Qantas passes baton to Jetstar
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the sooner you realise that the better for the whole industry.
Can you explain how this will be?
If the company gets more A330's then you are correct, but if you end up flying the existing ones I find it hard to see how anyone can say the jobs have not been taken.
All I see is pay and conditions going down the tubes and you blokes forever trying to justify it.
Can you explain how this will be?
If the company gets more A330's then you are correct, but if you end up flying the existing ones I find it hard to see how anyone can say the jobs have not been taken.
All I see is pay and conditions going down the tubes and you blokes forever trying to justify it.
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Simple answer.one harmonious group of pilots.
You cant be harmonious with a group that treats you with contempt and will stick the boot in at any opportunity. nuff said.
It shouldn't matter who we get jets from (if we do get them).
They may not come from Qantas but if they do it is your management giving them (call them scabs if it makes you happy).
and finally the old pay issue, not all of us where happy with the EBA as per the results(with reference to the initial flying of the bus for 717 rates, a completely different isssue, had no choice not even going to argue that with anyone because if you cant see that I am wasting my time).
Bear in mind we are not the lowest paid jet drivers in the qantas group but you don't see us verbally attacking them, why because it is counter productive. we have our own price pressures.
You cant be harmonious with a group that treats you with contempt and will stick the boot in at any opportunity. nuff said.
It shouldn't matter who we get jets from (if we do get them).
They may not come from Qantas but if they do it is your management giving them (call them scabs if it makes you happy).
and finally the old pay issue, not all of us where happy with the EBA as per the results(with reference to the initial flying of the bus for 717 rates, a completely different isssue, had no choice not even going to argue that with anyone because if you cant see that I am wasting my time).
Bear in mind we are not the lowest paid jet drivers in the qantas group but you don't see us verbally attacking them, why because it is counter productive. we have our own price pressures.
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The Jetstar management then threaten the Jetstar pilots, that if they don't support the EBA, then they won't get the Tasman flying, hence displacing Jetconnect pilots. You guys at Jetstar may not be the lowest paid in the Qantas group, but you sure as hell know how to set the moral benchmarks.
Jetstar is Dixons lap dog, it curls up on his leg, panders to his masters every whim and then goes and ****s on everyone and everything else.
What goes around comes around though, just look at the poor morale and high resignations in the cabin crew ranks at Jetstar, pretty soon the pilots will be in the same boat, if it already hasn't started to happen.
Jetstar is Dixons lap dog, it curls up on his leg, panders to his masters every whim and then goes and ****s on everyone and everything else.
What goes around comes around though, just look at the poor morale and high resignations in the cabin crew ranks at Jetstar, pretty soon the pilots will be in the same boat, if it already hasn't started to happen.
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Pilots are always focused on themselves, and for whatever reason, tend to shut out the factors that build a business called an airline.
The consumer/passenger who pays your wages (eg next door neighbour) demands that they pay less; Yield recently attempted to move the fares up $10 dollars, yet immediately the market responded and the forward booking profile dropped - just a ten dollar rise!! You cannot make money nor survive by flying an empty airplane until the opposition runs out of money - just doesn't work. We all want to drive shiny new planes - they have to be paid somehow.
I think that the answer is to champion a campaign convincing "joe public" the real cost of flying, and secondly I notice that the aircraft and engine manufactures are still not assisting the industry by offering a fair and reasonable deal for all.
The pilot group, in fact the entire airline industry, needs to work out a solution to resolve these issues and the rest will fall into place.
The consumer/passenger who pays your wages (eg next door neighbour) demands that they pay less; Yield recently attempted to move the fares up $10 dollars, yet immediately the market responded and the forward booking profile dropped - just a ten dollar rise!! You cannot make money nor survive by flying an empty airplane until the opposition runs out of money - just doesn't work. We all want to drive shiny new planes - they have to be paid somehow.
