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yes you are correct relax73, as Pole Vaulter stated, the aero club has no service so no need to employ experienced people that know what they are doing, all is needed is enough brain power to keep the vital organs functioning, anything else will result in a dangerous meltdown.
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Hey Pole Smoker,
So why didn't QANTAS take them then?
You obviously have an extreme dislike for VB, for whatever reason, so you grab hold of any negative press to push your own agenda.
So how many burning wrecks did they evacuate passengers from in their long careers at ANSETT? I will hazard a guess here and say NONE.
So what vast experience were they going to bring to VB? Realistically, nothing more than anybody who has been previously employed in the hospitality industry.
The employment process by definition is discriminatory. You choose some people over others, there are winners and there are losers. You deal with it, accept the verdict, and move on.
I am sure that everybody here has at sometime been unsuccessful at an interview, but we didn't subsequently take the potential employer to court. The employer should have the right to decide who works for them, and who does not.
Get over it!
Thank god we still have Qantas now that Ansett is gone.
You obviously have an extreme dislike for VB, for whatever reason, so you grab hold of any negative press to push your own agenda.
The girls rejected were a cross section of people with one thing in common. heaps of experience
So what vast experience were they going to bring to VB? Realistically, nothing more than anybody who has been previously employed in the hospitality industry.
The employment process by definition is discriminatory. You choose some people over others, there are winners and there are losers. You deal with it, accept the verdict, and move on.
I am sure that everybody here has at sometime been unsuccessful at an interview, but we didn't subsequently take the potential employer to court. The employer should have the right to decide who works for them, and who does not.
Get over it!
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You obviously have not been around long enough to know much about airline history NG. AN as well as QF have had many emergency evactuations. I happened to be on duty one Sat morning here in BNE when B727 ANA blew an engine just after rotation and was still on fire when it landed. So dont make statements that you have little knowledge of. I could go on with many others and fortunately no one in any of them suffered serious injury. As to QF taking them well QF has in fact taken many of the AN people as they at least saw the experience and were not a bit concerned if they fitted into a size 8 outfit. I dont have to get over anything sport. Just cant stand such a tacky outfit that everything has some sexual aspect. The name of the inflight rag, The tea and coffee coming in a mug with "hot Stuff" on it and on it goes. Notice how no spokesperson at the aero club will state how many over 35 F/As they have. Seems they know exactly the total number but cant remember how many "old ones" Seems it will be less damming to say I cant remember than to say one or two.
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You obviously have not been around long enough to know much about airline history NG. AN as well as QF have had many emergency evactuations.
I happened to be on duty one Sat morning here in BNE when B727 ANA blew an engine just after rotation and was still on fire when it landed.
I still say that the employer has the right to employ whoever it chooses, and that they should not be dictated to by the person applying for the position.
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Yes quite right Vaulter, VB is an airline for the boofheads and smart allecs, if Branson could get away with it they would be topless in latex boots with whips.
There is no doubt that NG would go and see a Dr. Death as was up in Bundaburg as you don't need experience in any job you undertake it seems...but how they love to state they are equal opportunity employers, its just some are more equal than others in the process.
There is no doubt that NG would go and see a Dr. Death as was up in Bundaburg as you don't need experience in any job you undertake it seems...but how they love to state they are equal opportunity employers, its just some are more equal than others in the process.
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I still say that the employer has the right to employ whoever it chooses
From the outset, DJ did not want any "baggage" from AN. They grabbed a token amount so that it wasn't too obvious but I think, in general, their plans were for a whole new "mould" of staff. This, in itself, isn't a bad thing but, if you advertise for positions that people are suitably qualified for, you have to expect that the suitably qualified people will question the reasoning for their missing out. Don't forget, there was a glut of qualified staff available at the time.
Regardless of whether an employer should have a right to pick who they want, the laws of the land decrees that they are not allowed to discriminate. It was good enough for the court to determine that they had discriminated, hence the verdict.
Experience is a funny word isn't it? Many interpretations, many variations, you need experience to determine the meaning of experience! If you need to have evacuated a "burning wreck" to be considered experienced then I imagine there are very few pilots you would consider to be any good in a similar emergency. How many cars have you totalled? I've totalled one and done serious damage to about a dozen others, does that make me a more experienced driver? Want a lift?
