ATC Staff Shortage set to bite
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What is the package that Airways controllers are on?
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tennis - please elaborate on your statements regarding Airways NZ pay and conditions. Can't say I've heard the same (or even vaguely similar) from contacts in the Land of the Long White Cloud.
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I'll go and chase down a contract to be current but from the contract previous, you got things like: work a public holiday you get paid double time and then get a day-in-lieu added to your leave. You get travel allowance, meal money etc on recalls. If you work a recall on a public holiday you get double time and a day-in-lieu. You get about 6 weeks annual leave as well as accumulating about 8 to 12 DILS a year which you can take just like leave or add to your leave but you get paid slightly less than annual leave. Generally a 4 on 2 off roster starting late in the afternoon and work through to morning shifts with doggos every 3rd or 4th cycle depending on job description. No more than 7.5 hours a shift and you rarely do that as it is.
I think they now get a sabbatical whereby numbers permitting you get approval to leave the company and work somewhere else for 3 to 5 years then come back and get you old job back at that same pay level. Stuff like that. And the relationship between staff and management although never perfect is a damn site better than what gets mentioned around other places. There has been alot of work behind the scenes after industrial action back in '95 - '96. Anyway it's not bad compared to alot from my sources. Can always be better though as we all know.
I think they now get a sabbatical whereby numbers permitting you get approval to leave the company and work somewhere else for 3 to 5 years then come back and get you old job back at that same pay level. Stuff like that. And the relationship between staff and management although never perfect is a damn site better than what gets mentioned around other places. There has been alot of work behind the scenes after industrial action back in '95 - '96. Anyway it's not bad compared to alot from my sources. Can always be better though as we all know.
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I' m not sure what you mean BELKO.....
The salary offer to experienced controllers is about 20k to 25k higher than what they offer to ASA controllers when starting off, about 80k to 85k and goes right into the 110k to 120k+. Tax is less than Oz but cost of living a little higher.
There are jobs going at the moment.
The salary offer to experienced controllers is about 20k to 25k higher than what they offer to ASA controllers when starting off, about 80k to 85k and goes right into the 110k to 120k+. Tax is less than Oz but cost of living a little higher.
There are jobs going at the moment.
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Tennis. I am in Oz. The Kiwi deal is no better than Oz when you look at the big picture. It reminds me of when people heard that the Poms were making 50000 pounds plus back when the exchange was in the 30 and thinking they got more than us even though a house cost 4 trillion pounds.
Also with the guys in the sand pit and their 80K tax free when the $US was in the 40s exchange wise. Both deals suck really. All of those extras are the same as here except the DIL if you work a p/h on top of the 2X.
Add to this that you have to live in kiwi and the deal gets worse.
Canadian deal? Been there. Same as but cold.
The real bucks are in Europe and those who have the right passport and enough anger should go. I myself am over all of it and just take their money and give absolutely nothing back.
I have done a raft of various projects over the years but no more. I just enjoy my life and that life is not working at that joint when I am not required or have other things going on. That is where I go to get cash to live my aforementioned life. The sooner people realise this, the sooner AsA realise that their goodwill is gone.
Also with the guys in the sand pit and their 80K tax free when the $US was in the 40s exchange wise. Both deals suck really. All of those extras are the same as here except the DIL if you work a p/h on top of the 2X.
Add to this that you have to live in kiwi and the deal gets worse.
Canadian deal? Been there. Same as but cold.
The real bucks are in Europe and those who have the right passport and enough anger should go. I myself am over all of it and just take their money and give absolutely nothing back.
I have done a raft of various projects over the years but no more. I just enjoy my life and that life is not working at that joint when I am not required or have other things going on. That is where I go to get cash to live my aforementioned life. The sooner people realise this, the sooner AsA realise that their goodwill is gone.
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UK salaries
Hey plazbot...
may be time to blow the dust off that pink passport old son!
Controllers in the UK working for NATS are now on about 72,000 sterling. I'll let the maths freaks multiply that by 2.5 for the right amount!
Yes I know how much housing is...yada yada yada
The real bucks for SAVING is in the Middle East.
may be time to blow the dust off that pink passport old son!
Controllers in the UK working for NATS are now on about 72,000 sterling. I'll let the maths freaks multiply that by 2.5 for the right amount!
Yes I know how much housing is...yada yada yada
The real bucks for SAVING is in the Middle East.
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The real problem for Aussies coming home is the jealous little juveniles in HR. They simply can't understand why an ATC should earn more than them.
HR = the new empire builders in Airservices. One just has to see them sipping thier lattes in the canteen to see how hard they work. The green monster has got a hold of them good.
HR = the new empire builders in Airservices. One just has to see them sipping thier lattes in the canteen to see how hard they work. The green monster has got a hold of them good.
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may be time to blow the dust off that pink passport old son!
Although, a nice posting to a tower/approach unit in Scotland does have it's appeal (apart from Aberdeen.........it smells of fish). You'll not be earning 70k plus up there, but standard of living certainly is much nicer than down south.
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Just as the Emeratis here refer to Israel as Occupied Palestine in the newspapers, I guess you could say Belfast is in Occupied Ireland.
Ok ready to duck some very big rocks being thrown my way.
Ok ready to duck some very big rocks being thrown my way.
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Last I looked, Belfast was in Ireland. Just happensto be in the Northern part.
Now if I had said Eire, I might have been technically incorrect. ( at least that's what the Christian Brothers taught me)
Now if I had said Eire, I might have been technically incorrect. ( at least that's what the Christian Brothers taught me)
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OK DP.
I double dog dare you to go and stand out the front of Belfast Aldergrove Airport with a big sign that says "Belfast is in Ireland"......... you see what happens
I double dog dare you to go and stand out the front of Belfast Aldergrove Airport with a big sign that says "Belfast is in Ireland"......... you see what happens
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Jerricho, Are you insane? That's why my ancestors left the emerald isle. Get away from that religious and territory ****e. (although Mrs DP still has her great uncle's Sinn Fein membership framed on the wall).
I'll not inflame or incite a riot about NI with going on about it anymore lad. To be sure, to be sure.
I'll not inflame or incite a riot about NI with going on about it anymore lad. To be sure, to be sure.
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Well my friend Sweet Jay took me to that video arcade in town, right, and they don't speak English there, so Jay got into a fight and he's all, "Hey quit hasslin' me cuz' I don't speak French" or whatever! And then the guy said something in Paris talk, and I'm like, "Just back off!" And they're all, "Get out!" And we're like, "Make me!" It was cool.