I think that the answer is to champion a campaign convincing "joe public" the real cost of flying, and secondly I notice that the aircraft and engine manufactures are still not assisting the industry by offering a fair and reasonable deal for all.
The pilot group, in fact the entire airline industry, needs to work out a solution to resolve these issues and the rest will fall into place.
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The consumer/passenger who pays your wages (eg next door neighbour) demands that they pay less
Remind me again how much Dixon and the Dame receive in salaries and bonuses, and then add in all those other upper level exec salaries who contribute diddly squat to the day-to-day operation.
That is where the real fat that needs to be trimmed lies.
Remind me again how much Dixon and the Dame receive in salaries and bonuses, and then add in all those other upper level exec salaries who contribute diddly squat to the day-to-day operation.
That is where the real fat that needs to be trimmed lies.
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There's a common thread between all the insult chuckers...
There are so few aviation companies to aspire to and there's a relatively large market of pilots untrained in any other skills who are busting their butts to get some type of return on a very large investment. Those who are lucky enough to have the good airline jobs don't want to slide backwards and those who don't yet have that airline job want to climb up. If the differential wasn't so great between what the non-airline pilot has now and where he/she wants to go, the motivation wouldn't be so strong. Airline management are trying to pull the top rungs down. It's part of their jobs. Pilots, on the other hand, should be working to pull the lower rungs up instead of wasting time chucking insults at one another.
There are so few aviation companies to aspire to and there's a relatively large market of pilots untrained in any other skills who are busting their butts to get some type of return on a very large investment. Those who are lucky enough to have the good airline jobs don't want to slide backwards and those who don't yet have that airline job want to climb up. If the differential wasn't so great between what the non-airline pilot has now and where he/she wants to go, the motivation wouldn't be so strong. Airline management are trying to pull the top rungs down. It's part of their jobs. Pilots, on the other hand, should be working to pull the lower rungs up instead of wasting time chucking insults at one another.
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What many of the mainline guys have failed to grasp is that their jobs are already gone. They just dont know it yet.
It has been said many times before that if Q are going to compete with Emirates/Singapore/Etihad/any number of start up indian airlines that may be successful, then they have to lower their cost base.
This is not just pilots, but across the board. Maintenance, F/A's, ground staff, aircraft leasing costs,fuel you name it.
Pilots are just part of the equation, but still an important part. You guys can stick your head in the sand and pretend that it is other pilots screwing you, but it is business, it is the industry, globalisation, shareholders, economy not your fellow pilots.
Wake up and smell the coffee. You cannot expect other pilots to refuse jobs in the futile attempt to preserve your conditions.
I would suggest that if you managed to protect yourselves through say, industrial action or similar, then the end result would be that Dixon or his successor will eventually shut Q mainline down, handing over the routes to the established J*, and you will all be out of jobs. Once that is accomplished, J* will be rebranded Qantas, you guys will be out of work, except for the "scabs" that have taken positions with J* (and there will be many), and the corporation will continue.
You wont beat this utill a genuine shortage of pilots appears. It is no different to the stock market or the property market. Supply and demand. If there are more pilots than jobs, the conditions will deteriorate and also the opposite will be true.
The problem then will be that airlines will be cutting ticket prices to maintain market share, thus losing money, and only the ones with deep pockets will survive. Will this be Qantas? When stacked up against Singapore/Emirates etc. I dont know. Remembering that Qantas doesn't just have to be profitable, but it has to provide a reasonable return to its shareholders.
What i can tell you is that your job is not secure, despite your wishing it was. And there are far greater forces at play here than just some snot nosed G/A pilot wanting your job. The sheltered workshop of Australian aviation is slowly moving on to the global stage and will go the same way as all deregulated countries.
Ask anyone who has worked in Europe or the US, most have worked for at least one airline that has gone bankrupt. Ask anyone at Delta or United how secure their job is. Ask the guys at Ryanair about your conditions. They earn as much as most Q guys, but they work a hell of a lot harder for it. If you want to maintain your salaries then you can expect to work for them. What you guys do now does not qualify as work when compared to many of your competitors. You may not like that, but that is the way it is.