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Yet another bunch of self righteous crap from the bitter and twisted, post-modern feminist movement.
Like it or not and rightly or wrongly, from the dawn of the first airlines, hosties or flight attendants or whatever you want to call them have been synonymous with youthful good looks. And seeing as these 35+-ers have a wealth of experience, chances are that they too got their jobs with Ansett in they days when they were young and good looking, getting them over some other discriminee who missed out because THEY were 35 and not so good looking, albeit experienced.
May be if you all go and blockade parliament house, jump and and down while repeatedly screaming 'I'm old, I'm haggerd, I'm ugly and it's JUST NOT FAIR', then someone will listen to you. At very least, i'm sure you'll find that a whole lot of three year olds can relate to your strategy.
Like it or not and rightly or wrongly, from the dawn of the first airlines, hosties or flight attendants or whatever you want to call them have been synonymous with youthful good looks. And seeing as these 35+-ers have a wealth of experience, chances are that they too got their jobs with Ansett in they days when they were young and good looking, getting them over some other discriminee who missed out because THEY were 35 and not so good looking, albeit experienced.
May be if you all go and blockade parliament house, jump and and down while repeatedly screaming 'I'm old, I'm haggerd, I'm ugly and it's JUST NOT FAIR', then someone will listen to you. At very least, i'm sure you'll find that a whole lot of three year olds can relate to your strategy.
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I went for a job once and was told that I was over qualified and that I would get bored in the job I applied for. Maybe I wanted to get bored!!
How many old farts have you seen aksing you if you'd like fries with that or behind the counter at Sanity Music, Just Jeans ( basically anywhere they are after the ultra cool youth market). Why aren't they getting sued? Strikes me as hypocritical that they get one employer but not another.
I went to a VB assessment day and noticed that they watch you from the point you walk into the foyer, register, mingle with the other applicants and during the actual assessment. Does it then make sense that if theses ladies showed any negative indicators from walking in and during the assessment that they should have got the job. Sounds to me as if they walked in their with the attitude that because I have experience then I will be hired, no matter what. A job interview is an overall assessment of all skills pssessed, wether it be experience, attitude or interaction with other people. Sounds to me like these ladies maybe only had one of theses things covered.
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How many old farts have you seen aksing you if you'd like fries with that or behind the counter at Sanity Music, Just Jeans ( basically anywhere they are after the ultra cool youth market). Why aren't they getting sued? Strikes me as hypocritical that they get one employer but not another.
I went to a VB assessment day and noticed that they watch you from the point you walk into the foyer, register, mingle with the other applicants and during the actual assessment. Does it then make sense that if theses ladies showed any negative indicators from walking in and during the assessment that they should have got the job. Sounds to me as if they walked in their with the attitude that because I have experience then I will be hired, no matter what. A job interview is an overall assessment of all skills pssessed, wether it be experience, attitude or interaction with other people. Sounds to me like these ladies maybe only had one of theses things covered.
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Sexual Chocolate .... very well said!
It amazes me that those whining and sooking the most are those that were either rejected at some stage or are the ones that will bore you to tears with stories of the "good old days"
Does anyone remember when flight attendants had to be single????? Immagine trying that on for size today!
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It amazes me that those whining and sooking the most are those that were either rejected at some stage or are the ones that will bore you to tears with stories of the "good old days"
Does anyone remember when flight attendants had to be single????? Immagine trying that on for size today!
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Wow, I have never been called a self righteous bitter and twisted post-modern feminist before, I love it!, errr yes, when they joined Ansett they were young a beautiful as well, and if TAA wanted some the opportunity was the same, and yes some did not get in, but what they had in common was that they all had the same experience when they applied....NONE.
Now I wonder if a major airline had fallen over and had around 2,500 F/A's available and were looking for a job and Ansett and TAA was recruiting, how would that have be handled at that time, so I hope you never get old as you are coming up for a rude awakening.
The difference between you Sexual Chocolate and the rejected ex AN girls is that they got to that age first, wish you luck when you get old, you'll be amazed how quickly it will happen.
