign off jobs after being told it had been done but without seeing it.
They are usually paid enough money to not question it. If they refuse to sign then someone else will happily take the money.
I know of an Airline who bought a 747 off another Airline and took it to an Asian MRO for a D Check and conversion to it's new colors. It was a big check. Scheduled 90 days. A few days from delivery a QA guy looked at some panels that were supposed to have been inspected behind. They didn't look like they had been removed. He checked and the paperwork had been signed off. He got them to remove the panels and found it was full of corrosion behind them.
The result - the 90 day check ended up going out 90 days late! .............
The LAMES at these places are not always bad at their job. They are just put under so much pressure from management to get aircraft out on time no matter what. Even "western" LAMES that do contract work for these places will sign off jobs after being told it had been done but without seeing it.
They are usually paid enough money to not question it. If they refuse to sign then someone else will happily take the money.
What about the fact that QANTAS workers have to undergo security testing and police checks to get their ASIC cards etc etc before they can even get on the base....
Yet apparently when the 767's go to Singapore - busloads of Prisoners are brought in to work cleaning the Aircraft. ?
I hear they are refugees who have to work for very small "pay" until there is enough money for their Airfare home - then they get deported.
Yet apparently when the 767's go to Singapore - busloads of Prisoners are brought in to work cleaning the Aircraft. ?
I hear they are refugees who have to work for very small "pay" until there is enough money for their Airfare home - then they get deported.
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I hear they are refugees who have to work for very small "pay" until there is enough money for their Airfare home - then they get deported.
Dixon just about treats us as criminals now.... he just wants us to be paid like them too.
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Nice to chat about the future of Heavy Maint. The stories just demostrate the value of keeping the work onshore.
Our local ALAEA Exec member has informed us that the Bexley mob are seeking support from Line Maint engineers should Syd HM get outsourced. We are getting asked "would you be prepared to walk out if Qantas send 3000 HM jobs overseas?" So far it looks like 100% of our guys are prepared to walk.
Our local ALAEA Exec member has informed us that the Bexley mob are seeking support from Line Maint engineers should Syd HM get outsourced. We are getting asked "would you be prepared to walk out if Qantas send 3000 HM jobs overseas?" So far it looks like 100% of our guys are prepared to walk.
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That's excellent! How long would they walk for?
Long enough to make it count I hope.
It would also be nice if some of the ALAEA executive could let the guys in Heavy Maintenance know what they are doing.
Long enough to make it count I hope.
It would also be nice if some of the ALAEA executive could let the guys in Heavy Maintenance know what they are doing.
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Several weeks pay seems a small price to pay considering 3000 staff are staring down the barrel of losing their pay FOREVER.
We also hear that the ALAEA Fed Sec is running around Sydney telling the guys not to support HM. He claims it will end in another pilots dispute and we will all lose our jobs. Firstly I don't know how that could happen unless we all resign and secondly, we also hear that the current Fed Sec is soon to be voted off the executive anyway.
We also hear that the ALAEA Fed Sec is running around Sydney telling the guys not to support HM. He claims it will end in another pilots dispute and we will all lose our jobs. Firstly I don't know how that could happen unless we all resign and secondly, we also hear that the current Fed Sec is soon to be voted off the executive anyway.
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First Quote from Fordran
“Our local ALAEA Exec member has informed us that the Bexley mob are seeking support from Line Maint engineers should Syd HM get outsourced. We are getting asked "would you be prepared to walk out if Qantas send 3000 HM jobs overseas?" So far it looks like 100% of our guys are prepared to walk.”
Second Quote from Fodran“We also hear that the ALAEA Fed Sec is running around Sydney telling the guys not to support HM.”
So what is it they want our support or they don’t want our support?
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Good question Socks.
Apparently the more proactive members of our exec are fully supportive of a walkout in support of outsourcing overseas. What we are hearing is that the Fed Sec is not. Its the same old story of scaring the members out of taking a step forward. Mind you the Fed Sec is a Qantas Supervisor from SIT. He was made up as a Supervisor one month after getting elected to his Ass Fed Sec position several years ago. He wasn't even a Senior Lame at the time and ever since has been talking the members out of supporting any worthy cause such as EBA battles and the like. Fortunately there are a number of "good guys" on the executive pushing the issue and won't ignore the fact that 3000 jobs are at stake.
Apparently the more proactive members of our exec are fully supportive of a walkout in support of outsourcing overseas. What we are hearing is that the Fed Sec is not. Its the same old story of scaring the members out of taking a step forward. Mind you the Fed Sec is a Qantas Supervisor from SIT. He was made up as a Supervisor one month after getting elected to his Ass Fed Sec position several years ago. He wasn't even a Senior Lame at the time and ever since has been talking the members out of supporting any worthy cause such as EBA battles and the like. Fortunately there are a number of "good guys" on the executive pushing the issue and won't ignore the fact that 3000 jobs are at stake.
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We (those from heavy Maintenance) want your support.
The fedsec would like nothing better than to see Heavy Maint. go under.
He is still smarting from the caning he copped over the eba 7 sell off.
How he became fed sec after that debacle is a poor endictment of the federal executive as a whole.
The other thing is that there is not enough focus on the strong protecting the not so strong within this union.
The whole idea of unionism is that a united front is strength, and that is what is required in these times of the Howard government and geoff dixon's attacks on unions.
The fedsec would like nothing better than to see Heavy Maint. go under.
He is still smarting from the caning he copped over the eba 7 sell off.
How he became fed sec after that debacle is a poor endictment of the federal executive as a whole.
The other thing is that there is not enough focus on the strong protecting the not so strong within this union.
The whole idea of unionism is that a united front is strength, and that is what is required in these times of the Howard government and geoff dixon's attacks on unions.
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Thanks for the clarification.
So if our union was to loose a large number of its members after a massive culling by the company , what strength would we have left?
I have long witnessed the tactic used by management of divide and conquer but this is another twist, illiminate and conquer.
So if our union was to loose a large number of its members after a massive culling by the company , what strength would we have left?
I have long witnessed the tactic used by management of divide and conquer but this is another twist, illiminate and conquer.
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"The fedsec would like nothing better than to see Heavy Maint. go under.
He is still smarting from the caning he copped over the eba 7 sell off.
How he became fed sec after that debacle is a poor endictment of the federal executive as a whole."
It looks like you came down in the last shower the Federal secratery is a fine man who earned his right to acheive the title he owns. In case you doesnt understand what a democricy is heres how it works. You stand for the position. The members vote and if they want you get elected. he got elected by the members cause hes the best man for the job. Simple. If he reckons we shouldnt take action then I will be following his lead as a have in the past and always will. Just think how much damage would happen if you walked off the job not only to Qantas but the good reputation the alaea has with them and in the union movement. Its because of people like *** that you still have a job so just accept that some change is necesary for us all to survive.
He is still smarting from the caning he copped over the eba 7 sell off.
How he became fed sec after that debacle is a poor endictment of the federal executive as a whole."
It looks like you came down in the last shower the Federal secratery is a fine man who earned his right to acheive the title he owns. In case you doesnt understand what a democricy is heres how it works. You stand for the position. The members vote and if they want you get elected. he got elected by the members cause hes the best man for the job. Simple. If he reckons we shouldnt take action then I will be following his lead as a have in the past and always will. Just think how much damage would happen if you walked off the job not only to Qantas but the good reputation the alaea has with them and in the union movement. Its because of people like *** that you still have a job so just accept that some change is necesary for us all to survive.