How many of you do 9 hour sectors, back of the clock, 2 pilot then have a 24 hour rest and come back? Or do 8 day trips with 7-8 hour sectors, consecutive 24 hour rests, two pilots, no rest and arriving home at 0530 local time. I do, and so do most guys flying for Qantas competitors. So that is my benchmark.
All this crap that gets put on here complaining about GD and Co's salary and bonuses just highlights how uneducated you guys are about how a corporation runs. Ask the call centre employee who lost his job to someone in india. It is happening all around you, and you guys are in the firing line. GD has been working toward this for years, and you aren't going to stop it by bleating on Pprune.
Rant over.
Having said that, I do wish you guys all the best. I would love to be getting paid as much as you do for doing as little as you do. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out your flying club days are drawing to an end.
It has been said many times before that if Q are going to compete with Emirates/Singapore/Etihad/any number of start up indian airlines that may be successful, then they have to lower their cost base.
This is not just pilots, but across the board. Maintenance, F/A's, ground staff, aircraft leasing costs,fuel you name it.
Pilots are just part of the equation, but still an important part. You guys can stick your head in the sand and pretend that it is other pilots screwing you, but it is business, it is the industry, globalisation, shareholders, economy not your fellow pilots.
Wake up and smell the coffee. You cannot expect other pilots to refuse jobs in the futile attempt to preserve your conditions.
I would suggest that if you managed to protect yourselves through say, industrial action or similar, then the end result would be that Dixon or his successor will eventually shut Q mainline down, handing over the routes to the established J*, and you will all be out of jobs. Once that is accomplished, J* will be rebranded Qantas, you guys will be out of work, except for the "scabs" that have taken positions with J* (and there will be many), and the corporation will continue.
You wont beat this utill a genuine shortage of pilots appears. It is no different to the stock market or the property market. Supply and demand. If there are more pilots than jobs, the conditions will deteriorate and also the opposite will be true.
The problem then will be that airlines will be cutting ticket prices to maintain market share, thus losing money, and only the ones with deep pockets will survive. Will this be Qantas? When stacked up against Singapore/Emirates etc. I dont know. Remembering that Qantas doesn't just have to be profitable, but it has to provide a reasonable return to its shareholders.
What i can tell you is that your job is not secure, despite your wishing it was. And there are far greater forces at play here than just some snot nosed G/A pilot wanting your job. The sheltered workshop of Australian aviation is slowly moving on to the global stage and will go the same way as all deregulated countries.
Ask anyone who has worked in Europe or the US, most have worked for at least one airline that has gone bankrupt. Ask anyone at Delta or United how secure their job is. Ask the guys at Ryanair about your conditions. They earn as much as most Q guys, but they work a hell of a lot harder for it. If you want to maintain your salaries then you can expect to work for them. What you guys do now does not qualify as work when compared to many of your competitors. You may not like that, but that is the way it is.
How many of you do 9 hour sectors, back of the clock, 2 pilot then have a 24 hour rest and come back? Or do 8 day trips with 7-8 hour sectors, consecutive 24 hour rests, two pilots, no rest and arriving home at 0530 local time. I do, and so do most guys flying for Qantas competitors. So that is my benchmark.
All this crap that gets put on here complaining about GD and Co's salary and bonuses just highlights how uneducated you guys are about how a corporation runs. Ask the call centre employee who lost his job to someone in india. It is happening all around you, and you guys are in the firing line. GD has been working toward this for years, and you aren't going to stop it by bleating on Pprune.
Rant over.
Having said that, I do wish you guys all the best. I would love to be getting paid as much as you do for doing as little as you do. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out your flying club days are drawing to an end.
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Vorshiit.