Now I wonder if a major airline had fallen over and had around 2,500 F/A's available and were looking for a job and Ansett and TAA was recruiting, how would that have be handled at that time, so I hope you never get old as you are coming up for a rude awakening.
The difference between you Sexual Chocolate and the rejected ex AN girls is that they got to that age first, wish you luck when you get old, you'll be amazed how quickly it will happen.
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There's a thread going on about this in the CC forum as well. I won't repeat what I said there, but I agree with this:
They could have done any number of things to be elimanted from the process. Walk wrong, sit wrong, say something inappropriate to the person who happens to be the company plan amongst the applicants - it can all get you booted.
I suspected that I wasn't successful with Emirates because I'm not of the "look" they are after - yet I'm not suing them. Yeah I was pissed off, but hey, I can't say for sure that was it. I could have done any number of things that meant I got the cut from the (second) round... I might even have breathed wrong for all I know!!
The point about experience being all good - in my opinion that is incorrect. Sometimes experienced people (especially those who spend a long time with any one company) become ingrained with the 'ways of doing things' that may not be compatible (in the perception of) the company doing the hiring.
Accept it and move on. If I applied for a job I didn't get, I'd be inclined to think perhaps it was because either a) i wasn't qualified or b) they obviously felt that someone else was MORE qualified than me (and by 'qualified' I don't just mean having done the job before) There's a lot more to it than that....!
Does it then make sense that if these ladies showed any negative indicators from walking in and during the assessment that they should have got the job. Sounds to me as if they walked in their with the attitude that because I have experience then I will be hired, no matter what. A job interview is an overall assessment of all skills pssessed, wether it be experience, attitude or interaction with other people. Sounds to me like these ladies maybe only had one of theses things covered.
I suspected that I wasn't successful with Emirates because I'm not of the "look" they are after - yet I'm not suing them. Yeah I was pissed off, but hey, I can't say for sure that was it. I could have done any number of things that meant I got the cut from the (second) round... I might even have breathed wrong for all I know!!
The point about experience being all good - in my opinion that is incorrect. Sometimes experienced people (especially those who spend a long time with any one company) become ingrained with the 'ways of doing things' that may not be compatible (in the perception of) the company doing the hiring.
Accept it and move on. If I applied for a job I didn't get, I'd be inclined to think perhaps it was because either a) i wasn't qualified or b) they obviously felt that someone else was MORE qualified than me (and by 'qualified' I don't just mean having done the job before) There's a lot more to it than that....!
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Buzzy, you mean to say this is the only time I have made any sense at all? Bit rich for someone whose vocabulary mainly consists of "z"s 
Tis true though, you don't hear of say, someone applying for a modelling job suing because they weren't "attractive enough". Models know that often different clients want different 'looks' or different types of people. While FA's shouldn't be hired solely on looks, most reasonable applicants expect that looks will play some part in the process.
(Oh sorry, was that too logical for you?
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Tis true though, you don't hear of say, someone applying for a modelling job suing because they weren't "attractive enough". Models know that often different clients want different 'looks' or different types of people. While FA's shouldn't be hired solely on looks, most reasonable applicants expect that looks will play some part in the process.
(Oh sorry, was that too logical for you?
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Sorry Sis, crossed wires there. I meant a nice change from the usual bleeding hearts that disagree with a companies right to employ their own staff.
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No worries 
Yes I think companies have a right to choose staff as you say - to a point, and as long as they can back up their decision with reasons.
For example, I have no idea why Virgin didn't just say they didn't think ANsett experience was suited to their company, if that was their reason for not hiring those ladies. Then again, that answer probably would have got them sued as well. You just can't win in today's litigation-happy society. Gone are the days when you said "I didn't get the job, what a pity, maybe I'll try some persistence and try again...."
Yes I think companies have a right to choose staff as you say - to a point, and as long as they can back up their decision with reasons.
For example, I have no idea why Virgin didn't just say they didn't think ANsett experience was suited to their company, if that was their reason for not hiring those ladies. Then again, that answer probably would have got them sued as well. You just can't win in today's litigation-happy society. Gone are the days when you said "I didn't get the job, what a pity, maybe I'll try some persistence and try again...."