Have a look at the going rate for a contract pilot o/s - much more than JQ scabbery is currently bargaining for.
Also what are CX + KA guys getting ? - both airlines doing well.
You have swallowed company propaganda hook line and sinker. GOD has a pathological hatred for his staff. That drives him and nothing else.
Your judgements about our work practices are crap. You have obviously never seen the lines of the B767 or B737 fleets.
The slipping patterns you describe are due to the schedule - not to do with our award.
There is plenty of scope for the company to increase productivity within the CA. They chose not to because they are lasy and it is easier to outsource the work to moaning $cabbs.
I cannot understand why you think it is unnatural for mainline guys and girls to want to protect their T's & C's.
I think you are a management stooge and not even a pilot
Have a look at the going rate for a contract pilot o/s - much more than JQ scabbery is currently bargaining for.
Also what are CX + KA guys getting ? - both airlines doing well.
You have swallowed company propaganda hook line and sinker. GOD has a pathological hatred for his staff. That drives him and nothing else.
Your judgements about our work practices are crap. You have obviously never seen the lines of the B767 or B737 fleets.
The slipping patterns you describe are due to the schedule - not to do with our award.
There is plenty of scope for the company to increase productivity within the CA. They chose not to because they are lasy and it is easier to outsource the work to moaning $cabbs.
I cannot understand why you think it is unnatural for mainline guys and girls to want to protect their T's & C's.
I think you are a management stooge and not even a pilot
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QANTAS are already competing quite successfully on the overseas scene, and showing record profits to prove it.
No-one - but no-one, is worth $6 MILLION dollars + package per year - and especially someone who is yet again forecasting more gloom and doom for the company which from which he receives these outlandish payouts.
It doesn't take an astute individual to cut costs simply but cutting staff numbers.
If he had any talent, I would expect to see a CEO making fine adjustments to improve efficiency of work schedules, and having office deadwood actively working at the coalface, instead of taking extended lunch breaks, running off to the loo every 30 minutes, and generally not being where they are supposed to be (their desks) more than half the time.
QANTAS carries far too much chaff in their offices - chaff that could, in the main, be put on as part time labour and be just as productive as they are now, but paid much less.
There is no shortage of office staff who would jump at the chance to have some permanent temp work.
No-one - but no-one, is worth $6 MILLION dollars + package per year - and especially someone who is yet again forecasting more gloom and doom for the company which from which he receives these outlandish payouts.
It doesn't take an astute individual to cut costs simply but cutting staff numbers.
If he had any talent, I would expect to see a CEO making fine adjustments to improve efficiency of work schedules, and having office deadwood actively working at the coalface, instead of taking extended lunch breaks, running off to the loo every 30 minutes, and generally not being where they are supposed to be (their desks) more than half the time.
QANTAS carries far too much chaff in their offices - chaff that could, in the main, be put on as part time labour and be just as productive as they are now, but paid much less.
There is no shortage of office staff who would jump at the chance to have some permanent temp work.
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Vorsicht,
You just desrcibed the shorthaul award. More efficient that what Jet* and VB work their pilots to.
Guess what? Most who have worked both contracts in QF prefer Shorthaul.
The new gen of QF pilots already live in this new world.
Regarding the shareholders thinking GD is worth his money, been to a SGM? The only way votes for payrises get up at these things is cause the big investors (super funds, big investment firms etc..) are bought off and there sheer volume of votes makes it a done deal. Plenty of the individual shareholders (IE The actual opinion of the owner!!!!) vote down these payrises and have plenty to say about what goes on at the joint.
And obviously the sharemarket isn't rapt by the way things are going (you cant totally blame fuel) cause the shareprice has no pulse. Maybe here the market knows whats really going on to protect the profit and is talking with its wallet.
Next....
You just desrcibed the shorthaul award. More efficient that what Jet* and VB work their pilots to.
Guess what? Most who have worked both contracts in QF prefer Shorthaul.
The new gen of QF pilots already live in this new world.
Regarding the shareholders thinking GD is worth his money, been to a SGM? The only way votes for payrises get up at these things is cause the big investors (super funds, big investment firms etc..) are bought off and there sheer volume of votes makes it a done deal. Plenty of the individual shareholders (IE The actual opinion of the owner!!!!) vote down these payrises and have plenty to say about what goes on at the joint.
And obviously the sharemarket isn't rapt by the way things are going (you cant totally blame fuel) cause the shareprice has no pulse. Maybe here the market knows whats really going on to protect the profit and is talking with its wallet.
Next....
If you are doing an A330 course in dec, you are taking someone elses job and that makes you a scab.
1) - What does it make a person taking a A350, A340, A380, 787, or 777 course for QF ?
2) - What did it make QF A330 drivers when they did line flying with KA and others ?
3) - How many times have I read on here that QF drivers and cabin crew hate the A330 ?
4) - A330 Captains on $187-197/hr and F/O's on AUD$100-$130 / hr, I think that’s more than any other QF fleet apart from the 744.
5) - How many times have I heard they X flies for QF because X mum/dad works for QF and helped him get in, is nepotism taking some one else’s job ?
6) - How many times have I read on here that cadets are taking the job of more experienced pilots already working in the QF group ?
7) - Easterns, Sunnies, National Jet, Skywest or any other airlines pilot would consider that statement to be elitists b/s
8) - No comments of contract pilots and aircraft doing Qantas freight flying around with QF call signs.
9) - Not a peep from mainline when QF set up Jetstar Asia or Thai Air Cargo. QF now have another source for experienced international pilots.
10) - Management know that QF mainline is an easy target, many people in QF sill cannot get over the integration of domestic into international
11) - The pay and conditions rot started when international and domestic pilots within QF were too greedy to see that a unified pay deal was needed across the board years ago so management could used the internal domestic and international pay divide to start lowering conditions internally.
12) - If you cannot get your own internal backyard fixed and sort out the differences between domestic and international pilots, seniority lists and alike, bit rich to start looking over the fence.
13) – APIA is the minority pilot group in Australia, refusal years ago and more recently to let subsidiary airlines to join has made it a minority, minorities are easy targets to be quashed
14) – The people who will pay for this are the F/Os and S/Os, as Jetstar takes away more flying from QF mainline promotions will grind to a proverbial halt
15) – Hope the cockpit situational awareness is better than the industrial one.
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You are almost correct.
It is a shorthaul type award, but in a long haul airline.
There is a significant difference between working your butt off and ending up in the same or similar time zone. Plus i doubt there are many short haul jobs that have 24 hour layovers. More likely they are around 14 hrs which is significantly better for fatigue management than 24 hrs.
That is why most of the pilots prefer short haul.
It is a shorthaul type award, but in a long haul airline.
There is a significant difference between working your butt off and ending up in the same or similar time zone. Plus i doubt there are many short haul jobs that have 24 hour layovers. More likely they are around 14 hrs which is significantly better for fatigue management than 24 hrs.
That is why most of the pilots prefer short haul.
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I agree entirely, which is why I am really disappointed to see the degradation occuring in longhaul.
Quite frankly, crap pay and conditions combined with the personal sacrifice that comes with long haul (like constant jet lag, and if you thinks thats nothing, you wait, missing christmas, school hols, birthdays, easter, weddings, anniversary's etc etc) will make the job totally not worth it.
The guys new to it will think all their christmas' have come at once, until christmas does.
SWH,
1. Lucky
2. Commercial agreement between 2 airlines (what is your point here?)
3. You tell me
4. It should be, it was always classic + 3%
5. Yes it is, when there is a plentiful supply from the existing industries, however looking to the future there will be a cadet system reqd
6. You tell me and i'll agree with the point
7. I don't think so considering they have never had a look in yet J* slide in the back
8. with you on that, I joke those freight guys are probably the highest paid QF pilots anywhere (the silence is deafening eh???)
9. Agreed
10. Agreed, we are dealing with the hard done by's (TN ex dispute) vs The silver spooners (1960 vintage cadets, been in QF since they were 16) Neither are very smart about the future..
11. Agreed see 10
12. Agreed see 10
13. Agreed see 10
14. Agreed, thats me.
15. Definately agree, sometimes wonder....
16. My daughter wants the computer.......
Quite frankly, crap pay and conditions combined with the personal sacrifice that comes with long haul (like constant jet lag, and if you thinks thats nothing, you wait, missing christmas, school hols, birthdays, easter, weddings, anniversary's etc etc) will make the job totally not worth it.
The guys new to it will think all their christmas' have come at once, until christmas does.
SWH,
1. Lucky
2. Commercial agreement between 2 airlines (what is your point here?)
3. You tell me
4. It should be, it was always classic + 3%
5. Yes it is, when there is a plentiful supply from the existing industries, however looking to the future there will be a cadet system reqd
6. You tell me and i'll agree with the point
7. I don't think so considering they have never had a look in yet J* slide in the back
8. with you on that, I joke those freight guys are probably the highest paid QF pilots anywhere (the silence is deafening eh???)
9. Agreed
10. Agreed, we are dealing with the hard done by's (TN ex dispute) vs The silver spooners (1960 vintage cadets, been in QF since they were 16) Neither are very smart about the future..
11. Agreed see 10
12. Agreed see 10
13. Agreed see 10
14. Agreed, thats me.
15. Definately agree, sometimes wonder....
16. My daughter wants the computer.......
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Click here..... and press the PLAY button over on the left.
It's a great little song about the hundreds of low-cost pilots now flourishing in Australian skies.
Do you really get what you pay for??
It's a great little song about the hundreds of low-cost pilots now flourishing in Australian skies.
Do you really get what you pay for??
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"When someone comes along, via the back door, and whispers to the boss he'll do the same for about 1/2, well heck, he IS taking my job."
How many Qantas pilots have been retrenched as a result of Jetstar?
"Each of us has had to tread that same career path without expecting special treatment from those ahead of us."
Exactly what special treatment are pilots employed by Jetstar hoping to receive?
"Have a look at the going rate for a contract pilot o/s - much more than JQ scabbery is currently bargaining for.Also what are CX + KA guys getting ? - both airlines doing well."
The "going rate" overseas will always be higher than Australia in markets such as Asia where locally trained pilots are in short supply. A more accurate yardstick would be to compare salary levels with pilots gaining airline employment in Canada and the US. Their aviation industry is strikingly similar to Australia ˇV especially with regard to the number of experienced pilots available in GA and commuter airlines.
"The slipping patterns you describe are due to the schedule - not to do with our award"
But mostly, when compared to SQ, CX, TG, MH, GF and EK, to name a few, the slipping patterns are a result of totally outdated award provisions.
How many Qantas pilots have been retrenched as a result of Jetstar?
"Each of us has had to tread that same career path without expecting special treatment from those ahead of us."
Exactly what special treatment are pilots employed by Jetstar hoping to receive?
"Have a look at the going rate for a contract pilot o/s - much more than JQ scabbery is currently bargaining for.Also what are CX + KA guys getting ? - both airlines doing well."
The "going rate" overseas will always be higher than Australia in markets such as Asia where locally trained pilots are in short supply. A more accurate yardstick would be to compare salary levels with pilots gaining airline employment in Canada and the US. Their aviation industry is strikingly similar to Australia ˇV especially with regard to the number of experienced pilots available in GA and commuter airlines.
"The slipping patterns you describe are due to the schedule - not to do with our award"
But mostly, when compared to SQ, CX, TG, MH, GF and EK, to name a few, the slipping patterns are a result of totally outdated award provisions.
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Sorry to detract from the thread, but DeBurcs that is the funniest sh1t I have heard in a long time.
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TLayer,
Funniest thing you have heard for a long time?
Where have you been? In the cockpit of a Qantas 747?
I suppose if you were, it probbably is funnier than listening to the captain talk about himself.
Want to know who is the Qantas pilot at a party?
Don't worry, he will tell you......and everybody else!
You guys are unbelievable!
Do you really believe that you are the best and only persons with the ability and right to fly aeorplanes?
Do you really believe that no one can do it better and therefore the world has to pay your price to get safety?
Forgotten about the "nineteenth" at Bangkok?
Boeings are so simple to fly that novices are trained on them every day. Stop the "smoke and mirrors" C-ap.
Airbusses too, you just need French as a second language.
There are hundreds that are better than you and they are coming your way. Make room or get crushed in the stampede.
Unions are important in that they stopped virtual slavery but, your has turned into a cancer that will comsume your very existance.
Too late to cut it out now.
Maybe your should have taken a less "more holly than thou" approach back in 1989.
Time to pay the piper and soon you may not be able to call Australia home. You may have to work for a living like all the others.
Hey, here"s a thought:
You could all get together and tell Dickson that ,if you all take a giant emema, the resulting loss of weight cause by the combined massive expulsion of SH-T would create such a weight reduction that he could increase his cargo capacity on the aircraft.
You could use this as bargaining tool for a wage increase due to increased productivity.
It would have to be some enema, though.
Perhaps one called .............JETSTAR.
Funniest thing you have heard for a long time?
Where have you been? In the cockpit of a Qantas 747?
I suppose if you were, it probbably is funnier than listening to the captain talk about himself.
Want to know who is the Qantas pilot at a party?
Don't worry, he will tell you......and everybody else!
You guys are unbelievable!
Do you really believe that you are the best and only persons with the ability and right to fly aeorplanes?
Do you really believe that no one can do it better and therefore the world has to pay your price to get safety?
Forgotten about the "nineteenth" at Bangkok?
Boeings are so simple to fly that novices are trained on them every day. Stop the "smoke and mirrors" C-ap.
Airbusses too, you just need French as a second language.
There are hundreds that are better than you and they are coming your way. Make room or get crushed in the stampede.
Unions are important in that they stopped virtual slavery but, your has turned into a cancer that will comsume your very existance.
Too late to cut it out now.
Maybe your should have taken a less "more holly than thou" approach back in 1989.
Time to pay the piper and soon you may not be able to call Australia home. You may have to work for a living like all the others.
Hey, here"s a thought:
You could all get together and tell Dickson that ,if you all take a giant emema, the resulting loss of weight cause by the combined massive expulsion of SH-T would create such a weight reduction that he could increase his cargo capacity on the aircraft.
You could use this as bargaining tool for a wage increase due to increased productivity.
It would have to be some enema, though.
Perhaps one called .............JETSTAR.
You guys are so spoilt , you want it all , lucky you were in QF and not Ansett...
If you want more pay and a widebody endorsement go and fly overseas theres lots of jobs and your management know the majority of you will not leave the country so the balls in your court really , and yes many guys will come from o/seas to fly for jet* just to go home they have already made enough cash o?seas and want the good Aussie lifestyle and a flying job so you can whinge all you like , nothing will change unless you change it your self.
You should see what the canadian pilots get paid now ,they would die to fly for VB or Jet*......................................
Careful what you wish for...............
If you want more pay and a widebody endorsement go and fly overseas theres lots of jobs and your management know the majority of you will not leave the country so the balls in your court really , and yes many guys will come from o/seas to fly for jet* just to go home they have already made enough cash o?seas and want the good Aussie lifestyle and a flying job so you can whinge all you like , nothing will change unless you change it your self.
You should see what the canadian pilots get paid now ,they would die to fly for VB or Jet*......................................
Careful what you wish for...............